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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

So...everyone that gives this game a bad review should be arrested?

Yikes.

[Ingrimm22]

Solo80 wrote...

So I'm guessing the OP no longer stands for the views expressed in this thread? I'll give him this - when he stands for something, he stands for it 100%. No middle ground here...

Exactly. I am really embarrassed about the cited  threat because it was based on a review from a site that i certainly won't visit again in the future. I thought that it would be nice to state that i changed my mind completely after having played the game. Sure it is embarassing for me, but i don't want Bioware to think that their game is garbage. It has it's flaws but what it does right, it does REALLY right. And the flaws it has a terribly overblown here in the forums.

I my opinion what happened is this: Right now they have three big budget title in the making. One (ME 3) is pretty sure to be a tremendous success but has to have very high budget to surpass part 2 in every aspect. Than there is their Star Wars MMO which is a high risk endeavour and i bet a nightmare when it comes to budget. I am afraid that they had to cut corners with Dragon Age 2 budgetwise in this situation but i really think they did the very best they could under these cirumstances.

Modifié par Ingrimm22, 17 mars 2011 - 05:35 .

[lsdiskewl]

Eurypterid wrote...

KalDurenik wrote...

Obvious troll.

Also can someone explain to me how people somehow get 30+ hours of gameplay? Do you sit around and look at walls or something?

My experience on these boards of late is it's usually the person calling 'troll' that fits the description. Just a heads up.

My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

JabberJaww wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Yes. Liking Dragon age 2 means you are a troll. Stay classy guys.

Having not played the game yet and reading the forums over the last week... it is odd the venom spewed at anyone who might actually enjoy the game. 

If i do like DA2 after playing it, i just may avoid posting that I do. 

That may be a good idea. Maybe just avoid BSN all together. I know, I'm a hypocrite for saying that. But its like watching a train wreck, you just can't look away. 

[JamesX]

lsdiskewl wrote...

My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

I think that was more a EA thing.  Not Bioware.

[Rockpopple]

It's by no means perfect, but god damn if this isn't an excellent rpg.

[DragonRageGT]

JabberJaww wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Yes. Liking Dragon age 2 means you are a troll. Stay classy guys.

Having not played the game yet and reading the forums over the last week... it is odd the venom spewed at anyone who might actually enjoy the game. 

If i do like DA2 after playing it, i just may avoid posting that I do. 

Well, I do like DA 2 but it still has many aspects that feels rushed, generic, unpolished, which I blame on the fact that the game didn't went through its normal development period and was rushed by someone or something wanting to capitalize on the title's fame.

But it's really sickening that instead of listing the marvels or the disasters of the game to defend a point of view, radicals in both extremes can only do so by insulting those who disagree with them. And Holy Wars usually have no winners, like any war actually, but they also tend to burn people at stakes...

[Nokternul]

Right on, OP.

I may not consider the game a masterpiece, but I feel you on how ridiculous many of the sensationalists are on these particular forums. Honestly, I feel like those who have some kind of irrational hatred toward the game just aren't caring to appreciate it for what it is. They won't let go of their expectations of a DA:O2, which this game certainly is not. It's a sequel in the technical sense of the term only, but it's a very different experience than DA:O; and it seems like many can't seem to wrap their heads around this very clear and obvious fact. It seems to me that DA:O was more of a complete game in terms of the story it told, but DAII is more like a single installment in a much larger story which has yet to be revealed or concluded. The way I see it, BioWare is known for storytelling in their games; and I feel that they've more than maintained that pillar in DAII.

Sure, DAII isn't perfect, what game is? It has it flaws, and it has its shortcomings, but I think that it truly delivers regardless--most of the issues I have with the game are rather minor in the grand scheme of things, such as dungeon map variety, this doesn't really bother me that much even though it is noticeable. Combat may be very simple on easy/normal, but that's why there's a game difficulty setting--good luck mashing buttons on hard/nightmare and getting past even the prologue.

BioWare decided to change some aspects of Origins for DAII, some changes may be for the better or the worse, but such is the nature of change. At least they tried instead of regurgitating another Origins with a new skin and title on it--now that would have been lazy, and a bigger disappointment than anything they did with DAII. Origins was a good game too, but DAII didn't need to be a carbon copy of Origins to be good as well.

