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[Gavinthelocust]

It's better this way, less immersion breaking to not see Morrigan's horrible bug eyes.

[unclee]

robtheguru wrote...

Best "romance" scene is from Heavy Rain...very well done. Take a note Bioware!

That has always puzzled me. The media made a big stink about a small, almost not even there amount of  side-boob in ME1, yet nothing was said about Heavy Rain (as far as I know) despite both being rated M.

[Thalorin1919]

I have the internet if I ever want to see "skin".

The scenes were fine. And when the characters went to kiss eachother, it was more realistic then any of Bioware's other games.

That was enough for me.

[fluorine7]

nah.... it's not about porn or sex. it's about my character sharing an intimate moment with LI character. According to your logic, no movie should have intimate emotional sex scene, since... hey why do you even need to see that? there're internet porns.

[ROD525]

The fade to black is tasteful but perplexing at the same time. I just finished hacking off limbs left and right but maker forbid I see a naked ass. Bioware cracks me up.

[MidNightPurple18]

I had thought the same thing about the love scene's. This game is rated m and should show a lil more, but hey I like how in dragon age 2 the charaters seem more intamit with eachother other than with origins. But there is nothing wrong with only seeing kisisng but at the same time it is almost tempting to watch the scene unfold a lil more. That is just how I feel.

[Lekwid]

The DAO romances were cool. You had people in their undies touching each other doing things that looked naughty and you had that music to go along with it. It seemed...appropriate. Not going too far but not being super lame crap. You're romancing some one after all, it has to feel kinda...romantic? It was ok, dry humping worked I guess.

ME romance scenes were more naughty. You know, side boobs, parts of people's rears, strange lighting, fog or mist or maybe steam...still, cool, better than DAO. The one size fits all underwear was annoying...and Morrigan would gain 100lbs whenever she was out of her dress.

Now with the censors on their rears, Bioware can't really do anything but cave if they want to go fetch that kiddy audience and get more sales. Shame.

[sgreco1970]

I dont get it either. I mean, im not asking for porn, but I felt like the church lady had gone to Bioware and slapped their hands with the ruler. I couldn't have felt more like Bioware assumed I was 12 years old.

[Dangerfoot]

Danjaru wrote...

But I do love the whole "you hit people so hard that they explode in a rain of blood.. You see your mother pieced together from bodyparts.. You have the possibility to kill a child.. But nudity, that's where we draw the line.."

Pretty much. The human body is vulgar unless it is being ripped into graphic, exploding shreds.

[DanielleTHM]

I just pretend that because Varric is telling the story, he doesn't know 100% of what happened, just some of the things leading up to it that your Hawke may have mentioned. I mean, he wasn't exactly in the room.

Also: Anders kiss was way steamier than two never nude characters awkwardly rolling around.

[Dangerfoot]

fluorine7 wrote...

nah.... it's not about porn or sex. it's about my character sharing an intimate moment with LI character. According to your logic, no movie should have intimate emotional sex scene, since... hey why do you even need to see that? there're internet porns.

Apparently everyone thinks that sex in art is only there to turn people on. Not because, you know, it's a part of life.

[Statulos]

fluorine7 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 and DA:O we get to see some skin. Now it's just Kiss... 2 people fall in bed, camera move back, fade to black.... and cut, we're good and back to normal. I mean, in DA:O I even get to see Loghain and Morrigan make out. 

I romanced Anders with my fem-Mage, and I heard with Sebastian you don't even get to kiss him or nothing.

Can any one tell me if all other LI is the same routine? I thought at least Isabella should have something special to look at. 

It´s kind of funny that I found Aveline´s smooch after you arrange her meeting with the guardsman much more tender than making love to Merrill in the friendship path. And well, Merrill in friendship romance is for the rest very sweet and tender.

[Lee337]

fluorine7 wrote...

nah.... it's not about porn or sex. it's about my character sharing an intimate moment with LI character. According to your logic, no movie should have intimate emotional sex scene, since... hey why do you even need to see that? there're internet porns.

And why show people getting shot? Fade out for that too, you can watch an action movie.
And all that running around? Watch a marathon race!
And what's up with  all that talking, watch a talk show if you wanna see people talk!
Indiana Jones explores so we can cut exploring out.
That way Bioware can concentrate on important things, like the comapny logos.

[durasteel]

fluorine7 wrote...
Anyways, maybe it's the way I put it in my OP. it's not about seeing more explicit sex, but rather a more intiment moment with my character and LI. I assume people who play this game are all over 18, then sex shouldn't be a taboo. I think Mass Effect series did a really good job with pre-rendered scenes. I just hope we could have more of those in DA games. 

Characters being naked is a useful tool for telling a story visually.  If one character is naked and the other one isn't, it communicates vulnerability, dominance/submission, or sometimes conveys strength or transcendence on the part of the character who doesn't need clothes or gear.  When two characters are shown naked together, it communicates intimacy and trust.  It is a bridge that is being crossed, if it is in the context of a romantic scene.

Take the marriage of Aveline as an example.  You see the disturbingly awkward first date, then years have passed and you are just casually informed that the two are married.  Hawke was, presumably, in attendance.  The player cognitively knows that Aveline now has a Mr. Aveline and is in a committed relationship which she seems happy with.  All of that is cognitive, though, and does not really trigger much in the way of feeling (at least, it didn't for me.)  When you compare that to seeing Liara and Shepard together, skin on skin, you can get a feel for the impact a scene like that has.  I'm know Aveline loves her husband, but I feel that Liara is in love with Shepard, and I believe that she would die for him.

