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[Ingrimm22]

FDrage wrote...

Ingrimm22 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

HawXV2 wrote...

lol at the haters. You guys are pathetic.

No, some people just have taste.

And you really think that meaningless one-liners and accusations give you any kind of credibility?

Which one liner do you mean ?

Dr. Impossible's of course for accusing me of being "payed". And i know i contradict myself but in the end gracing a one liner with more than a line is really too much of an effort, therefore leading to fruitless bashing either way.

Modifié par Ingrimm22, 18 mars 2011 - 11:47 .

[Dr. Impossible]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I do agree that DA2 has great merits as a role-playing game. Despite one very serious flaw (the labeling of the dialogue wheel), you do have more roleplaying opportunities here than in DAO, ME1 and ME2.

And those games have considerably fewer opportunities than the Baldur's Gate series. BioWare no longer makes CRPGs.

Ingrimm22 wrote...

Dr. Impossible's of course for accusing me of being "payed".

Well ok, there's another potential explanation: you think if you suck up to BioWare hard enough they'll come pick you up in a limousine and make you Senior Game Design Consultant or something.

[BTCentral]

KalDurenik wrote...

Obvious troll.

Also can someone explain to me how people somehow get 30+ hours of gameplay? Do you sit around and look at walls or something?

Oh look, a 38:34:44 Act 2 play time - you are right, we must all be trolls.
I removed the plot summary as there were obviously spoilers.



It's called doing a completionist playthrough - as in every single mission available to you (and there are a fair few you will not know about until you go looking for them), instead of just running through the main missions as fast as possible.

Not playing on Casual helps too

Modifié par BTCentral, 18 mars 2011 - 12:34 .

[Rybciek]

Haven't read most of the thread but thought I'd throw my support out for this game as well. Played the demo, thought it was all style no substance. Honestly, horrible demo. Decided not to buy the game. I bought the game anyway because I think Bioware has earned the benefit of the doubt, and I am simply blown away by this game. There does seem to be a lot of hate for it, but I for one am proud to have it in my possession. I am disturbed at the lack of choices in the game but so far it seems smooth enough. I'm happy to have excessive choices removed in favour of a deep and immersive plot, one that's actually interesting. I think it payed off considering a lot of the side quests in the game are quite engaging. Not the usual "collect 10 lily flowers" kind of crap.

[Ingrimm22]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
Well ok, there's another potential explanation: you think if you suck up to BioWare hard enough they'll come pick you up in a limousine and make you Senior Game Design Consultant or something.

classy, mate, keep it comin'.

Modifié par Ingrimm22, 18 mars 2011 - 01:59 .

[KAGORN FAERYSPLITTER]

Sorry, but no one knows what you're talking about.

Anyone who gives this game anything over a 1/10 score is already overrating it.

[GregoriusMaximus]

Falseprophecy wrote...

OP, I'm with you. The characterization and dialogue in this game are fantastic. Characters actually emote through gestures and body language--No more characters staring off into space, no more emotionless Warden-

WOW. I was previously really confused when people claimed the characterisation and dialogue in this game were great, but now I understand - you don't actually know what those words mean. What you all mean is that the animations were more human? Oh ffs, what a generation of emotionally stunted, imaginationless weirdos we have created...

[tek427]

I'm on Act II now (I'm not sure how many hours I've put in) and I can say that I'm enjoying myself. It's too early for me to say that it's better than DA:O, but there are a few things I do and do not like. I like the new visuals for the skills. The flashy spells are awesome! But I like how bringing certain party members can impact how you can do certain quests. Sadly I miss talking to my party members at camp and exchanging their equipment all at once, instead of switching my current party to give them accessories.

[Ingrimm22]

KAGORN FAERYSPLITTER wrote...

Sorry, but no one knows what you're talking about.

Anyone who gives this game anything over a 1/10 score is already overrating it.

Yeah Mr. "I-joined-the-Forums-today-because-i-heard-the-Troll-Agency-is-hiring", whatever. Move along plz.

[GregoriusMaximus]

RageGT wrote...

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

50 hours? HAHAHA the person who said you were on crack was dead wrong. You must be on temazepam if you took 50 hours. I took my time and played slowly through absolutely everything and came to 26 hours by the end.

Why, I can bet you played on Easy or Normal difficulty. Even Hard is pretty easy without FF.

You lose that bet; you probably could've found your answer by scrolling a few inches down. RPGs aren't about combat anyway; saying that "OH well if you fail repeatedly to win various fights it takes longer" does not mean there is more hours of content in the game.

[GregoriusMaximus]

BTCentral wrote...

It's called doing a completionist playthrough - as in every single mission available to you (and there are a fair few you will not know about until you go looking for them), instead of just running through the main missions as fast as possible.

Not playing on Casual helps too

I'm an absolutely obsessive completionist and I got to 26 hours playing on hard (not that the difficulty should affect the amount of content).

I rather suspect anyone claiming they got 50 hoursish must have left their machines running or something. There's just not that much game. Not even close.

[bill4747bill]

I am not done yet with the game, but I am very curious how long it will take.

I can't wait to see how long the game really is.

Some have claimed 14 hours. Some 50. Quite a variance.


Not sure why I care

[Silver Direwolf]

I totally agree with the OP. It's no where near the terrible game it is made out to be on the forums by some people, and I'm loving it so far.

Yes, some aspects I'm not too pleased with, but the good more than makes up for it.

