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[opposition01]

Orsino I found it really hard to time my abilities to take advantage of the Stagger or Brittle effects. They just lasted so damn short on him. I'd hit pause the slit second I saw the indicator, activate the abiity, but by the time the hit went off it had already faded. Not like it mattered. Even without the combo damage multiplier, he still went down fast. Really, by that stage in the game, and I'd say everything from the defeat of the High Dragon on when I was able to upgrade with the better runes, everything jut became a slaughterfest. I actually quirked a brow and checked my options a few times to make sure I was still on Hard. The good thing about that though is I had no practical gameplay hesitations about gutting my healer like a traitorous pig when the time came

[MageTarot]

I didn't think rogue Hawke was less epic at all. On the contrary - when he's in full Champion gear he looks amazing (bonus points for the helm being a hood instead of the traditional plate helmet!)

I took just about every skill in the "Assassin" skill tree, combined it with some Shadow skills and upped his crit chance/crit damage chance every chance I got. Slotted Maker's Kiss with spirit damage rune (very few baddies have a resistance to spirit) and the Primeval Lyrium Rune (+23 attack speed) for extra evilness.

Now when he stealths and assassinates there's a good chance he'll one-shot his target...or at least do a good chunk of damage.

Modifié par MageTarot, 17 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[TJSolo]

Luke Barrett wrote...

My highest hit on a Rogue was ~48k on a mage enemy with Assassinate. Big Numbers = Epic right !!!???

Too true. It is particularly nice to have that 48k happen on a brittle Orsino.

[DarkZeroSF]

Rogue Hawke = GREATNESS! Having Twin Fang fully upgraded, And having spec'd out in Assassinate AND having Vendetta, Omg, one hit kills left and right, Rogue Hawke = BEST

[Tyrith]

Since this seems to be the rogue DW epic numbers thread thought id post my highest hit ^^

It was with Shadow/Assassin build with probably close to the best possible gear you can get at the time.

Also mark of death (-50% damage resistance), Hex of Torment (-25% damage resistance), Petrify (Brittle Status), and fully upgraded Assassinate so it benefits from 400% damage on brittle targets.

Modifié par Tyrith, 18 mars 2011 - 05:15 .

[sangy]

I think Rogue is more for a smart player. They have a lot at their arsenal, but to effectively make the most of their class you should know how to work it all out. I'm talking more about DW Rogues. I'm not very technically savvy (yes, I'm weak sauce) in general.

I am working on a Rogue as an archer. It's very easy to deal lots of damage and not take a beating since I'm not wearing the heaviest armor, using the defensive stats like "con" and not up close to the mobs. So far rogue archer and damage dealing mage (my favorite) are most enjoyable.

Modifié par sangy, 18 mars 2011 - 05:43 .

[Adynata]

For me rogue was most epic, to the point I got so bored of mage that I went back to rogue again. It's just too bad you can't dual wield a warrior like you could in DA:O.

[Sedamian]

2H warrior is pretty OP though. You get faster attack speed than rogue and all your hits are aoe, plus you can tank every boss no problem. 1 shot aoe normal mobs easy and use stagger to set up comboes left and right.

[TG-Nalfen]

 Faster than rogue attack speed? you high??

So yeah, if you like big numbers... Rogue hands down



Mark of Death -50% resistance (fully upgraded)
Hex of Torment -25% resistance
Entropic Cloud -25% resistance (death cloud upgrade)
Arcane Poison -15% Magical resist (nature damage dagger)(on allies)
Mighty Offence Potion +10% dmg (on hawke)
Brittle +50% critical damage (not using Petrify since it adds 20% resist)
Pinpoint Precision +25% critical damage
Disorienting Criticals +25% critical damage when obscured (plenty of ways to do this)
Blindside +20% damage when enemy not targeting rogue
Assasinate +400% dmg vs Brittle targets (fully upgraded)
Devious Harm + Gear +274% critical damage @ 68 cunning

Modifié par TG-Nalfen, 18 mars 2011 - 08:24 .

[naughty99]

TG-Nalfen wrote...

 Faster than rogue attack speed? you high??

