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[Flamin Jesus]

Lord ****zu wrote...

FRZN wrote...

more importantly than all that, do they make orgasm faces? Is it creepier if they don't?

Do they have orgasms?

And if they do, it's definitely creepier if they don't make them.

God, and I didn't think a forum could actually make me laugh out loud in front of my screen anymore, you sent this hilarious picture straight into my poor brain.

[RunCDFirst]

You ever notice how everything ends up being about sex?



My opinion (for what it's worth): Can they have sex? Probably. Do they have sex? Probably not.



I mean, what other motivation is there if not for the pleasure? They probably don't even have the desire to procreate and raise children.

[Flamin Jesus]

We're a bunch of video gamers, notice how I didn't say rockstars or pimps, of course everything ends up being about sex.



I suppose they could procreate if they really felt the need for some reason, otherwise I don't exactly see them as the live of the party...

[Lord Shitzu]

RunCDFirst wrote...

You ever notice how everything ends up being about sex?

My opinion (for what it's worth): Can they have sex? Probably. Do they have sex? Probably not.

I mean, what other motivation is there if not for the pleasure? They probably don't even have the desire to procreate and raise children.

Right, but the thing is, sounds like the consensus is that they do feel pleasure (and pain) but I guess they just.... feel indifferent about it? I don't know.

[GmanFresh]

that would surely be interesting

[Draguling]

Do lobotomised people have sex?

[LaztRezort]

Draguling wrote...

Do lobotomised people have sex?

As far as I remember (it's been awhile since psych classes):  yes, some patients have lived somewhat normal lives after being subjected to the procedure.  Most patients, however, are completely incapacitated by a lobotomy, can only babble, can't go to the bathroom by themselves, etc.  Basically its a case of severe brain damage, and effects can vary from person to person.

I think becomming Tranquil is something entirely different (although lobotomy has been used as an analogy).  The tranquil seem to still have most higher brain functions, just a reduced sense of emotion.  I believe the Lore refers to it being cut off from the Fade.  I wonder if being cut from the Fade causes you to loose emotions (as a side effect), or if it is vice versa:  something fundamental (emotions?) is wiped from the mind, which makes it impossible to contact the fade.

[sylkwyrm1]

i guess the procedure removes their "hopes and dfreams" i doubt being cut off from the fade removes emotion, more like removing emotion cuts them off from the fade



dwarves seem very emotional and terrifyingly horny and they cannot enter the fade

[Count Viceroy]

That's due to natural resistance to lyrium thought(I think?). It's not the same as disabling one's emotions artificially.

[sylkwyrm1]

lyrium is used to enter the fade when awake, everyone enters it when they sleep without the use of lyrium, except dwarves, who cannot enter it

EDIT: though i've never seen an answer as to whether dwarves actually do dream but just ..uh.. remain in thier own heads, and i've never taken oghren to the circle tower, does anyone know if he haa a nightmare with the sloth demon if you take him there? *get's his trowel and looks around for his bucket of plot-hole-filler*

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 20 novembre 2009 - 06:59 .

[Element CL]

"i have completed orgasm, you may get out of my bed and go home now, thank you."

[AgnosticTheocrat]

 Well, the real world examples of people with similar conditions suggest that Tranquils would not have sex. The three disorders which are generally thought of as a deficiency in emotion are "Blunted Affect", where the shows no sign of emotion, Autism, a neurological disorder in which the individual is unable to effectively comprehend social interactions, or Psychopathy, when the person lacks empathy or compassion and thus the intrinsic understanding of emotional states.



Blunted Affect is generally a symptom, something observed and reported rather than a specific disorder. It can be caused by a wide range of things, but is typically a result of brain damage. It also lies along a spectrum, meaning individuals suffering from Blunted Affect can either be those who display everything from slightly subdued emotional response to people who lack even the desire for communication. It is almost invariably true that those who suffer from all but the mildest forms of Blunted Affect are typically asexual by preference, though more moderate cases may engage in sex to please a partner and bring themselves what minor emotional satisfaction that can bring. However, Blunted Affect to the level that Tranquils would likely find familiar would almost certainly render the individual almost catatonic with disinterest.



