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[Gamer Ftw]

Glorious epic bloody revolution!
I have been wanting justice since origins for all the bull the chantry pulled.
Also Anders is my new favorite character we made the world quake woot.

[lockdown51]

Its simple not to love the game. Its a good game to be sure but really doesn't stand up to DAO as far as scale, scope and your effect in the game. Also it seems a lot less polished which detracts from the overall feel of awesome.

The mind numbing repetition of using the same over used layouts for different things just kill the sense of scale. Even traveling out of the city gets you visiting layouts you saw in the city. Additionally, the fact you have to learn where everything is in the city after you supposedly spent a year there already detracts from it. And if you boil it down, Anders was really just possessed and pissed off over his cat.

I'm running out of time but I will come back for a longer reply if you wish.

[Statulos]

Because it´s rushed and it could have been better than Origins. In its present state, it is not as good as its predecesor. Simple as that.

Modifié par Statulos, 17 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[Gamer Ftw]

weren't you tired of seeing the chantry bully so many people?
No game i have seen is as good as origins why not judge DA 2 on it's own merit?
Anders was the one not afraid to give his life for a cause.
I mean for me it was frustrating seeing the lot of mages and elves not get better no matter what.

[Halo Quea]

How you ask?

Because after all the running around in Kirkwall that Hawke does, you don't honestly feel like you've really had a real impact on events. The Mages and the Templars didn't need you to achieve the ending in DA2. They were always going to go insane and kill each other.

All the lives you saved? Defeating the Qunari? All of the interventions and tragedies (Leandra) really didn't matter. Kirkwall was always going to fall and you weren't allowed to keep it from happening.

Why didn't Hawke just seize the Viscount's position after defeating the Qunari? Instead after becoming Champion he continues to act like everyone's errand boy while the crisis balloons out of control. Being Champion was just an empty title.

[Gamer Ftw]

I think maybe you got a different ending than I did at the end of my game they said the other circles rose up as well. So my character and Anders caused revolution that could change Thedas.

[Statulos]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

weren't you tired of seeing the chantry bully so many people?
No game i have seen is as good as origins why not judge DA 2 on it's own merit?
Anders was the one not afraid to give his life for a cause.
I mean for me it was frustrating seeing the lot of mages and elves not get better no matter what.

In dramatic terms, Anders made a huge plot move, like it or not (I do not for many reasons, but that´s a different issue).

In overall terms, well, Dragon Age 2 could have been just a better game.

[Maria Caliban]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

How could anyone not love this game?

Madness.

[AmeriCanuck77]

Shortcomings aside (and those have all been duly noted and discussed), I do enjoy the game overall on its own merits. I'm finding it be even more enjoyable on my second time through the game. However, Bioware will have to step it up a bit for DA3 though because from a PR standpoint because they're taking quite a few hits from fans and critics for rushing this one out (it will be interesting to see how well received Mass Effect 3 is). Unfortunately, what is lacking from DA2 is going to be made up for with DLC so we'll have to shell out some cash. It would be nice if Bioware makes some it free or available to unlock. (steps down from soapbox)

[Gamer Ftw]

The only thing that really annoyed me is having to do quests with templars in them being a mage. And the fact they totally changed the elves. But overall awesome.

[Statulos]

How many RPG´s have you played? Just curious...

[Fishy]

Some of you are so obsseded to become the King or Viscount.I never knew politic was so cool . If i ever lived in a world such has dragon age i would be a pirates or an adventurer or even a farmer fighting goblin in the countryside before becoming some sort of bored to the gill viscount .

[Deylar]

Been stating this all over the place to threads like this:

As stated before I have a hard time with this game. Because I really really wanted to like this game. My expectations coming to play DA2 was low. I didn't think I was going to like because of what I read about. However, I found myself enjoying it in my first play through and I was having fun. But, disappointment set in.

My reasons:

-I didn't see the fleeing of Lothering as a Act. I saw it as Prologue. Get into Kirkwall and flee lothering was a Prologue.
So I saw the first missions you do in Kirkwall as Act 1. Then Act 3, I viewed it as Act 2. So when it ended up abruptly, I felt I was cheated.

-At first the recycled dungeons didn't bother me. And I didn't mind them. I was to into the story and the combat to really really care. But the abrupt ending, cliffhanger, and confusing dangling plot line left me feeling a little sour. Thus these little tripes began to bother me.

-The lack of an RPG feel I had no problem with. Actually played Fable and that lacks a traditional RPG formula. I actually didn't mind. All though I would have preferred to outfit my companions, I didn't mind because I can change their weapons. [finally figured out was wrong]

What happened was when I was first playing the game the Pros were outweighing the Cons. However, when it left me hanging and left me with so much holes the opinions on it switched and the Cons far outweighed the Pros.

Actually when I came into the game I was expecting very little and not to like it.

But when I played it I liked it, its what set up my high expectations.

But with the lack of my choices actually feeling as if they made any weight to the game, the very fact that I was forced to choose, but choosing really didn't affect anything, and the extremely cliffhanger ending I felt cheated.

