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[jds1bio]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Mature enough for a game with incredibly bland and clichée characters that are all bisexual for marketing reasons alone? A game with more exploding corpses than Unreal Tournament to attract younger players?

If you want to see whether someone is mature enough for a game, you'd need a mature game first.

Which game would you offer as a true test of maturity then?

[stu117]

ROFL talk about drama queen! "are gamers mature enough to" BLAH BLAH BLAH I hardly doubt any real gamer considers games based on whether they think the game is for a mature audience or not. Liking or disliking a game has nothing to do with maturity. Crazy ass dramatic reactions show how mature some people are but thats just the crazies on the forums jeeze

[johook213]

How do you measure the maturity of a game? I could point out that some people think of games in general as immature. Some people hear "magic" and "dragons" and think "silly fantasy". I personally think that some peoples' reactions to DA2 is very immature. lol

[FellowerOfOdin]

K12aze wrote...

About the bisexuality how is that immature? Would it be easier to think of it as if your male some charchters are gay and some are not? And if you are playing a female those roles are reversed? I think by allowing people to pursue the LI they want is actually pretty progressive (as well as a time saver as they only needed to have one set of dialogue ready to go) I just fail to see how it makes any impact on the game.

It's not about the fact that there are bisexuals in the game, it's about everyone being bisexual for marketing reasons alone.

jds1bio wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Mature enough for a game with incredibly bland and clichée characters that are all bisexual for marketing reasons alone? A game with more exploding corpses than Unreal Tournament to attract younger players?

If you want to see whether someone is mature enough for a game, you'd need a mature game first.

Which game would you offer as a true test of maturity then?

Not a single game. They are called "games" for a reason.

[Brenus]

K12aze wrote...

About the bisexuality how is that immature? Would it be easier to think of it as if your male some charchters are gay and some are not? And if you are playing a female those roles are reversed? I think by allowing people to pursue the LI they want is actually pretty progressive (as well as a time saver as they only needed to have one set of dialogue ready to go) I just fail to see how it makes any impact on the game.

Because wanting to have sex with ingame NPCs is a retarded enough idea, and hardly appealing to mature people, or even to any teen that knows how to google for free porn.

[stu117]

Brenus wrote...

K12aze wrote...

About the bisexuality how is that immature? Would it be easier to think of it as if your male some charchters are gay and some are not? And if you are playing a female those roles are reversed? I think by allowing people to pursue the LI they want is actually pretty progressive (as well as a time saver as they only needed to have one set of dialogue ready to go) I just fail to see how it makes any impact on the game.

Because wanting to have sex with ingame NPCs is a retarded enough idea, and hardly appealing to mature people, or even to any teen that knows how to google for free porn.

Ah google porn Heavy risk.......but the suprise!!!!!

[K12aze]

The vast majority of the time the bisexual chars have a thing for hawke but otherwise have a single preference from what I've seen so far. They also made hawke look like the typical "hero" as well for marketing sake but not seeing a lot of outrage about that. Or that yet anouther games box cover hero is a male. Funny how things done for the sake of the marketing gods only offend those with perceived slights

[Maderas_]

What is the point of this thread, exactly? You act as if you want some sort of open discussion, yet as far as I can tell your post basically implies that anybody who criticizes DA2 is either immature or too stupid to be capable of appreciating the game.

And it isn't a good analogy to compare a board game to a video game. I'm sure people who enjoy chess don't want any unnecessary complexity added to the game, but over the past ten years or so there are certain things that the video game demographic have come to expect from a title. Reusing the same four or five maps throughout an entire game is not one of them.

[K12aze]

From what I gather it's less about the reuse of maps and more about the very over the top threads about wanting nudity and the freak out over the sexuality by a portion of the fanbase IMO I could be wrong and if I am I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough

[jds1bio]

Maderas_ wrote...

What is the point of this thread, exactly? You act as if you want some sort of open discussion, yet as far as I can tell your post basically implies that anybody who criticizes DA2 is either immature or too stupid to be capable of appreciating the game.

And it isn't a good analogy to compare a board game to a video game. I'm sure people who enjoy chess don't want any unnecessary complexity added to the game, but over the past ten years or so there are certain things that the video game demographic have come to expect from a title. Reusing the same four or five maps throughout an entire game is not one of them.

My post implies nothing, but poses a question.  I cite two examples of how approaching DA2's features with maturity could lead to an enjoyable experience with the game.  It's not a guarantee.  But the way someone goes about and criticizes a game does say a lot about their maturity.

