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Sandal ain't important or even make any sense.He's just a joke that bioware`s doing ...
Come on he`s living in your frigging mansion for several years.

The Sandal`s a lie.

Modifié par Suprez30, 17 mars 2011 - 09:31 .


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No matter who or what he is. I'm sure he has some connection to Flemeth.

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Perhaps the developmental disorder that is linked with Savant Syndrome stopped the development of lyrium resistance and therefore he is able to use magic.

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Bondkakan wrote...

No matter who or what he is. I'm sure he has some connection to Flemeth.


She has apperantly visited him and I supect she knows what Sandal really are. It is also possible that they both are the same kind of creature (powervise).

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Killtime wrote...

Perhaps the developmental disorder that is linked with Savant Syndrome stopped the development of lyrium resistance and therefore he is able to use magic.


This sounds familiar. I thought I read somewhere that because of Sandal's syndrome, his time in the deep roads gave him some kind of lyrium poisoning, which is why he was perceived to be mentally challenged. If you notice, in DA2, he seems a lot more cognizant and talkative. The explanation for this was that his time away from the deep roads and lyrium allowed him to regain some of his mental fortitude. Whether that was simply just speculation, and I'm repeating it, I couldn't say.

Sandal does make his own explosives. When he asks for salamanders, Bodahn says, "don't do it, I think that's where the boom comes from", or something to that effect.

The frozen ogre? I'm not sure about that, but maybe he does have magic in his blood...somehow. We don't know his actual lineage, but if he has anything to do with Flemeth, who knows.

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Except he states: "Not Enchantment"


The way I see it when Sandal say "Not Enchantment" he doesn't mean he didn't use an enchantment what he means is he uses a "not" enchantmnet which is some how the opposite of an enchantment. Hope you get what I mean.

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"One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

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First dwarfen mage. He's gotta be.

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Boradam wrote...

Sandal is Flemeth's son, it's the only possibe explanation.


I was thinking along similar lines. Im not sure he's her son, but related maybe? Similar powers?

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ArcaneHoplite wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Sandal is Flemeth's son, it's the only possibe explanation.


I was thinking along similar lines. Im not sure he's her son, but related maybe? Similar powers?


I thought if a human and dwarf reproduced, the child would appear human, like with an elven blooded child, as the human genes are dominant. Also, isn't it especially hard for a human and dwarf to have a child?
Think I read something about it a while ago.

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CommanderJessica wrote...

ArcaneHoplite wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Sandal is Flemeth's son, it's the only possibe explanation.


I was thinking along similar lines. Im not sure he's her son, but related maybe? Similar powers?


I thought if a human and dwarf reproduced, the child would appear human, like with an elven blooded child, as the human genes are dominant. Also, isn't it especially hard for a human and dwarf to have a child?
Think I read something about it a while ago.


Ive just got into the DA Universe, and still need to read all the lore.  I would have thought a human/dwarf mix, would result in a dwarf surely?, if thats even possible?  I base my original statement, purely on the fact that in DA2 (which I played 1st)  I just got the feeling that Sandal and this Flemeth are linked somehow?  Maybe siblings?

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ArcaneHoplite wrote...

Ive just got into the DA Universe, and still need to read all the lore.  I would have thought a human/dwarf mix, would result in a dwarf surely?, if thats even possible?  I base my original statement, purely on the fact that in DA2 (which I played 1st)  I just got the feeling that Sandal and this Flemeth are linked somehow?  Maybe siblings?



I agree, I think they're connected somehow too.
Ooh I searched and found this for you

David Gaider wrote...

Without getting into the "why" behind the elves-and-humans-produce-humans thing (which I've talked about before), I will talk about why we didn't deal with it in the game. Primarily it's because we didn't have room. There's a lot of things that exist in the Thedas world that we weren't able to get into in Origins -- part of it is due to limited resources, but part of it is also because to properly address it we'd need to do it justice. We were already introducing the races and their situations, and adding on the complexity of explaining something that does need explanation would... get us what, exactly? You can't play one of the "elf-blooded" (this is what humans with mixed parentage are generally referred to, though I imagine "half-elf" could also be used in a slanderous fashion), and trying to explain the presence of a small number of humans in the alienage (as a for-instance) would have diluted the story we were already going for. Trying to fit everything that exists into the world in one story, after all, isn't really feasible.

