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[Anarya]

RolandX9 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Orsino wasn't insane, we was just hugely panicked.

I think it was more of a despair event horizon thing. The way he looks at the bodies of his friends, the closest thing any mage has to family, Maker knows how many students who were like children to him...and the way he asks why they don't just kill them in their cribs. I was heartbroken. Then, of course, he goes all Harvester. It does make sense from a "he just broke" perspective, IMHO. Certainly not very bright with Hawke and co. right there, and it does feel very forced in the pro-Mage ending (in a "we need to use this boss fight regardless of the ending" sort of way), but it's at least plausible. I would have much preferred being able to "point" him at the Templars until sufficient casualties had been inflicted and/or he's in danger of getting out into Kirkwall, then putting him down. Then again, I'm very pro-mage-freedom (just not in a "blow up innocent people" or "turn into a demon" way).

That's the only way it makes sense to me. A great tactician he is not.

[Dave of Canada]

I'd rather think he's evil from the start, considering he helped supply the Kirkwall Killer with books and stuff.

... and in the templar ending, he kills the mages that he "fuses" with.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Purple People Eater]

Mentioning that he aided my mothers killer really made me want to kill him.

[shaneho78]

Replayed the end mission but siding with the templars this time. It made so much more sense. When i sided with the mages, every templar wanted me dead but when i reached the courtyard they suddenly had a change of heart wtf? Also Orsino going bat**** when there isn't a single enemy near him another wtf moment.

[LobselVith8]

He addresses Quentin's research as "evil" in the mage ending, so why assume he knew what Quentin was doing to living people? I think becoming a Harvester is a far cry from what Quentin was doing to those unfortunate women.

[Khayness]

"Your Friend O" at the letter sent to Quentin kinda gave him away for me.

I read too much Tv Tropes, being Genre Savvy is a curse.

[In Exile]

The thing is, the mages are screwed. Bioware fails to portray this, but basically the mages can't last against the templars. Hawke & co. can't make a difference. Orsino just wants to take as many mages with him as he can. That's all.

[TheCreeper]

In Exile wrote...

The thing is, the mages are screwed. Bioware fails to portray this, but basically the mages can't last against the templars. Hawke & co. can't make a difference. Orsino just wants to take as many mages with him as he can. That's all.

No they aren't. Every Last Circle rebelled after the events in Kirkwall and parts of Chantry (parts which answer directly to divine no less) want to try to reach settled peace badly. If the mages had no chance of winning this war Cassandra would not have even bothered.

[Gabey5]

he felt the mages were doomed and if he is too die its better to take the templars with him

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

This game makes it difficult to support the mages. It seems almost every mage you try to help turns into an abomination or attacks you with blood magic..

[In Exile]

TheCreeper wrote...
No they aren't. Every Last Circle rebelled after the events in Kirkwall and parts of Chantry (parts which answer directly to divine no less) want to try to reach settled peace badly. If the mages had no chance of winning this war Cassandra would not have even bothered.

The mages in Kirkwall have no chance, but that's a situation unique to Kirkwall. Repressed mages via tranquility, an overpowering templar presence.. Orsino makes it clear there is no hope if you speak to him. The goal is for mages to escape elsewhere and get every single in the Marches and beyond to rise against the Chantry genocide.

[Pileyourbodies]

There are 3 circles that are pretty much knocked out.
The fereldan circle got wtfpwned just 6 years before the revolution so i doubt the Fereldan circle is putting up a fight
The kirkwall circle gets wtfpwned as well
the Starkhaven circle got burned down or something along those lines
That is 11 circles left. Orlais is the circle of power so I doubt the orlesian circle would have gotten very far, the other 10 circles might have gotten far but no matter what a lot of mages will die, while its easy to train new templars mages need to be born so no matter what there will be a lot less mages at end of the day.

[LobselVith8]

Shinian2 wrote...

This game makes it difficult to support the mages. It seems almost every mage you try to help turns into an abomination or attacks you with blood magic..

In comparison to the templar Ser Kerras who was raping the male mage Alim you rescue with Ser Thrask, the female mage who was threatened with rape by a templar when she was made tranquil, the tranquil mage who didn't remember her lover and said she gets her "orders" from Knight-Captain Cullen, the templars who try to murder the nobles who want to see Knight-Commander Meredith removed from her position, el. ect. It's not one-sided. Both groups have their faults.

[Sabariel]

99% of the people present in DA2 deserve a punch in the jaw, I swear...