As for the analogy, why isn't it ok to make?  They're both games. As far as complexity in chess, what is unnecessary to one person who just wants to play in the park may be necessary to a grandmaster.

[yellow cake]

its not about being mature to enjoy the game. maturity is little based on fact and alot based on an opinion when it comes to content in anything. the reason why people are not enjoying the game is because it did not live up to what people expected from a bioware game or what they wanted from da:o. yes they did upgrade some things and they downgraded things and anytime a game goes backwards on anything people complain.

[K12aze]

And perhaps that speaks to how good of game DAO is that it was able to attract a wide audience that has such varied tastes. However it is fair to question maturity based on some of the extreme reactions in various threads. Anything from this is the greatest thing ever to worst thing since ET( a questionable refrence as I wonder how many posters were born when it came out) on the atari to outright holy wars. We all may benefit from stepping back and taking a deep breath.

[yellow cake]

"taking a step back only leaves you behind." besides the "step backs" were quality issues instead of going back to core elements of a game.
super mario rpg > all

[jds1bio]

As for the extreme reactions in the threads, I'll just say this and then let it go:

For some this game may be the best video game they've played to date, played on the happiest day of their life. I can believe that this true for at least ONE person in the world, but not necessarily millions.

For some this game may be a letdown (big or small) compared to DA:O. I can believe that this is true for thousands of people who both like DA2 and for people who do not like DA2.

For some people who say they HATE DA2, or think the game is ball-achingly dull, or think the game belongs buried in the desert next to the pile of ET cartridges, I don't believe these for a second.

You may not like the companies that made the game, or you may feel cheated out of a grocery bill's worth of money, but there's no reason for one person to harbor hatred for a measly video game. You may think the game is dull, but nothing has ever been so dull in my life that my balls started to ache from it, and I doubt yours are. You may want this game to be buried, never to be seen again, but it benefits you in no way whatsoever if this happens.

[yellow cake]

lol was wondering how long people would stick this out it has been and is funny imo

[K12aze]

at any rate I understand that some find the quality issues to be game breaking. I was able to work around it. Would it have been nice had the issues been solved? Nobody will argue that. However the over the top threads with people demanding free DLC as an apology or wanting graphic sex scenes as dlc it's fair to question the maturity of some

[christrek1982]

jds1bio wrote...

And I'm not talking about the M rating or the behavior of some forum users.  I'm talking about the game's subject matter and its gameplay. 

In some respects it is much easier to see ourselves in a purely good vs.evil. scenario (like in Origins), where no matter our deepest flaws, we are clearly the good guy. We may also enjoy dressing up our characters in different armors like they are dolls, and when we lose such an ability in DA2, we are really losing the ability to control.  Perhaps some gamers are being confronted with these situations for the very first time in their lives, and don't quite have a handle on them yet.  But analyzing these situations help us understand ourselves, and perhaps that is what scares people the most about this game.

Anyone who has ever been screwed over by a family member, suffered a family loss, or had to make a decision regarding another family member's health will recognize that the writing and the treatment the characters are given in DA2 is completely plausible, and just may hit home for some of you like it did for me.   For my first playthrough, with a party made up of mostly women who have lost greatly, but still find something to live for, the experience has been like no other in gaming so far. 


As for the gameplay, there have been lots of complaints over the
oft-used settings where the combat takes place.  Well, consider a
different game for a moment, like chess.  Do chess players complain
about chess because it's the same board over and over?  Or that the
opening moves are always the same ones?  Or that the chess pieces are
always coming from the same place?  Or that the game doesn't allow them
to plan ahead as easily as they did with the last game (checkers)?  No. 
Chess players allow their maturity to guide them to discover the grand
depth of the game locked inside an an 8x8 square.



So what do you think?  Are gamers mature enough for DA2?

OK lets look at the
chess thing first if you mean that although the area may look the
same each fight may turn out different then i agree but if i have
miss understood then feel free to correct me.

as for the story
yes I do agree for 2 reasons or rather 2 people avalin and marrel and
this is why I thought that avalin was unfeeling a bit butch until the
conversation I had after the death of hawkes mother and she told me
of her father that relay touched me and changed my entire opinion of
her(that never happened to me in a game before) and finally marrel
and the way she lost everything because of her pride and although she
was trying to help and had the best of intentions she couldn't see
what she was doing to her and the people around her. the way she
seemed genuinely stuned when it all came crashing down. The pan tha
she felt when she finaly relised what she had done and lost and her
clan rejected her but I would of liked another chat where hawke could
confort her or sculd her to finidh it all of.




