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[Sylvius the Mad]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Skyrim? Yes, it'll take GOTY on some sites but come on, they've taken the classes out of that game. If you thought DA2 was not an RPG and think Skyrim is, you're mistaken.

The other TES games weren't really class-based, either.  They just gave you some pre-made builds from which to choose.  That you could customise and build your own showed that they were skill-based RPGs, not class-based RPGs.

Combat will be terrible as well like with all of Bethesda's games.

I'll agree that Bethesda's combat is terrible.  Only Fallout 3 was any good at all (though I remember enjoying Arena).

[sympathy4saren]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

WoooDoggie wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Absolutely not. Game of the year will be one of the following:

Mass Effect 3
Portal 2
Crysis 2
L.A. Noire
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Battlefield 3
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Dragon Age 2 has zero chance

Shame on you for not mentioning Deus Ex Human Revolution.  It's pretty much a shoe-in.

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I think Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning could be the real sleeper. Not too much is known about the actual gameplay. But based on early information, and early observations, it will at least be a game that comes out of nowhere.

A fantasy RPG with full lore and story written by R.A. Salvatore...a massive, Elder Scrolls challenging open world with over 120 different dungeons with loot and obtainable side missions (outside quest and other side quests), colorful, unique, art directed by Todd McFarlane...

Those 2 names almost guarantee that Kingdoms of Amalur will be awful then.  Sad, really.  

They aren't designing the game, though. That would be Ken Rolston, lead designer of Oblivion when he worked at Bethesda.

Those two have never worked on a video game. They will certainly provide fresh air...which is a great thing.

Can't wait to see new stuff on Mass Effect 3...

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 17 mars 2011 - 11:21 .

[Brenus]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

List of games I love that were/are not really "GOTY" quality: Mirror's Edge, Civilization V, Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (or Calamity Trigger, for that matter), New Super Mario Bros., Goldeneye 007 (Wii), Half-Life Two Episodes One and Two, etc. etc.

Civ V game of the year edition is coming out soon already with all the DLCs that have been released so far :x

[Brenus]

Sylvius the Mad wrote..

I'll agree that Bethesda's combat is terrible.  Only Fallout 3 was any good at all (though I remember enjoying Arena).

Yet combat has never been what makes an RPG great, as most RPGs show.

[sympathy4saren]

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...
If you think this is a good game in the series where is your faith that this game can win goty?

I play it as a tactical turn-based game, and I'm having a blast. The characters are deeper, more real, and less schticky than Bioware has ever written before.

I respect your opinion, but many would be led to believe you have never seen the characterization in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Brenus wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote..

I'll agree that Bethesda's combat is terrible.  Only Fallout 3 was any good at all (though I remember enjoying Arena).

Yet combat has never been what makes an RPG great, as most RPGs show.

But bad combat can make an RPG unplayable.  I can't play The Witcher, for example, because I hate the combat.  I dislike ME2's combat, but ME2 had bigger problems.  I'm not enjoying DA2's combat, but I'm getting through it.

I thought NWN had really good combat.  That was fun.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

Brenus wrote...

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

List of games I love that were/are not really "GOTY" quality: Mirror's Edge, Civilization V, Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (or Calamity Trigger, for that matter), New Super Mario Bros., Goldeneye 007 (Wii), Half-Life Two Episodes One and Two, etc. etc.

Civ V game of the year edition is coming out soon already with all the DLCs that have been released so far :x

Well, I never saw it get any GOTY nods even for strategy games (mostly because of Starcraft 2), and teh rage on the Civ forums for V was probably worse than the rage here for DA2 even, so I did not get a GOTY impression from it.  Still love it though, when I have the time to go through a game of it nowadays.

[Fives]

No. I don't think it has a chance to win, let alone be nominated. It's a great game, but it isn't Game of the Year material. It could win best roleplaying game or something of that sort, but not game of the year. There are too many contending titles this year, and some of them are already looking better than this game. Then again, going to have to play those games to validate my claims. I'm going to guess Skyrim, Mass Effect III, Arkham City, The Last Guardian, and L.a. Noire; as of now, are all good contenders for game of the year. I'll have to wait to play them my self, however.

Ah, that's just my two cents.

[CitizenSnips]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Brenus wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote..

I'll agree that Bethesda's combat is terrible.  Only Fallout 3 was any good at all (though I remember enjoying Arena).

Yet combat has never been what makes an RPG great, as most RPGs show.

  I dislike ME2's combat, but ME2 had bigger problems.

I thought NWN had really good combat.  That was fun.

Like a metacritic score of 96 with a user review score of 9.0, winning tons of GotY and fan favorite awards? OK.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 17 mars 2011 - 11:59 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't see how Real-Time Strategy games and Turn-Based Strategy games could possibly be counted as part of the same genre.

Even if the Total War games do straddle the boundary.

[Sylvius the Mad]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Like a metacritic score of 94 with a user review score of 8.8, winning tons of GotY and fan favorite awards? OK.

Clearly I think those people wre wrong.

ME2 was bad, and it was worse when compared to the superior ME1 (which I also didn't like, but I can see that it was better).

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I don't see how Real-Time Strategy games and Turn-Based Strategy games could possibly be counted as part of the same genre.