[Mr.Skar]

Orsino going all flesh golem on me at the end was a little annoying to say the least. it didn't make any sense beyond having another boss to fight. I did not make the connection between him and the Lily killer till this thread though, that adds another interesting element to the whole questioning his sanity pre-Endgame thing.

Still, even with all the crazy blood mages I just couldn't side with the templars and how they did a lot of bad to the mages in there care :/.

[Pileyourbodies]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

This game makes it difficult to support the mages. It seems almost every mage you try to help turns into an abomination or attacks you with blood magic..

In comparison to the templar Ser Kerras who was raping the male mage Alim you rescue with Ser Thrask, the female mage who was threatened with rape by a templar when she was made tranquil, the tranquil mage who didn't remember her lover and said she gets her "orders" from Knight-Captain Cullen, the templars who try to murder the nobles who want to see Knight-Commander Meredith removed from her position, el. ect. It's not one-sided. Both groups have their faults.

Kerras did bad yes.
Arlik did bad yes.
Mages arn't supposed to do connections like that, they're like Jedi in that way and she got punished by being made tranquil. It isn't known if she went through the harrowing so it might be unrelated to the illicit afair. Just because she gets orders from Cullen doesn't me cullen is abusing her sexually it just means shes his Attache.

[LobselVith8]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

Kerras did bad yes.
Arlik did bad yes.
Mages arn't supposed to do connections like that, they're like Jedi in that way and she got punished by being made tranquil. It isn't known if she went through the harrowing so it might be unrelated to the illicit afair. Just because she gets orders from Cullen doesn't me cullen is abusing her sexually it just means shes his Attache.

I never made the claim Cullen was abusing her, I addressed that she has no agency of her own.

[Pileyourbodies]

My mistake but the "orders" really makes it look like you're implying something naughty.

[Persephone]

unspoken_demise wrote...

I didn't feel so bad about taking him down once he referenced the killer. And by "didn't feel so bad," I mean, "I should have ended you earlier, you pr*ck!"

To tell you the truth, I felt horrible for siding with Meredith until that reference came up. Doesn't Orsino KNOW whom the Lily Murderer killed? Granted, some say he was so far gone and desperate, anything to survive......but that was crossing the line a million times over. Both Meredith and Orsino were insane. Both had an ounce of tragedy and both did what they thought they had to. But God, they make me sick. The Archdemon was your standard "Kill the dragon!" issue. This........cuts deeper.

[M_arc]

Yeah the only calm and sensible guy, with a badass character design, suddenly became an accessory to multiple homicides, used blood magic of the worst kind and suddenly went all Harvester mode on me! 0___0

Ah well at least I got his staff..

[Pileyourbodies]

The Arishok was pretty calm.

[Mahrdol]

It was annoying to have him go crazy when that fight was basically over. It would have been much better as a cut scene where he joines you in the court yard before the final fight. Changes and slaughtered dozens of templars so you have a chance to win. Then have the templar **** slay him to give her more creedence as a threat.

They were probably short on time and money so they figured it was easier to just have him go harvester to tidy everything up. Choices are only an illusion in DA:2. Almost everything plays out the same. That final battle was too easy. I enjoyed the high dragon and the Arishok fight much more.

[Randy1012]

I didn't have a problem with Orsino going all whacko at the last minute, but it really needed to be developed better. Just hinting at it in a note isn't good enough, because a lot of people don't really read those. Instead it just seems kind of random and out of the blue. It also would have worked better if he'd gone all blood magey while there were Templars around, instead of after we'd fought off that first wave.

[Kerilus]

He saw no hope for his fellow Circle mages, and in despair gave in to blood magic. The scene when he transformed was absolutely beautiful, that scene embodies the hopelessness and sorrow of the mages in Kirkwall. So yes, that scene makes perfect sense. Those of you who don't think so should take a closer look at the story or be more empathetic for the mages.

[Kerilus]

Mahrdol wrote...

It was annoying to have him go crazy when that fight was basically over. It would have been much better as a cut scene where he joines you in the court yard before the final fight. Changes and slaughtered dozens of templars so you have a chance to win. Then have the templar **** slay him to give her more creedence as a threat.

They were probably short on time and money so they figured it was easier to just have him go harvester to tidy everything up. Choices are only an illusion in DA:2. Almost everything plays out the same. That final battle was too easy. I enjoyed the high dragon and the Arishok fight much more.

No, the fight was hardly over. They have the whole world of Templars and the Chantry behind them to fight.

Modifié par Kerilus, 18 mars 2011 - 07:30 .