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[Pompeii69]

Personally, I believe many of the professional reviewers criminally overrated the game, instead of telling the truth. And that truth is it's a mediocre game at best, and has put a tarnish on the name of Bioware and Dragon Age, IMO.

[Cloaking_Thane]

an aggregate of ~ 8/10 is pretty much fair.

I think at the low end a 6/10 is fair with justification, and a 9/10 is fair with justification, all the other opinions are pretty much hyperbole and outliers.

It's above average, but nothing earth shattering, and introduced some solid combat and story telling features.

Reuse of maps is a large negative issue, and some design choices are certainly questionable... IMO the aggregat of reviews that ran the gammit from 6-9.4 have all been pretty fair respectively

[neppakyo]

Pompeii69 wrote...

Personally, I believe many of the professional reviewers criminally overrated the game, instead of telling the truth. And that truth is it's a mediocre game at best, and has put a tarnish on the name of Bioware and Dragon Age, IMO.

Yeah I kinda said that earlier..

[LuPoM]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

You know what guys? In the future i won't even look at "official" forums anymore before i tried the game myself. Thats a lesson i really, really learned here. You people had almost in all seriousness convinced me that DA 2 would be a bad game and a disgrace to the franchise. I even made (totally embarassing) nerdrage-threads myself here, whining that i would cancel my preorder.

Well i did exactly that and now after having played that game for almost 50h (still in act 2) I just have to say that i'm playing a masterpiece, nothing less and most things i read here where utter lies. 15 Hours of Gameplay? Yeah if you skip everything incl. every cutscene and dialogue, ignore most of the sidequest, dont explore at all, copy&paste cookie cutter builds from the interwebs and play on "casual". Then, maybe, yes. Worse graphics? You gotta be kidding me. "Dumped down hack&slash" gameplay? This is one that really pisses me off because DA 2 is MORE complex and more refined than DA:O in every relevant aspect of the battleengine. "Dumbed down"? Yeah right, did you even play the game? Or DA:O for that matter?

Would more dungeons and more variety made the game better? Well, probably yes. But u know what? I don't care. Because Bioware did what they do best: STORYDRIVEN RPGs with Characters you won't forget, Dialogues that don't make you cringe 90% of the time and a rock solid battleengine.

If i want to explore vast open landscapes or indulge myself in Item-Crazyness i will reopen the many MMO-Accounts that i have, i really don't need Offline RPGs for that, in fact: i don't want them too deliver "vast worlds" anymore, that's a thing of the past (and yes i include Bethesda games that look good but are completely devoid of any meaningful content, making up for it with long traveling times and no narrative to speak off). Bioware did the exact right thing in the age of MMOs: Refining the essence of what MMOs can't do into a glorious offlinegame which is EPIC in every sense of the word and much more polished than DA:O (which i loved and played for 200+ hours).

I am an RPG-Veteran who played almost everything since the days of "The Bard's Tale" on my C-64. Offline RPGs or MMORPGs, japanese or western, it doesn't matter i'm a sucker for this genre. My Top 10 of all time would include games like Deus Ex, Planescape Torment, Dark Age of Camelot, Shin Megami Tensai-Series and Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 as well es Final Fantasy X, Valkyrie Profile, Guild Wars and, yes, WoW.   

So to every gamer on the fence about this game: do yourself a favour and try it.

I agree on about everything.. except for the fact that I don't put DAII and Origins on the very same level, and I didn't expected Origins 2 (BioWare never said that!).
As for myself, I got 58 hours of gameplay in the end on Hard/Normal, which could have been more, only becouse on the end of Act II I switched to normal (felt it too hard for a warrior tank) and forgot to set it back to Hard after..
I am replaying it right now, as a rogue, and look forward to play it again!
As for me it delivered, a LOT, and the end it was heroic compared to the summary of Origins (to be fully honest) where I expected to actually see the crowds cheering at you!

To the people guessing if he is on crack or it's a troll, you guys are, buy the game and try it, not comparing it to Origins as it should have been Origins 2, and then speak.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Hahahahahaa!

DA2 more complex?
Just open you inventory nd take a look at weapons stats...you'll find only one thing there..DPS. Yeah..that's SOOOOO complex.


Puh-lease..The game is simplified.


And I could even live with less area or re-use of areas if they actually looked better.
They are just so bland, and lifeless.

Someboy please post a comparison pic between DA:O and DA2 Dalish camp and Alianage...
DA2 might have a more modern egnine, but it ends up looking worse...

[neppakyo]

I miss the fatigue stats.