So yeah, if you like big numbers... Rogue hands down

Holy crap! 

I see 89k +51k
are both of those numbers from the Rogue's daggers with Assasinate?

good lord...and the dude is still alive? or did that kill him?

Modifié par naughty99, 18 mars 2011 - 09:09 .

[LordAsael]

Trying to level through the earliest portion of the game on nightmare is a real pain in the arse at times. Though I admit I sometimes get too involved in the slashy slashy and forget to take care of other troubles.

[atheelogos]

Need help. Should I go dual daggers or bow. Which one is better?

[TG-Nalfen]

naughty99 wrote...

TG-Nalfen wrote...

 Faster than rogue attack speed? you high??

So yeah, if you like big numbers... Rogue hands down

Holy crap! 

I see 89k +51k
are both of those numbers from the Rogue's daggers with Assasinate?

good lord...and the dude is still alive? or did that kill him?

Yeah both numbers are from Assassinate : mainhand is a nature damage dagger thus the green dmg and offhand is physical.

Yeaap it survived.... one of the few in game that can showcase double assasinate dmg numbers (usually first hit kills)

[Risien]

How hard is it to get all those effects and debuffs stacked up at the same time?

[Graunt]

I just can't see a Rogue being able to not only control the field, but wipe it out in a matter of seconds like a Mage can.  No doubt they are the best single target damage dealers...by a large margin, this is mostly irrelevant outside of boss fights when most of the game consists of giant wave after "ANOTHER WAVE!".  30s - 45s single target abilities don't matter one bit in these situations.  About their best use is killing other Assassins.  It also doesn't matter if you can do 48k crits on something that only has 5k health.  Can a Rogue hit 5-6 targets at the same time for 3300 damage?

Modifié par Graunt, 18 mars 2011 - 11:41 .

[TG-Nalfen]

Very hard; you can be lazy and just go for Mark of Death + Assassinate on Brittle, that yields an easy 40-50k/20-25k anyway

[TG-Nalfen]

Graunt wrote...

I just can't see a Rogue being able to not only control the field, but wipe it out in a matter of seconds like a Mage can.  No doubt they are the best single target damage dealers...by a large margin, this is mostly irrelevant outside of boss fights when most of the game consists of giant wave after "ANOTHER WAVE!".  30s - 45s single target abilities don't matter one bit in these situations.  About their best use is killing other Assassins.  It also doesn't matter if you can do 48k crits on something that only has 5k health.  Can a Rogue hit 5-6 targets at the same time for 3300 damage?

Most large waves consist of mostly critters with a few normal and 1-2 elites+

With a rogue, you have 2 options

1- jump from critter to critter to mow them down quickly while your tank grabs the elites and normals then set up some CCC to bring down the elites+

2- use a warrior or mage to bring down the critters fast while your rogue takes out the 1-2 elite+ then refocus your rogue on the normal enemies.

Personally i prefer option 2, i can one shot any rogue/mage in the game so the high damage enemies are taken care of before they can do serious damage, it also keeps me outside of the AoE and large swings of the 2h warrior

With a regular tank (read one that can take damage but does not deal much); option one is preferable, that tank can grab everything and offtank while your mages lend support leaving you time to jump all over the place killing critters.

Also this is for an Assasin rogue, other rogues will play differently

Note: Isabella is the only rogue that can do a 3k-4k aoe+stun attack, so if you're in the market for AoE bring her along

Modifié par TG-Nalfen, 18 mars 2011 - 11:52 .

[GoldarkZ]

Graunt wrote...

I just can't see a Rogue being able to not only control the field, but wipe it out in a matter of seconds like a Mage can.  No doubt they are the best single target damage dealers...by a large margin, this is mostly irrelevant outside of boss fights when most of the game consists of giant wave after "ANOTHER WAVE!".  30s - 45s single target abilities don't matter one bit in these situations.  About their best use is killing other Assassins.  It also doesn't matter if you can do 48k crits on something that only has 5k health.  Can a Rogue hit 5-6 targets at the same time for 3300 damage?

