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[Sable Rhapsody]

Sialater wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

jadefishes wrote...

But dammit if DA2's gaps don't leave so much room for playing around, and fanfic is simply less stressful to me because I don't beat myself up if it isn't "just right."

That's pretty much what I'm doing--filling in the gaps.  Though I am working on a fair amount of post-Gallows fanfiction too.  The idea of Hawke and Anders running off together as crazy apostate revolutionaries is too delicious to pass up.

I'd play with that... but I don't like venturing into AU territory.  And anything I place after that is bound to be AU.

True.  I've been keeping it rather vague--within Varric's 3 year timespan after DA2, mostly focusing on the characters and their interactions rather than plot.  But I'm pretty sure my Hawke and Anders' rather violent confrontation with Seb is AU.  And honestly, I'm good with that 

[dpMeggers]

 Ugh. Teen!Carver is being pigheaded. He won't cooperate with me. Bethany and Mother are being wonderful but Carver keeps wanting to do his own thing. He's being too stubborn to let me write him! 

[Sialater]

Sounds like he's in character.

I bit the bullet and put something small on AO3. It's DA:O though, not DA2.

http://archiveofouro...rg/works/191565

[dpMeggers]

True, but that's not especially helpful when I'm trying to write him. I think I finally got a grasp on him though: Chapter 5 and Chapter 6 of my fic are Carver heavy. Or as Carver heavy as I can get anyway. It's such a shame, I love Carver as a resentful little brat of a brother, he's such an awesome character, but my canon Hawke is a rogue. I hate killing him off.

And Sia, that's why romance in DA:O is fatally doomed no matter what. Either you love a Warden who has to off himself/leave you to be king/run off into exile/knock up another woman/watch you off yourself, or you love someone who has to watch you march off to your death. Being a Warden/loving a Warden sucks.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 27 avril 2011 - 06:42 .

[Sialater]

dpMeggers wrote...

True, but that's not especially helpful when I'm trying to write him. I think I finally got a grasp on him though: Chapter 5 and Chapter 6 of my fic are Carver heavy. Or as Carver heavy as I can get anyway. It's such a shame, I love Carver as a resentful little brat of a brother, he's such an awesome character, but my canon Hawke is a rogue. I hate killing him off.

And Sia, that's why romance in DA:O is fatally doomed no matter what. Either you love a Warden who has to off himself/leave you to be king/run off into exile/knock up another woman/watch you off yourself, or you love someone who has to watch you march off to your death. Being a Warden/loving a Warden sucks.

Yes, but it makes for great angst fic.

[Quasar7]

Any idea how long it would take to go by ship from Kirkwall to Minrathous? How long by foot? I suppose I should just make something up and leave it vague, but instead I've wasted my morning looking through wiki's and googling instead of writing...

Oh, and are there no horses in Thedas? I realized I've never seen any. So are the only travel options by ship or by foot?

For some reason, I have no problem extrapolating about characters, but I get nervous when I need to make up anything about the world for fear that it will be wrong.

[LupusYondergirl]

There are plenty of horses in the books. Per word of god, horse animations are complex and expensive, and they were left from the game since the decision was that money was better spent otherwise.

[jackkel dragon]

Horses exist, as they were in one of the novels. As for Kirkwall to Minrathous, I believe I posted a map of Thedas either here or in the DAO thread.

Basically, I'd recommend "by foot" unless something is blocking that way. From Kirkwall, you'd have to wave to the Qunari in Seheron and make a pit stop at Rivain before you got halfway to Minrathous. By foot it's just straight to the city unless you want to bypass the darkspawn-tainted Silent Plains.

Edit: This thread must be slow, my map linky is on the previous page. Re-posted here:

Map of Thedas

...After seeing the map again, I can safely say I never want to go from Kirkwall to Minrathous by boat.

Modifié par jackkel dragon, 30 avril 2011 - 06:35 .

[dpMeggers]

Yeah, I might take a boat from Kirkwall to Ayesleigh in Rivain, and then hoof it from there to the nearest port in Tevinter where I would take a second ship to Minrathous. No way I'd go by ship the whole way there. (No I havn't thought about this at all...why do you ask?)

Which admittedly doesn't help in how long it would take to get there. It was 2 weeks from Gwaren to Kirkwall right? I'd say the distance from Kirkwall to Minrathous is at least 4 times that, so maybe 2 months?

[Quasar7]

Thank you all! I did not know there were novels... I may have to check these out!

@Jackkel Dragon, thank you for the map! It is very helpful, but less so for judging time/distances traveled without knowing the scale of things.  I agree, going cross-country does seem to be the best choice, if there is nothing too dangerous or impassable in between.

I suppose the slavers and Denarius were going by boat because it is easier to keep slaves from escaping that way? I thought to have the company pursuing Denarius by ship, since Isabella has one at this point and one would have to cross most of the Imperium to reach Minrathous. Now the question is, is that logical? Or do I rewrite that chapter and have them set out on foot/horseback?

Edit: How do you have links to your fanfiction in your signature?  When I tried adding a link to mine, it would not show.  Sorry for so many questions! 

Modifié par Quasar7, 30 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Your banners are too big. Signature height is limited, anything extra just gets chopped off.

[Quasar7]

@LupusYondergirl, thank you again! 

I am having an angsty writer day... 

[dpMeggers]

It occurred to me today, looking at the (admittedly malleable) outline that I have set up for my fic, that I have at least 30 more chapters that are waiting to be written, along with 3 chapters I have planned for my side-along fic. Has anyone else ever felt like they've set themselves up with a task just this side of impossible? Or is it just me?

