One thing I've been wondering about this game is that, despite the fact that Kirkwall is but one relatively small city-state within the Free Marches, it seems to have a lot of things that would befit a regional capitol. It's got a rather large chantry with its own Grand Cleric (who's the Chantry equivalent to an Archbishop- typically ruling over large areas of land), it's own Circle and its own Templars. Or does it?
Does anyone know if the Chantry, Templars and Circle within Kirkwall serve Kirkwall EXCLUSIVELY, or are they simply the Free Marches headquarters of the Chantry and Templar Order? Are there any references to Circles within the Free Marches but outside of Kirkwall?
Templars, Chantry and Mages in the rest of the Free Marches
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:04
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Taleroth wrote...
Starkhaven has or had a circle.
Had. It was burned down and its mages were sent to other Circles (most, if not all, to Kirkwall).
I don't think that that event can change, regardless of your choices.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:04
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There's a circle in Starkhaven as well, and even a village like Lothering had a chantry, a few templars and a grand cleric.
Also, between Kirkwall and the rest of the marches, there's gianormous mountains, hence why you can only properly reach the place by ship, not exactly a perfect location for a capital.
Also, between Kirkwall and the rest of the marches, there's gianormous mountains, hence why you can only properly reach the place by ship, not exactly a perfect location for a capital.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:05
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Yeah, I couldn't recall if it was destroyed or if a few merely escaped and were simply caught again near Kirkwall.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:05
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It was the seat of Templar power in the east. The templars and circle within kirkwall serve the Chantry, they have no real authority over the city of Kirkwall. They're the head quarters in the east, what is defined as the east I do not know but considering Alistair, KING of fereldan decides its important enough to pay a visit i assume fereldan is counted as being "east"
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:06
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Did Lothering have a Grand Cleric?Lithuasil wrote...
There's a circle in Starkhaven as well, and even a village like Lothering had a chantry, a few templars and a grand cleric.
Also, between Kirkwall and the rest of the marches, there's gianormous mountains, hence why you can only properly reach the place by ship, not exactly a perfect location for a capital.
Anyway, thanks for reminding me about the Starkhaven Circle. I expect most cities/towns to have some templars, but the fact that the Templars seemed to have a Headquarters in Kirkwall just seemed a bit odd.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:06
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In one of the blurbs in loading screens it mentions that there are 14 circles in Thedas excluding Tevinter with there being 2 in the Free marches the other was at Starkhaven,but was destroyed at the same time as Sebastians family was taken out, hence all the Starkhaven refugee mages such as Alain and Grace.
I'm sure that somewhere else it also mentioned that Kirkwall was the centre of Templar power in the east of the continent so while the other city states of the Free Marches will have their own Cathedral size chantrys and a decent number of Templars, I'm guessing that Kirkwall is the biggest single concentration, perhaps they even train templars from other states there. Starkhaven was probably its only regional rival due to the presence of its own circle and thus lsrger number of templars.
EDIT, Lothering had a Revered Mother, basicly a senior priestess.
I'm sure that somewhere else it also mentioned that Kirkwall was the centre of Templar power in the east of the continent so while the other city states of the Free Marches will have their own Cathedral size chantrys and a decent number of Templars, I'm guessing that Kirkwall is the biggest single concentration, perhaps they even train templars from other states there. Starkhaven was probably its only regional rival due to the presence of its own circle and thus lsrger number of templars.
EDIT, Lothering had a Revered Mother, basicly a senior priestess.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:07
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Taleroth wrote...
Yeah, I couldn't recall if it was destroyed or if a few merely escaped and were simply caught again near Kirkwall.
What we know is there was a fire, and they had to relocate some mages, If The circle is destroyed, or if they merely have lost five phylacteries, and need to renovate two dorms, we do not know. And I find it hard to imagine a place built to contain mages would burn to the ground very easily.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:10
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There are two Circles in the Free Marches. Starkhaven was likely the second Circle. There are sixteen in total, I believe, outside of the Tevinter Circles.
I'm not sure if we're currently counting the Starkhaven Circle or the Rivain Circle in this total, since the Starkhaven Circle was destroyed towards the beginning of Dragon Age 2 and the nation of Rivain seems to be dealing with a civil war between the followers of the Qun and the followers of the Maker. Hard to say if the Rivain Circle is still standing or not. It's possible they could be factored into the total already, or the numbers of Circles provided in the sequel dismisses both of them already.
I'm not sure if we're currently counting the Starkhaven Circle or the Rivain Circle in this total, since the Starkhaven Circle was destroyed towards the beginning of Dragon Age 2 and the nation of Rivain seems to be dealing with a civil war between the followers of the Qun and the followers of the Maker. Hard to say if the Rivain Circle is still standing or not. It's possible they could be factored into the total already, or the numbers of Circles provided in the sequel dismisses both of them already.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:13
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LobselVith8 wrote...
There are two Circles in the Free Marches. Starkhaven was likely the second Circle. There are sixteen in total, I believe, outside of the Tevinter Circles.
14 circles, unknown how many are in Tevinter.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:16
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See, this raises another question:
Was there only one Circle in Ferelden because it's a puissant, backwards country, or is "one Circle per nation" par for the course?
Also, does Nevarra still count as part of the Free Marches? Because if so, that means that it'd have no circle and would have to bus all of its mages to Kirkwall or Starkhaven.
Was there only one Circle in Ferelden because it's a puissant, backwards country, or is "one Circle per nation" par for the course?
Also, does Nevarra still count as part of the Free Marches? Because if so, that means that it'd have no circle and would have to bus all of its mages to Kirkwall or Starkhaven.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:17
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Cassandra is a seeker and from Nevarra royal family so I'm thinking the Chantry is pretty powerful in Nevarra. I imagine they have a circle and they're not part of the free marches any more.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:20
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I believe Orlais has more than one Circle, so I don't think it's restricted to one Circle per nation.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:21
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
See, this raises another question:
Was there only one Circle in Ferelden because it's a puissant, backwards country, or is "one Circle per nation" par for the course?
Also, does Nevarra still count as part of the Free Marches? Because if so, that means that it'd have no circle and would have to bus all of its mages to Kirkwall or Starkhaven.
I think that Circles exist on an "as-needed" basis. There's only one in Ferelden either because its population is small enough that more would be superfluous or because its population is so spread out that apostates abound while only the most metropolitan areas (those with chantries, basically) actually send their mages to the Circle Tower.
Nevarra is its own nation. As I said, I think Circles exist where they're needed. I don't know why Kirkwall and Starkhaven both have their own when they're so near to one another, but maybe they really do support populations that large, or maybe it's just a matter of tradition.
But there are fourteen Circles, and not that many nations, so there are going to be nations with more than one. Orlais would probably have the most, since it's the biggest nation as well as the most dominated by the Chantry.