[Eurypterid]

lsdiskewl wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

KalDurenik wrote...

Obvious troll.

Also can someone explain to me how people somehow get 30+ hours of gameplay? Do you sit around and look at walls or something?

My experience on these boards of late is it's usually the person calling 'troll' that fits the description. Just a heads up.

My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

I'm sorry: this has to do with my post, how?

[KalDurenik]

Its simple. The reason why i said he was a troll is because how his entire topic is put up. And i still dont get how people get that much gameplay time? I got 25-27 or so hours or around 27 hours on nightmare. I did not skip any dialog and i missed out on a few quests...

Errr

The smuggler quest for the templars from the dwarf... And the mercenary quest  from the same area at the same time as that quest... And one of the flower quests. Sure i had somewhat of a edge because my friend had played it before me on nightmare so he told me "dont go there because mob Y will one shot your group until you gain a level or so" so i guess that helped.

But anyway the game is way to short... it lacks depth in both combat and story... hell the story is a roller coaster... and a broken roller coaster at that. With a newbie mistake where you throw the player forward X years and guys come up like "hey my best friend you helped me with this thing" You: "Umh... I dont know you?"

overall if this game was not made by Bioware it would get even less points... Hell it would have less people defending it for the average game it is.

Note not everything is BAD with the game... There is simply just to many removed features, average and bad things with the game.

Good example:
*More abilities for rogues and warriors (Great!)
*When you press a button your character react (most of the time its abit buggy)
*Some fun quests here and there and some fun parts in the story with the dwarf for example.

Take it as you wish

[mdugger12]

Giving it an 8/10 is about right. I wouldn't try to argue anybody down if they didn't like this game, If they honestly don't think DA II is all that great I think it's important to speak up. I have to admit since getting into my second playthrough I've noticed a couple of issues. I can see the lack of variety and re-use of areas being a valid concern. But for the most part, familiarity with the areas in the game work with the story. As for the game being "dumbed down"? I don't entirely agree. I don't have a problem with a developer making a great experience more accessible to a larger audience and I don't feel they truly took anything away that I loved about the original. I love this game, it isn't perfect but I think that says a lot about the developer that so much is expected of them.

[Darth Executor]

This is one that really pisses me off because DA 2 is MORE complex and more refined than DA:O in every relevant aspect of the battleengine.

It's not more complex, it's about the same overall. Rogues and warriors have decent abilities making them worth playing, but mages were severely dumbed down with their huge spell selection reduced to a handful of spells + a few upgrades. This contributes to its hack and slash appearance quite a bit.

edit: same combat wise. The removal of non-combat skills was a stupid idea.

Dialogues that don't make you cringe 90% of the time

"I want to be a dragon!"
"Sailing is like sex. Do it wrong, and it'll make you sick"

Nope, no cringing whatsoever.

Modifié par Darth Executor, 17 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

You cherrypicked what tactics you enjoy and what you didnt. but even we can both recognize the merits of the other system, so you dont throw the baby out with the bath water which is good.

I enjoy tactically eliminating the boss and dealing with one assassin, yet still having to be wary of another assassin popping up while im on CD, to me it makes combat much more exciting and keeps me on my toes rather than, hes already dead no need to worry about that.

I think a mix is the best way to go and I think you agree!

A mix would absolutely be ideal.

[johook213]

KalDurenik wrote...

overall if this game was not made by Bioware it would get even less points... Hell it would have less people defending it for the average game it is.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I do not defend the game simply because it was made by Bioware.  In fact, Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening and DA2 are the only bioware games I own.  I defend the game because I enjoyed it. A lot.  I prefer Origins over DA2, but I didn't dislike DA2.  In fact, I like them just about the same.  I just connected with Origins more.  The Warden felt more like a manafestation of me in Thedas, where Hawke is some other guy's story.  I love both games thou. ^^

[Fymth]

Post not intended move along

Modifié par Fymth, 17 mars 2011 - 08:37 .

[Tirigon]

Eurypterid wrote...

lsdiskewl wrote...
My experience is that Bioware actively buys reviews and has its employess attempt to falsify user reviews. Just a heads up.

I'm sorry: this has to do with my post, how?

Not at all........

[Fymth]

I am with you on this one OP, I came to the forums b/c I was excited about the game
Turns out, its INFESTED with trolls, I really feel bad for the devs reading these forums
I didnt even work on the game and am absolutely disgusted by the trolling going on here
It is a good game, yes it has flaws but the trolls are ''Crying'' really loudly compared to the constructive posts

TLDR: (Hawke agressive option @ carver) Too many crying little ****es/troll who should be banned and are not

[Jman5]

Fymth wrote...