You certainly did not play rogue in this game lol.  I have 94 % critical chance  at the end and around 250% critical dommage. So ennemies with 3300 hp are easy target even in group. One ennemies twin fang(dead) second one assassinate (dead) third one backstab (dead)  you want me to continu lol ?  Group of ennemies in DAO 2 are pathetic, most of the time you have 3  to 5 normal ennemies and 1 to 3 elite . So lets say 8 ennemies, in less than 10 second the 3 elite are dead. (that's the bad ennemies normal are easy going and if normal are hard for you don't go playing nightmare lol). During this time your mage or archer (depend of your team) do 1 or 2 aoe in the normal mob that gather around your tank and pouf no more ennemies.

for me it feel pretty epic to do so much dommage in short time, and be able to kill mostly all boss with a well place assassinate . Mage are also really nice but like someone said, with a rogue you need to plan a little in advance and when your able to do that it's really epic .

( All 3 classes are good at some point so don't try to say one is better than the other. It's the style you play or the way you play that make a classes EPIC.)

[genocidal villain]

female rouge hawke looks badass

[RPGamer13]

I am playing an Archer Rogue Hawke as a throw away save and it's pretty epic, i get a critical every other attack on average, one shotting the weakest of foes and dealing huge damage to those that survive.

I also have over 125% Critical Damage at level 19.

[Graunt]

GoldarkZ wrote...

Graunt wrote...

I just can't see a Rogue being able to not only control the field, but wipe it out in a matter of seconds like a Mage can.  No doubt they are the best single target damage dealers...by a large margin, this is mostly irrelevant outside of boss fights when most of the game consists of giant wave after "ANOTHER WAVE!".  30s - 45s single target abilities don't matter one bit in these situations.  About their best use is killing other Assassins.  It also doesn't matter if you can do 48k crits on something that only has 5k health.  Can a Rogue hit 5-6 targets at the same time for 3300 damage?

You certainly did not play rogue in this game lol.  I have 94 % critical chance  at the end and around 250% critical dommage. So ennemies with 3300 hp are easy target even in group. One ennemies twin fang(dead) second one assassinate (dead) third one backstab (dead)  you want me to continu lol ?  Group of ennemies in DAO 2 are pathetic, most of the time you have 3  to 5 normal ennemies and 1 to 3 elite . So lets say 8 ennemies, in less than 10 second the 3 elite are dead. (that's the bad ennemies normal are easy going and if normal are hard for you don't go playing nightmare lol). During this time your mage or archer (depend of your team) do 1 or 2 aoe in the normal mob that gather around your tank and pouf no more ennemies.

for me it feel pretty epic to do so much dommage in short time, and be able to kill mostly all boss with a well place assassinate . Mage are also really nice but like someone said, with a rogue you need to plan a little in advance and when your able to do that it's really epic .

( All 3 classes are good at some point so don't try to say one is better than the other. It's the style you play or the way you play that make a classes EPIC.)

You obviously did not even read what was written.  I said at the same time.  And who cares about a build that only does great at the end of the game?  At level 18 I can instantly kill 5-6 non critter level enemies easily at the same time on Nightmare with no friendly fire and without having to do special setups like with Punishing Lance.  Assassins lose 75% or more of their health from this as well.  I'm not suggesting Rogues don't do nice damage, or that they can't take out priority targets the fastest, but they just can't match a Mage for trash, elites or no.

Modifié par Graunt, 19 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[SmokeyTheBear]

I can sum how he's just as epic up easily.

I stabbed somebody in the chest and they exploded in a gory mess, no bombs needed.

And I can smoke bomb behind people from 30 yards away to instantly explode them in the same fashion.

[Apathy1989]

Being able to teleport across the field, and drop a boss in a few bloody moves is awesome.

S+S warrior was dull, but I could tank everything.

Healer mage was dull, but again I could hilariously tank everything.

[Onnotangu]

Combo backstab and twintails for a nice chunk of damage.

[Helena Tylena]

MageTarot wrote...

I didn't think rogue Hawke was less epic at all. On the contrary - when he's in full Champion gear he looks amazing (bonus points for the helm being a hood instead of the traditional plate helmet!)

That was the only time in the entire game I had helmets displayed.
DW Hawke is epic in every way possible.