Even if the Total War games do straddle the boundary.

I totally agree, and I prefer trun-based mostly a la Master of Orion and Civilization, but most gaming sites stick them together with RTS's which I cont really like anyhow.  Sins of a Solar Empire is one of teh few RTS's I do like, but that's because it has a lot of 4X qualities.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

I totally agree, and I prefer trun-based mostly a la Master of Orion and Civilization, but most gaming sites stick them together with RTS's which I cont really like anyhow. 

Even mainstream reviews and the game's own marketing often won't tell you into which group a strategy game falls.

But there's no way I'm playing an RTS game, because they're awful.  I've tried them.  I played Warcraft.  I played Age of Empires.  I played Homeworld.  And then I stopped, because I just didn't enjoy them.  At all.

[Blacklash93]

Not even close.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

I totally agree, and I prefer trun-based mostly a la Master of Orion and Civilization, but most gaming sites stick them together with RTS's which I cont really like anyhow. 

Even mainstream reviews and the game's own marketing often won't tell you into which group a strategy game falls.

But there's no way I'm playing an RTS game, because they're awful.  I've tried them.  I played Warcraft.  I played Age of Empires.  I played Homeworld.  And then I stopped, because I just didn't enjoy them.  At all.

I don't like Warcraft either.  Starcraft's ok, but I would never pay for it., just play my friends' copies once in awhile.  And most RTS's are crap, I agree.  I hated Homeworld and Age of Empires was meh.  I find that Turn-Based games give you the proper time to think and analyze large situations while RTS's try to make you react before you're ready.  Realism or not, I enjoy being able to step back and think about my next move, especially on scales like these.

But anyway /offtopic.  Sorry for derailing.

[Blacklash93]

Cyocide wrote...

Good game, if you can get past the Deja Vu.

Good game, if you can get past the Deju Vu.

Whoa. Anyway, GOTY? *Sten* No.

Deja vu?

Dragon Age 2 was more then different enough from Origins to avoid feeling like a repeat.

Unless you're speaking about the copy-paste areas... You're 110% correct on that.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 17 mars 2011 - 11:59 .

[Kastagir]

If DA2 were the only game released in 2011, it would likely not meet the requirements to win Game of the Year.

[Sanzee]

No

[Brenus]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

Brenus wrote...

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

List of games I love that were/are not really "GOTY" quality: Mirror's Edge, Civilization V, Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (or Calamity Trigger, for that matter), New Super Mario Bros., Goldeneye 007 (Wii), Half-Life Two Episodes One and Two, etc. etc.

Civ V game of the year edition is coming out soon already with all the DLCs that have been released so far :x

Well, I never saw it get any GOTY nods even for strategy games (mostly because of Starcraft 2), and teh rage on the Civ forums for V was probably worse than the rage here for DA2 even, so I did not get a GOTY impression from it.  Still love it though, when I have the time to go through a game of it nowadays.

It took me a while to remember where I found it, but I managed to get the link out of my browsing history:

uk.gamespy.com/articles/114/1141516p7.html

The GOTY version is here:

www.amazon.de/Take-2-Civilization-V-Game/dp/B004OHVFA4/ref=sr_1_1

If Civ V can be awarded the GOTY, then DA2 might stand a chance :x

Modifié par Brenus, 18 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

no

[wowpwnslol]

Not a chance. Too bad, though. It had potential to be great.

[Lord_Valandil]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Not a chance. Too bad, though. It had potential to be great.

Yup.
Wasted potential. Now it will be kinda difficult for DA3 to recover the hearts that DA2 broke.
In my opinion...DA2 is a good game, but far from the experience of Origins. 15 hours later and I'm still running around the same city, doing the same things (apparently all the sidequests involve killing a lot of people).
I mean, I'm enjoying it...but I can see why some people got bored.

[Maverick827]

I can see why some people get bored, but not why they didn't also get bored in DAO. Everything "boring" about DA2 existed in DAO to an extent; sometimes to a lesser extent, such as with recycled maps, and sometimes to a greater extent, such as with side quests.

[Anathemic]

No DA2 will not win Game of the Year award.

However keep in mind that Game of the Year awards are not directed at singles games, multiple games can have GotY awards in one year, look at 2010 with Red Dead Redemption and Mass Effect 2.

Skyrim will win GotY, why? Other than more dev time = quality, almost (if not every single one) title they release has won GotY.

Witcher 2 will be a contender with GotY (in my opinion will win it) and people who downplay this are simply delusional, look up a TW2 in youtube and I dare you to put a proper argument declaring it weak and unpolished.

Mass Effect 3 is a bit iffy for me, as we seen with DA2, and it didn't really have a huge dev time (like 1-2 years?) but again ME2 didn't have a huge dev time, we'll have to wait and see but I'm not betting on anything here.

If Diablo 3 is released in 2011 it will win GotY for sure or atleast PC Game of the Year (SC2 did last year, go figure).

Dungeon Siege 3 looks promising and if Diablo 3 isn't released this year I can see it contending and winning GotY for 2011.

That's all the game I'm looking forward to really (with the exception of ME3), the rest like Crysis 2 and Portal 2 I haven't much experience with their franchise (AKA not playing their predecessors) so I've no opinion on them or care to form one for that matter.