[jackkel dragon]

I did something similar with a DAO fic. When I was lagging on motivation, I checked my outline to see a minimum of 20 more chapters that take a week each. That's if I took the lazy way out and just narrated the game in abridged fashion. That didn't go over well with my sanity.

Said project is currently on "indefinate hold." ;p (Maybe I'll get back to it, but I must have been sleep-deprived when I came up with the idea.)

[dpMeggers]

Sadly I'm very stubborn, and will probably struggle to finish this thing even if it takes me until forever. Granted it's also a very good excuse for another playthrough as my canon Hawke. Research and all that you know?

[Sable Rhapsody]

dpMeggers wrote...

It occurred to me today, looking at the (admittedly malleable) outline that I have set up for my fic, that I have at least 30 more chapters that are waiting to be written, along with 3 chapters I have planned for my side-along fic. Has anyone else ever felt like they've set themselves up with a task just this side of impossible? Or is it just me?

This is why I write one-shots or set myself a hard limit of chapters.  And I STILL can't work up the energy to finish Atlas.

[jackkel dragon]

I have only recently discovered the wonder of one-shots and returned to writting short stories. Much easier to finish, and I don't forget what the theme and purpose of the story is supposed to be.

[dpMeggers]

Sadly, like Anders (who will figure prominantly in my fic...eventually) I occasionally lack foresight. But I have managed to write 10 chapters in my main fic (some of which I'm less proud of than others) and another 4 for my side-along fic. And I've never written fanfiction before. Somehow it's both harder and easier than I was expecting.

[Sialater]

I think whatever I do next, I will outline first. If only for the practice. Writing the fic-novels by the seat of my pants is.... daunting.

[LupusYondergirl]

FYI- the new characters are up on ffnet

[Laraine]

I just wanted to leave a note about proofing your work. These are two lessons I've learned from other writers that are still immensely helpful.
1. When your piece is complete to your mind, walk away from it for at least 24 hours (longer if you can stand it) before doing a final proofread. We all tend to get emotionally invested in our work, which means we don't always see the words as much as we feel our intent, and that can allow us to skip over things that may need to be fixed.
2. Read your work out loud. This may feel a bit silly at times, but you will find that anything that feels awkward when you say it will also look awkward to a reader. This is focussed more on phrasing and sentence structure than it is on overall editing; read sections of your work seperately to focus on how the words sound rather than the overal plotlines etc.

I hope the above are helpful to other writers out there! It really is a kind of compulstion isn't it - when an idea gets into your brain it won't always let go until its written somewhere. Thanks for the thread as well. Its always good to hear from fellow weavers of words.

Modifié par Laraine, 05 mai 2011 - 06:25 .

[thebrute7]

Laraine wrote...

I just wanted to leave a note about proofing your work. These are two lessons I've learned from other writers that are still immensely helpful.
1. When your piece is complete to your mind, walk away from it for at least 24 hours (longer if you can stand it) before doing a final proofread. We all tend to get emotionally invested in our work, which means we don't always see the words as much as we feel our intent, and that can allow us to skip over things that may need to be fixed.
2. Read your work out loud. This may feel a bit silly at times, but you will find that anything that feels awkward when you say it will also look awkward to a reader. This is focussed more on phrasing and sentence structure than it is on overall editing; read sections of your work seperately to focus on how the words sound rather than the overal plotlines etc.

I hope the above are helpful to other writers out there! It really is a kind of compulstion isn't it - when an idea gets into your brain it won't always let go until its written somewhere. Thanks for the thread as well. Its always good to hear from fellow weavers of words.

I just recently figured this one out.  It's so true.  Looking back at my stuff it is obvious the ones that I wrote on the fly and the ones that I proofed a couple times first.

[dpMeggers]

@ Laraine. I don't wait that long. Usually 2 or 3 hours, but I always do a double-readthrough, wait another hour or so and then do a third readthrough. So I have parts of my work that have been written 3 or 4 times before I'm mostly satisfied with them.

@ thebrute7, the first...oh 7or 8 chapters of my fic didn't have an outline, because they were pre-game and up to the arrival in Kirkwall and thus really linear. After that I had to stop and think because a LOT of stuff happens in the game, so I had to work out which quests happened in which order, which ones I was going to write about explicitly rather than just mention etc. It helped just to have an idea of how everything was going to work out. Whether or not I stick to my outline...well we'll see.

[thebrute7]

dpMeggers wrote...

@ Laraine. I don't wait that long. Usually 2 or 3 hours, but I always do a double-readthrough, wait another hour or so and then do a third readthrough. So I have parts of my work that have been written 3 or 4 times before I'm mostly satisfied with them.

@ thebrute7, the first...oh 7or 8 chapters of my fic didn't have an outline, because they were pre-game and up to the arrival in Kirkwall and thus really linear. After that I had to stop and think because a LOT of stuff happens in the game, so I had to work out which quests happened in which order, which ones I was going to write about explicitly rather than just mention etc. It helped just to have an idea of how everything was going to work out. Whether or not I stick to my outline...well we'll see.

I understand totally.  I hadn't updated my fic for quite a while because I had to get an outline ready.  I hadn't really realized how many things happen so quickly in the game.

[LupusYondergirl]

I have the worst writing habits. I skim over everything in word, skim again in the ffnet document editor, and post. Usually within moments of finishing the chapter.