I am with you on this one OP, I came to the forums b/c I was excited about the game
Turns out, its INFESTED with trolls, I really feel bad for the devs reading these forums
I didnt even work on the game and am absolutely disgusted by the trolling going on here
It is a good game, yes it has flaws but the trolls are ''Crying'' really loudly compared to the constructive posts

TLDR: (Hawke agressive option @ carver) Too many crying little ****es/troll who should be banned and are not

Same. I used to think the Starcraft 2 Forums were the worst on the internet, but this tops it.

[KalDurenik]

Fymth wrote...

I am with you on this one OP, I came to the forums b/c I was excited about the game
Turns out, its INFESTED with trolls, I really feel bad for the devs reading these forums
I didnt even work on the game and am absolutely disgusted by the trolling going on here
It is a good game, yes it has flaws but the trolls are ''Crying'' really loudly compared to the constructive posts

TLDR: (Hawke agressive option @ carver) Too many crying little ****es/troll who should be banned and are not

Trolls? Bah every forum have trolls. In DA2 case its alot worse because alot of people are not trolling and are simply annoyed over how bad they find the game. Not everyone can write a huge review of a game and point out the flaws. So they might enter another topic and say "I agree its bad".

[TheMake]

My apologies, monsigneur, but thou art a troll in all obviousness.

I laugh at thee - Haha! Now, allow me to sip my Chardonnay while wearing tux and feel like I'm part of some high-society.

Puff eloquence doesn't make you seem smart.

[ftg]

Fymth wrote...

I am with you on this one OP, I came to the forums b/c I was excited about the game
Turns out, its INFESTED with trolls, I really feel bad for the devs reading these forums
I didnt even work on the game and am absolutely disgusted by the trolling going on here
It is a good game, yes it has flaws but the trolls are ''Crying'' really loudly compared to the constructive posts

TLDR: (Hawke agressive option @ carver) Too many crying little ****es/troll who should be banned and are not

Fortunately there's just as many empty "I Heart This Game" posters/posts/trolls that balance it out, so I think all is fair at this point.

On topic? It's not underrated, in my opinion, and not criminally underrated, whatever that means.

[Fymth]

One thing I have to add to the thread....didnt 4chan have an influence on the user ratings? I think I remember seeing a post about it, not sure

[Tirigon]

Jman5 wrote...

Same. I used to think the Starcraft 2 Forums were the worst on the internet, but this tops it.

Well StarCraft forums were actually pretty good until they banned me for a month without any reason.......

[Icinix]

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You like the shiny?

[Nightnight]

JamesX wrote...

Ingrimm22 wrote...

Your read codex entries, you explore the maps for hidden quests, you tinker with your speccs or try different ones instead of "auto-level", you don't rush on "casual" in "ololol" mode. Just a few examples.

Did all that - including reading 90%-ish of codex entries, played on Hard (nightmare is just no fun with 2H Warrior), did all quests that I found and wasn't bugged, all companion quests finished, maxed friendship, maxed gifts, missed only the Respect of the Qun achievement (and any achievement that is exclusive to my siding with the mages choice).  Still only about 30-iosh hours.

That is going out of my way to be complete.  I can seen an average player finish the game in 25 hours just playing normally without skipping dialog and quests.

Maybe people just have slow computers and have horrible load times?  That could matter alot when it comes to speed.  Though with the DX11 issue, I play the game with only 22-25 fps, so that isn't exactly blazingly fast.

I agree the average players will probably finish the game in about 25 hours. I simply cannot see the casual players to grind through some of the more tedious sidequests for 100% completion. 

I finished the game in around 30 hours (or 28 hours to be exact) on hard without any skipped dialogues with 90% of the quests done. The reason I said 90% is because there could be sidequests I missed on the first playthrough. All sidequests that I could have find were completed. An entire hour of my playtime is devoted to fighting the rock wrath. Yes sirs and madams, I suck. 

DA2 has proved to be quite enjoyable to me, but not to the extent of DAO. After I finished DAO, the words "EPIC and WOW" echoed in my mind but finishing DA2 left me with "coollio, not a bad final boss fight".

[Lady Cora]

This game is everybit as good as i expected. Full marks to Bioware for another great game. Roll on the DLC. Also i'm currently on 32 hours part way through act 3 on casual and i havn't been staring at any walls. 

Modifié par Lady Cora, 17 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[Duncan Anderson]

I agree it is underate, but unfortunetly that is not a crime.

Soon though, soon *evil laugh*

*Cape swish away*