Modifié par durasteel, 18 mars 2011 - 01:12 .

[Nuke1967]

When the flap over ME1 happened it would be a good indication things would be toned down. Last thing they want is a bunch of politicians going crazy thinking 6 year olds are watching Mario and the princess get it on. Most commentators and politicians don't get you see more skin and sex on primetime tv at night than in a mature rated video game.

[Statulos]

durasteel wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...
Anyways, maybe it's the way I put it in my OP. it's not about seeing more explicit sex, but rather a more intiment moment with my character and LI. I assume people who play this game are all over 18, then sex shouldn't be a taboo. I think Mass Effect series did a really good job with pre-rendered scenes. I just hope we could have more of those in DA games. 

Characters being naked is a useful tool for telling a story visually.  If one character is naked and the other one isn't, it communicates vulnerability, dominance/submission, or sometimes conveys strength or transendednce on the part of the character who doesn't need clothes or gear.  When two characters are shown naked together, it communicates intimacy and trust.  It is a bridge that is being crossed, if it is in the context of a romantic scene.

Take the marriage of Aveline as an example.  You see the disturbingly awkward first date, then years have passed and you are just casually informed that the two are married.  Hawke was, presumably, in attendence.  The player cognitively knows that Aveline now has a Mr. Aveline and is in a commited relationship which she seems happy with.  All of that is cognitive, though, and does not really trigger much in the way of feeling (at least, it didn't for me.)  When you compare that to seeing Liara and Shepard together, skin on skin, you can get a feel for the impact a scene like that has.  I'm know Aveline loves her husband, but I feel that Liara is in love with Shepard, and I believe that she would die for him.

That is my point. Aveline, with just a couple gazes, being unable to speak and a little voice tone change is far more communicative than making love to Merrill. I don´t think it´s a matter of clothes, it´s a matter of manners and Aveline comunicates better than any other character.

Nuke1967 wrote...

When the flap over ME1 happened it would
be a good indication things would be toned down. Last thing they want
is a bunch of politicians going crazy thinking 6 year olds are watching
Mario and the princess get it on. Most commentators and politicians
don't get you see more skin and sex on primetime tv at night than in a
mature rated video game.

The game is rated M. Nobody gives crap to Penthouse or Troma stuff because it´s seen by 13 year old kids. If mom and dad do not control what the kids are playing, it´s not Bioware´s fault and in fact, that should never stop the creativity of these guys.

Modifié par Statulos, 18 mars 2011 - 01:11 .

[Kerilus]

This is not about making it super hot or showing ******. This is about making it decent and not awkward to watch. I thought ME2 and DAO were bad enough, but apparently not.

[Nuke1967]

[quote]Nuke1967 wrote...

When the flap over ME1 happened it would
be a good indication things would be toned down. Last thing they want
is a bunch of politicians going crazy thinking 6 year olds are watching
Mario and the princess get it on. Most commentators and politicians
don't get you see more skin and sex on primetime tv at night than in a
mature rated video game.[/quote]
The game is rated M. Nobody gives crap to Penthouse or Troma stuff because it´s seen by 13 year old kids. If mom and dad do not control what the kids are playing, it´s not Bioware´s fault and in fact, that should never stop the creativity of these guys.

[/quote]

Oh I agree.

[Legbiter]

I don't really need to see simulated penetration for the gist of what's happening to be clear but your milage may vary.

[Melra]

I thought ME2 had good scenes as did DA2. I don't really need to see more, though Isabella could at least start taking clothes off, before it all fades to black.

Other than, that it was all fine. I didn't find it immersion breaking or awkward.

[Lee337]

Legbiter wrote...

I don't really need to see simulated penetration for the gist of what's happening to be clear but your milage may vary.

I don't think anybody asked for that?!

All that's being asked for is ME1 style stuff, the intimate scene rather than the awkward dry humping scenes. I did quite like some of the kiss scenes in DA2, some more of those would be nice, make you feel like you are in a relationship with real feelings and not just getting busy because thats what is expected do before the last mission.

[Statulos]

Legbiter wrote...

I don't really need to see simulated penetration for the gist of what's happening to be clear but your milage may vary.

Once again, it´s not the graphicality of the scene what counts, I simply think that ME1 did a better job of communicating passion than ME2, DA:O or DA2. Simple as that.

To give you an example of a scene that communicates better than lovemaking: when Isabela admits that she´s afraid of being loved, her eyes and expression communicate more and better than her wild ride.

Modifié par Statulos, 18 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[fluorine7]

There're several really emotional moments in this game. I really enjoy such moments, like when Anders come to me when mother died, or when Fenris warned me about Anders being selfish with his ideal... And I think Bioware did a really good job with Anders' kiss (didn't see other romance so can't say for other LIs). But I guess I just hope there'd be a bit more than just that one time. And I do believe it's part of the character development.

Like in ME 2, you can always go to Thane and have an conversation with him, sure the conversation end up into a loop, but it's still kind of nice, to be able to sit down and talk to him. Or, asking him to come to Captain's chamber and snuggle a bit~ it's really sweet.

I know it's kind of lame of me to get really emotionally attached with my character and LIs. I just can't help it.

[durasteel]

fluorine7 wrote...
I know it's kind of lame of me to get really emotionally attached with my character and LIs. I just can't help it.

I do it too.

[ToJKa1]

Nah, it just means the writing works for you. Sarcastic rogue (archer shadow assassin ) Lady Hawke is the richest concentration of win in a long time