In any case, good OP, and sometimes you just gotta learn to laugh at all the senseless QQ you see. When you see people complaining emotionally instead of reasonably, that's usually a good indication that the complaints are largely irrational, if not entirely baseless. DA:O is a good game. DAII is a good game. And I personally can't wait to see what happens next.

[AlanC9]

neppakyo wrote...
Rogues shouldn't be a "DPS Monster". They should be ones that skirt the edges of battle, engage an enemy, skirt off to the next one *sigh* I suck at writing, guess my point is, they shouldn't have more powerful attacks than warriors, or do more damage.  

Why?

[neppakyo]

RageGT wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Yes. Liking Dragon age 2 means you are a troll. Stay classy guys.

Having not played the game yet and reading the forums over the last week... it is odd the venom spewed at anyone who might actually enjoy the game. 

If i do like DA2 after playing it, i just may avoid posting that I do. 

Well, I do like DA 2 but it still has many aspects that feels rushed, generic, unpolished, which I blame on the fact that the game didn't went through its normal development period and was rushed by someone or something wanting to capitalize on the title's fame.

But it's really sickening that instead of listing the marvels or the disasters of the game to defend a point of view, radicals in both extremes can only do so by insulting those who disagree with them. And Holy Wars usually have no winners, like any war actually, but they also tend to burn people at stakes...

I like DA2.. but not as a AAA bioware game. Its a decent game by itself.. and I agree with your first paragraph. 

Theres a lot of problems with it, the blatant in your face of recycled maps, the stifling lineraty of kirkwall and quests, the combat, most of the lame companions, the ok plot-hole'd story, and the Mass Effect influence.

I still think its a disaster for bioware and a poor bioware RPG, but a good solid action RPG game which in my opinion is a tarnish on the DA name.

Hmm, hope this made sense

[lsdiskewl]

JamesX wrote...

lsdiskewl wrote...

My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

I think that was more a EA thing.  Not Bioware.

Uhhh it was two Bioware employees that got caught doing it.

[Venefica]

plain and simple...

...read the reviews to get an idea, but always form your own opinion

it's complete foolishness to just go by others opinions alone

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Rogues shouldn't be a "DPS Monster". They should be ones that skirt the edges of battle, engage an enemy, skirt off to the next one *sigh* I suck at writing, guess my point is, they shouldn't have more powerful attacks than warriors, or do more damage.  

Why?

Warriors have one skill.  They fight.  I'm of the opinion that Warriors should be better than every other class at weapon and armour skills, because that's all they have.

[iTIMMEH]

Would more dungeons and more variety made the game better? Well, probably yes. 

It definitely would have, no question about it.

Because Bioware did what they do best: STORYDRIVEN RPGs with Characters you won't forget, Dialogues that don't make you cringe 90% of the time and a rock solid battleengine.

The characters, for the most part, aren't anything special. The writing is fairly average and there are plenty of cringe-worthy moments and calling combat rock solid is being more than a little generous.

[neppakyo]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Rogues shouldn't be a "DPS Monster". They should be ones that skirt the edges of battle, engage an enemy, skirt off to the next one *sigh* I suck at writing, guess my point is, they shouldn't have more powerful attacks than warriors, or do more damage.  

Why?

Warriors have one skill.  They fight.  I'm of the opinion that Warriors should be better than every other class at weapon and armour skills, because that's all they have.

Amen brother.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Not their best game but definitely underrated.

Any game forum that isn't controlled to the point of absurdity, usually is filled with people who don't like the game and people who pretend they don't when the game first comes out.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

What exactly was tactical about origins combat?

I think it's the ability to implement a tactical plan.

DA2 doesn't let you do this because of the wave system, so you're required to make new tactical decisions throughout the fight.

That's not fun.  I want to design a plan and implement it and watch it succeed.  Watching the game break my plan over and over again just dissuades me from coming up with a plan at all, and then I'm not doing any tactical planning.

And the tactical planning is the fun part of combat.

[Naitaka]

No, DA2 had better score from the press than it deserved. Alpha Protocol, now THERE'S a really criminally underrated game that's not even going to get a sequel, sigh...

Modifié par Naitaka, 17 mars 2011 - 05:58 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Rogues shouldn't be a "DPS Monster". They should be ones that skirt the edges of battle, engage an enemy, skirt off to the next one *sigh* I suck at writing, guess my point is, they shouldn't have more powerful attacks than warriors, or do more damage.  

Why?

Warriors have one skill.  They fight.  I'm of the opinion that Warriors should be better than every other class at weapon and armour skills, because that's all they have.