DA2 was an expansion not a sequel.

[TyDurden13]

I approve of many of the changes - conversation wheel, longer time frame, episodic nature of the plot though, but for the steps forward, there were also some steps backward.

I like the game, but a lack of polish and narrowing of meaningful choices prevent me from loving it.

[Gamer Ftw]

Plus I love that they have robes that aren't robes.
I wore the notorious pirate robes until the end cause they were all swashbuckly.
But your actions do affect the world.

[hawat333]

Statulos wrote...

Because it´s rushed and it could have been better than Origins. In its present state, it is not as good as its predecesor. Simple as that.

That about sums it up.
I might add that we like the game. I certainly do. That's why we are talking about it. If someone truly hates something, in my experience they don't waste time to talk about it.
Some of us just miss the possiblities, potentials that were left behind because of the time restraints.
A great concept, an interesting narrative, an intriguing story, that is screaming of being rushed here and there.

[Statulos]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
But your actions do affect the world.

No. Qunari style.

-If you support the templars it does not matter, the circles revolt anyway.
-If you try to calm down Anders, it does not matter, he blows up the chantry anyway.
-No matter what you do with Sebastian, he never grows a pair and takes care of Starhaven.

You have the ilusion of influence, not real influence.

[Gamer Ftw]

If you support the mages a world revolution for mages start.

[Deylar]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
But your actions do affect the world.

In what way?

If I side with the mages, I have no alternate mage ending instead I have to kill the Orisno as well.

If I side with the templars, I have no alternate templar ending instead I have to kill Meredith.

I have no option to choose neither option. And be the nuetral party.

[Gamer Ftw]

you are only seeing the short term effect I mean at the end you achieved change in a geater scale.
assuming you didn't bow to the chantry.

[Medhia Nox]

Everyone got that ending - and I, for one, am pissed that I was never given any opportunity to stop it.

For my Hawke this story was one constant failure after another.

[Statulos]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

If you support the mages a world revolution for mages start.

And if not, it happens too.

[Andros_Hanarak]

hawat333 wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Because it´s rushed and it could have been better than Origins. In its present state, it is not as good as its predecesor. Simple as that.

That about sums it up.
I might add that we like the game. I certainly do. That's why we are talking about it. If someone truly hates something, in my experience they don't waste time to talk about it.
Some of us just miss the possiblities, potentials that were left behind because of the time restraints.
A great concept, an interesting narrative, an intriguing story, that is screaming of being rushed here and there.

I think the main issue people have with this game is the re-use of areas. From the get go we knew it was going to be in Kirkwall, why so many people were surprised by this is beyond me. I can compare this game to my PnP adventures years ago in Waterdeep, the advantage of PnP is that the DM can cook different areas in less time than a game developer. But it was still in a city and to make it more ridiculous, it had a super dungeon inside to make it interesting.

I also see that lots of people hated how you interacted with companions in Awakenings and in this game is the same system, the difference is that you need to visit each companion on their house or rented room. Again this should not have been a surprise when they mentioned this months ago.

I loved DA:O, I believe its an execellent game for a 1st or second playthrough. But when I started to replay the origins, I felt that The Circle area had a good pace until you enter the fade, Orzammar was great until you have to enter the Deep Roads to get to the anvil and the Brecilian Forest got boring on my 4th playthrough. I still play DA:O But I can see some of what I personally feel as flaws. I also understand not everyone is going to agree with me on those.

DA2 has a faster pace, I see the impact of my decisions, small as they are after each "Act" and the overall story I got what simply this: Had Hawke and family not reached Kirkwall, many of their problems might have been averted or a long way coming. Meredith going bonkers with the Idol was a consequence of you helping Bartrand get that Deep Roads Expedition going, but the blood mage invasion I blame on Bioware and the Templars.

And Orsino, WHY? Is all I will say on that matter.

[Deylar]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
you are only seeing the short term effect I mean at the end you achieved change in a geater scale.
assuming you didn't bow to the chantry.

Same ending for everyone.

And I have no play time after I beat the game.

Champion means nothing, btw.

I used this example once before. Look at a game like the Elder Scrolls Oblivion for a second. In Oblivion I could become a count and a guildmaster.

Countless times as a count, I was asked do I want to take this quest or have someone do it for me. Of course I choose I am going to do it, however, it still felt like I had power.

Same as a Guildmaster, I could set up budgest, control and influence a certain amount of people.

In DA 2 when I became Champion it feels as if I have no power. Its just some fancy title, but there is nothing really to do with Champion. There really is nothing of being a Champion. I influence no one. And I am still babysitting people.

Modifié par Deylar, 17 mars 2011 - 07:20 .

[Statulos]

Deylar wrote...
In DA 2 when I became Champion it feels as if I have no power. Its just some fancy title, but there is nothing really to do with Champion. There really is nothing of being a Champion. I influence no one. And I am still babysitting people.

And to add to that, you´re still poor like a rat. I cannot afford most of the fancy items when in Origins, it was hard, but you could get them.