Plus I love Merrill

[Mlaar]

KalDurenik wrote...
Also can someone explain to me how people somehow get 30+ hours of gameplay? Do you sit around and look at walls or something?

Umm well almost embarresed to say but.. I fell asleep... twice!!! no no not due to the game I musta just been overtired

[Whispre]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

It's called doing a completionist playthrough - as in every single mission available to you (and there are a fair few you will not know about until you go looking for them), instead of just running through the main missions as fast as possible.

Not playing on Casual helps too

I'm an absolutely obsessive completionist and I got to 26 hours playing on hard (not that the difficulty should affect the amount of content).

I rather suspect anyone claiming they got 50 hoursish must have left their machines running or something. There's just not that much game. Not even close.

You may be obsessive, but I don't think you're a great completionist...

first play through I got to level 22, hard/normal difficulties, took about 38 hours. Second play through is at about 20 hours in act 2 but i've skipped LOTS of dialog.



and to those who argue that waves of enemies make tactics obsolete... welcome to war. Tactics can INCLUDE what to do to set yourself up for the next wave. Expand your tactical thinking.

[DragonRageGT]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

RageGT wrote...

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

50 hours? HAHAHA the person who said you were on crack was dead wrong. You must be on temazepam if you took 50 hours. I took my time and played slowly through absolutely everything and came to 26 hours by the end.

Why, I can bet you played on Easy or Normal difficulty. Even Hard is pretty easy without FF.

You lose that bet; you probably could've found your answer by scrolling a few inches down. RPGs aren't about combat anyway; saying that "OH well if you fail repeatedly to win various fights it takes longer" does not mean there is more hours of content in the game.

No, I won that bet. Hard without Friendly Fire and a walk in the park. And no again, I never said "OH well if you fail repeatedly to win various fights it takes longer" since when you reload the counter goes back to whatever game hours you had when you saved. I said, explicitly, that encounters/fights in Nightmare difficulty take much much longer than in any other difficulty. Requires a lot more planning, strategy, positioning, etc.

And any difficulty other than the hardest in any game I play if for kids. You cannot RP a champion or a hero of any kind if you don't take the challenge to the highest level and then bash the game because it is too short. You're in fact rp'ing some dude who is afraid, is very afraid! IMHO!

BTW, you didn't mention how muich gold you raised before going into the expedition, which would be a good measure of how completionist you really are. Again, damn shame DA2 doesn't keep record of this and many other stats like good ol' Origins does!

Modifié par RageGT, 18 mars 2011 - 04:49 .

[sonofalich]

i figured it wasn't going to be the gaming abortion some made it out to be. still, it's an 8/10 for me which is not bad.

[jbanchiere]

DA2 isn't terrible: it's competent.

Hardly a shining endorsement.

[Acevasi]

I'm close to 80 hr but i'm doing a full nightmare playthrough without any extra items that you can get from promos/whatever just so it can be harder and more challenging to beat and i haven't lowered difficulty once. So playtime wary's from person to person on RPG's allthough combat on nightmare takes a LOT of time.

[d3c0yBoY]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

It's called doing a completionist playthrough - as in every single mission available to you (and there are a fair few you will not know about until you go looking for them), instead of just running through the main missions as fast as possible.

Not playing on Casual helps too

I'm an absolutely obsessive completionist and I got to 26 hours playing on hard (not that the difficulty should affect the amount of content).

I rather suspect anyone claiming they got 50 hoursish must have left their machines running or something. There's just not that much game. Not even close.

26hrs on hard = casual. DA2 becomes a completely different game on Nightmare. You would know this if you weren't so intimidated, but we forgive you.

Modifié par d3c0yBoY, 19 mars 2011 - 07:53 .

[BiowarEA]

There's no accounting for taste...

[heretica]

I agree with OP.

[AuraofMana]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

What exactly was tactical about origins combat?

Chugging potions? Seeing the entire enemy at once and knowing exactly how to take it out with next to zero suprising variables ( granted I think da2 went to the opposite extreme of waves in all combat)? Getting hit with a sword that you dodged from 30 ft away? No cross class combos?

I'm failing to grasp why DAO was so tactical comparatively? Is it simply the camera angle or FF on hard? because i've had literally zero problems targeting aoe's

Umm, using specific conditions only certain classes can cause and other classes can take advantage of is a sign of bad design. This is using very obvious things to force combos. In a good combat design, combos are not forced, they are interwoven into the combat and skills themselves. Just look at games like DotA. They do not go "if you use ability A, and the target has effect B, then A deals more damage". Positioning and working off of snares are some of the major aspects of interwoven combat.

DA2 does have examples of this, although very minor. For example, as a Force Mage you can summon what is essentially Singularity (forgot name of the spell), and then use another spell to pull all the enemies into the center of it. These two abilities are useful separately, and become even more useful when used together. That's an example of a nice combat design, not something forced.

Modifié par AuraofMana, 19 mars 2011 - 10:33 .

[Timon44]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

You know what guys? In the future i won't even look at "official" forums anymore before i tried the game myself. Thats a lesson i really, really learned here. You people had almost in all seriousness convinced me that DA 2 would be a bad game and a disgrace to the franchise. I even made (totally embarassing) nerdrage-threads myself here, whining that i would cancel my preorder.

I will never understand people like you. Criticising something that you haven't even experienced yourself!?

I agree with the thread topic however: DA2 is a brilliant game and criminally underrated.