Warriors can go toe to toe with up to 5 or so enemies at a time and still do near enough damage vs. one opponent as a rogue and can exceed Rogues occassionally if specd right, Rogues shine on 1vs1 battles, but when crowded.....

I think theyve  got class balance and the feeling of differentiation between them down quite well

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I dislike all classes for having rigid deffinitions of skills and limitations. Such obsessions are unhealthy. Do people refer to themselves as a level 12 lawyer, banker or construction worker in real life? Does that define their skillset? Not really. Bioware should take something for this sickness. I want warriors to use bows, mages to use swords and rogues to use something else than "daggers." The storytelling in Bioware games is pretty good most of the time, the mechanics are kinda restrictive, even moreso in DA 2.

[DraCZeQQ]

Naitaka wrote...

No, DA2 had better score from the press than it deserved. Alpha Protocol, now THERE'S a really criminally underrated game that's not even to get a sequel, sigh...

^ THIS!

[Ingrimm22]

lsdiskewl wrote...

JamesX wrote...

lsdiskewl wrote...

My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

I think that was more a EA thing.  Not Bioware.

Uhhh it was two Bioware employees that got caught doing it.

Yes and you know what? I can understand that. You can see that there has been no small amount of heart and soul put into these Bioware-games. DA 2 may be flawed and Bioware may have cut a few too many corners with DA 2 but the game has character and a soul, something that you can't say about 95% of the games out there (especially from EA, i might add). This metacritic stunt was ill advised (and professional viral marketing doesn't get caught in the act that easy) but i bet it's from a dude who was really pissed of at all the bull**** that's been written in the forums. It was not right but understandable: If you put your heart into something you are easily offended.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

What exactly was tactical about origins combat?

I think it's the ability to implement a tactical plan.

DA2 doesn't let you do this because of the wave system, so you're required to make new tactical decisions throughout the fight.

That's not fun.  I want to design a plan and implement it and watch it succeed.  Watching the game break my plan over and over again just dissuades me from coming up with a plan at all, and then I'm not doing any tactical planning.

And the tactical planning is the fun part of combat.

Sorry mate there are many many cotradictions with this statement......You like tactics but dont like dynamic tactics? youre selective in your like of tactics.

I agree they went to the extreme with waves, but a balance of say 50% waves and 50% "what you see is what you get" could suffice

Changing tactics on the fly to compensate for a new threat is more tactical IMO than rinse and repeat for every fight in origins

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 17 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[Ingrimm22]

iTIMMEH wrote...
The characters, for the most part, aren't anything special. The writing is fairly average and there are plenty of cringe-worthy moments and calling combat rock solid is being more than a little generous.

"Not anything special" compared to what? To Shakespeare or "West Wing"? Certainly. Compared to almost every other game out there? Certainly not.

And i really would like to hear, which RPG in the last years has a more complex yet easy to handle battleengine for more than one character?

Modifié par Ingrimm22, 17 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[JamesX]

lsdiskewl wrote...

Uhhh it was two Bioware employees that got caught doing it.

That is only assuming EA cannot call the shots?

E.g.
Assuming Sony bought Paramount
if a Sony exec issue an order to the Paramount Execs, "These are horrible reviews, you guys fix it!"
the Paramount Execs said to a Office Worker, "This is weird, go write some good reviews."  
Worker went and wrote the good reviews

The ultimate responsibility and culture of corruption is at the feet of Sony, not Paramount.  Yes while Paramount participated, I do not blame them for not risking their jobs over something like a game review.

Ingrimm22 wrote...

Yes and you know what? I can understand that. You can see that there has been no small amount of heart and soul put into these Bioware-games. DA 2 may be flawed and Bioware may have cut a few too many corners with DA 2 but the game has character and a soul, something that you can't say about 95% of the games out there (especially from EA, i might add). This metacritic stunt was ill advised (and professional viral marketing doesn't get caught in the act that easy) but i bet it's from a dude who was really pissed of at all the bull**** that's been written in the forums. It was not right but understandable: If you put your heart into something you are easily offended. 

While you can understand it, I hope you understand this logic should in no way excuse their behavior (if in fact that was their reason.)

One cannot say "I don't like the situation and I feel my efforts are wasted, so I am going to do something shady to validate my feelings."  That is wrong no matter which way you look at it.

Modifié par JamesX, 17 mars 2011 - 05:59 .