And finaly I loved how
it all came together at the end but an epilogue like in DAO would of
be grate and just made the story spot on

Modifié par christrek1982, 18 mars 2011 - 12:04 .

[2papercuts]

jds1bio wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Mature enough for a game with incredibly bland and clichée characters that are all bisexual for marketing reasons alone? A game with more exploding corpses than Unreal Tournament to attract younger players?

If you want to see whether someone is mature enough for a game, you'd need a mature game first.

Which game would you offer as a true test of maturity then?

played Braid?

I wouldn't say its a test but its a good game

Modifié par 2papercuts, 18 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[jds1bio]

2papercuts wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Mature enough for a game with incredibly bland and clichée characters that are all bisexual for marketing reasons alone? A game with more exploding corpses than Unreal Tournament to attract younger players?

If you want to see whether someone is mature enough for a game, you'd need a mature game first.

Which game would you offer as a true test of maturity then?

played Braid?

I wouldn't say its a test but its a good game

Yes.  That's a game that challenges you long after the gameplay is finished.

[mtripp]

Jim_uk wrote...

I'd turn that around and ask is Dragon Age mature enough for gamers, those who are old enough to buy the game themselves. Huge jugs, exploding enemies and over simplification suggests not.

Your statement implies that mature people only enjoy small jugs.  That is simply erroneous.

[2papercuts]

jds1bio wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

played Braid?

I wouldn't say its a test but its a good game

Yes.  That's a game that challenges you long after the gameplay is finished.

see thats a game that is consistent with its gameplay matching its tone and theme

a deep story that makes you think is told through gameplay that makes you think, creating a great, "mature" game

Modifié par 2papercuts, 18 mars 2011 - 12:11 .

[Blacklash93]

jds1bio wrote...

As for the gameplay, there have been lots of complaints over the oft-used settings where the combat takes place.  Well, consider a different game for a moment, like chess.  Do chess players complain about chess because it's the same board over and over?  Or that the opening moves are always the same ones?  Or that the chess pieces are always coming from the same place?  Or that the game doesn't allow them to plan ahead as easily as they did with the last game (checkers)?  No.  Chess players allow their maturity to guide them to discover the grand depth of the game locked inside an an 8x8 square.

That's completely true.

In fact, why doesn't Bioware just give us a set party with only a few talents and make the exact same enemies appear for every encounter? That's how chess works too, right?

[jds1bio]

Blacklash93 wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

As for the gameplay, there have been lots of complaints over the oft-used settings where the combat takes place.  Well, consider a different game for a moment, like chess.  Do chess players complain about chess because it's the same board over and over?  Or that the opening moves are always the same ones?  Or that the chess pieces are always coming from the same place?  Or that the game doesn't allow them to plan ahead as easily as they did with the last game (checkers)?  No.  Chess players allow their maturity to guide them to discover the grand depth of the game locked inside an an 8x8 square.

That's completely true.

In fact, why doesn't Bioware just give us a set party with only a few talents and make the exact same enemies appear for every encounter? That's how chess works too, right?

Actually yes, that is how chess works.  You have a set party, each member has only a certain set of moves, and your enemies are merely a photo negative of your party.  And look at how many strategies, openings, endgames, gambits, etc. have been created over the years from such a simple set.

The videogame that comes closest to chess in these terms is Starcraft.  Except we now record our strategies on Youtube instead of in a book. 

So it's totally been done in a video game, and Bioware could do it also.  And who knows, perhaps they have done this with DA2, but we won't know until we play it for a while, will we?

[Darth Executor]

K12aze wrote...

About the bisexuality how is that immature?

Because it's fan service. It's there to let kiddies get their rocks off at pixelated charactes awkwardly simulating sex.

Would it be easier to think of it as if your male some charchters are gay and some are not?

I am not in the habit of denying reality.

And if you are playing a female those roles are reversed? I think by allowing people to pursue the LI they want is actually pretty progressive (as well as a time saver as they only needed to have one set of dialogue ready to go) I just fail to see how it makes any impact on the game.

Since when did progressive = mature? What do the words even have to do with each other? And how is pursuing a love interest in a video game mature? DA 2 (and 1 for that matter) is the video game equivalent of a frat party.

[Lotto]

i love the comments claiming that gamers are sooo immature....but you're not? right.

some of you guys should look up the term "illusory superiority"