As far as Psychopathy is concerned, it is unlikely that Tranquils suffer from this particular disorder. First, Psychopaths are not necessarily without emotion, though this is certainly the case to some extent. Instead, they lack the ability to empathize with people. Furthermore, Psychopathy is generally understood to contain an element of profound egotism and thus ambition. This can take many forms, but generally Psychopaths are entirely interested in their own goals, such as they may be, to the complete exclusion of anyone else's emotions or concerns.

This does not necessarily imply sadism; Psychopaths merely lack the ability to empathize, they do not necessarily have any desire to cause pain or harm to others. Psychopaths willingly manipulate, lie, steal, or hurt insofar as such things can fulfill their desires, but they might also help people if doing so somehow fulfills their purposes. Furthermore, Psychopaths, being driven by intense egotism, often develop effective means of mimicking normal emotional behavior. Think Dexter Morgan, but not necessarily with the desire to kill. Psychopaths can have intense desire for sexual gratification, particularly when couple with other psychological disorders like sadism. All in all, it is highly unlikely Tranquils are in any way similar to Psychopaths.

Autism seems the most likely candidate. Within Autism is a disorder known as "Alexithymia." This disorder is characterized by the complete inability to even verbalize one's own emotional state. While not necessarily without emotion completely, someone with Alexithymia is unable to differentiate between different emotional states, thus rendering them effectively without emotion. Oftentimes, those with Alexithymia will approach life from an almost robotic state of analysis. Even their dreams take on a mundane character, merely recounting normal events such as going to the grocery store. 

Those with Alexithymia, like Psychopaths, are generally incapable of empathy or engaging in meaningful relationships. Unlike Psychopaths, people suffering from Alexithymia do not have the intense drive of egotism to propel them to commit antisocial behavior. Likewise, like Blunted Affect, Alexithymia is a dimming of all emotional responses, yet Alexithymia does not dampen the individual will to live or other smaller ambitions.

Tranquils seem to me to be mildly Autistic and suffering from severe Alexithymia, this coupled with the drive to obey the orders of the Circle. In general, those with Alexithymia have little sex drive, though they are not bothered or disgusted by it. As a result, typical sexual interactions result from the desires of their partner, whom they simply follow the lead of.

All of this is a very long way of saying that I would assume a Tranquil would be more than capable of sex, but I doubt they would engage in it without an explicit order. We've seen that Tranquils have preferences, and they certainly at least have a compulsion to follow the will of the Magi. Likewise, sexual gratification has biological effects on the body that emotion plays little role in. The oxytocin and other chemicals released during sex compel the body far more than emotional attachment (itself a chemical response, but that's neither here nor there since clearly Tranquils lack that chemical response)

Long story short, Tranquils almost certainly can have sex, it's just unlikely that they do have sex.

[menasure]

they're like robot servants so i think they would obey a general "reproduce to have more recruits" order from the circle of mages but they would not feel a biological urge to do it.

[Lukertin]

menasure wrote...
they're like robot servants so i think they would obey a general "reproduce to have more recruits" order from the circle of mages but they would not feel a biological urge to do it.

Not sure what you mean by this...humans ( and many mammals by extension of the similarity of our brain chemistry) have sex primarily because it is pleasurable.  Insects and reptiles feel a 'biological' urge to do it.  Humans have overriding motivations and restrictive behavior controls.  Generally speaking, things which are pleasurable make you happy, which is why people engage in pleasurable activities.

Since the Tranquil cannot feel happy, they would lack motivation to do things which would result in making them feel happy.

However, they don't have emotions, but it does seem to me that they do feel the physical results of stress (elevated heart rate, etc., due to epinephrine release), while lacking the standard emotional response, which would make them aware of unpleasantness.  Going forth, maybe they have sex to reduce stress levels.

[Memengwa]

I think that tranquils can have sex, and probadly either do it with others (or to themselves). You don't need emotions to have sex, but for us, people with emotions it's a big part of it. Sex is in it's most basic form, a physical need after all. You breath, you eat, you go to the bathroom, and you have sex. And as crude as it sounds, for a tranquil it would probably be at the same level.

[Thekratos]

Hmm wonder if they fear sex aswell....