I'd like to get into it. I think it's a possibility that has the potential for good drama, and even allowing the player to be elf-blooded might be cool in the future. But like I said, I'd want to do it justice. If your view on it is that you wanted half-elves to be there, and their omission is a fault -- then so be it. I can't really argue with that except to say that we don't think they're required. As some people have mentioned, it's not a widespread thing. Many elves resist having human children for cultural reasons, and many elf-blooded children will live amongst humans as full humans simply because they can get away with it and hiding their heritage means not having to suffer for it -- from humans as well as elves. Some few might be public about their identity, and unwilling to leave their parents behind, but like I said that belongs in another story.

Incidentally, for half-dwarves the situation is a bit different. Dwarves aren't a very fertile race to begin with, and far less so when it comes to mating with humans and elves. In fact, it would be considered rare... rare enough that it's considered more of an oddity than a group of its own. The result is also less stigmatized... primarily because it's also less noticeable. You end up with what would appear to be a tall dwarf or a short human. That calls for a new model -- which we weren't going to get, even if we wanted to address such a rare case. Again, it's certainly something we could do in the future, though such a character would still be considered unusual.

I imagine for those who really like their half-elves that's not a very satisfactory answer, but I hope it offers some light on the why's and wherefore's.


Modifié par CommanderJessica, 19 juin 2011 - 01:18 .


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Thats very interesting, thanks. I would have said Sandal, is most definately odd. Hes not tall though. Maybe the link is not in a family sense then?

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*Wee spoiler for witch hunt*

We've learnt quite a bit about Dwarven history; the elves taking refuge in Cadash Thaig for one. So dwarves had access to mages for a time. Maybe something happened? Eh, who knows..

Also the Primeval Thaig. Everyone in the Deep Roads comments on how odd it is.

Maybe Sandal's reaaaaaaaaaally old or something? Maybe he's like Flemeth, not truly what he appears to be?

I hope we get answers! He's a great big mystery.

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Id say Sandal is much more than he appears to be. Unable to comment on Cadash Thaig at the present. I am about to set off in an attempt to find an Urn of ashes, to help heal the sick Arl. Will be able to speculate further, when I have played further into the story, and have a bit more insight.

Modifié par ArcaneHoplite, 19 juin 2011 - 05:58 .


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Am I remembering incorrectly or does Sandal give you a magic staff when you see him at the frozen ogre? Stone's breath or something? I always thought they meant to make that cold damage, or at least had something to do with the frozen ogre...

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 What if Sandal is the god child? to get past the fact that he would have to come from the future you can explain it that he's  a god and can be in whatever time period it wants to be. But then you would have to explain how he is in the world if the player didn't choose to produce a baby with Morrigan. 

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Flemeth is the first Blight's OGB


Sandal is the third Blight's OGB


The Warden has his own OGB

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It'd be funny if Sandal actually does nothing, and everything that happened around him was an accident caused by the darkspawn.

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Siradix wrote...

It'd be funny if Sandal actually does nothing, and everything that happened around him was an accident caused by the darkspawn.


that would be awesome lol 

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Boradam wrote...

Sandal is Flemeth's son, it's the only possibe explanation.

No, Sandal is Sub-Zero. That Ogre fell victim to a fatality but he forgot the smashing part of it.

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Faust1979 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

It'd be funny if Sandal actually does nothing, and everything that happened around him was an accident caused by the darkspawn.


that would be awesome lol 

He has a rune of misdirection that causes Darkspawn to get into wacky, and often times fatal, accidents?

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Sajuro wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Sandal is Flemeth's son, it's the only possibe explanation.

No, Sandal is Sub-Zero. That Ogre fell victim to a fatality but he forgot the smashing part of it.


Sandal replaced smashing with scratching his ass. Now everyone dies of laughter.

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Maric's promise to Flemeth in the first book was to get her pregnant... with a dwarf... it's a work in progress.

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Isn't there ice-blue veins of sorts (is it some sort of lyrium?) in the ceiling where the ogre is frozen? I thought the ogre was tricked into getting close to some sort of ice/lyrium burst and got frozen.