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[RubiconI7]

This has been mentioned in other threads on other boards, but I have not seen one in the xbox secion.

I compiled the info with a goal of helping people currently experiencing this game breaking bug and in hopes that Bioware can find use in these info.
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No known way to prevent this bug but you can do the following to stop it from getting worse.

1. Do not save without Isabella/Sebastian in your active party.
2. Do not load a save without Isabella/Sebastian in your active party.

The only way to avoid this bug seems to be
1. Do not befriend them
2. Always have them in your party.
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Since the effect congregates with a rate of 5% per save, many people do not realize it until it is pretty late.

As explained below, the bug seems to be caused by the game not
being able to read a save properly. It does not recognize that Isa/Seb
is or is not in your party.
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Example:
Isabella gives you 5% attack speed increase, if you remove her from your party, save, and reload, you will get a 5% decrease in attack speed. This effects congregates and as you do this more often, your character will be come as slow as a snail.


Possible Cause and Solution

I beleive I know what is causing the Isabella/Sebastian friendship bugs.

If any of you load a game where they are NOT in your party, in the Hawke
section of your abilities you'll find that their friendship abilities
are still active, however they do not actually increase your attack
speed/damage resistance. But when you then next rearrange your party
these abilities WILL be removed reducing attack speed/damage
reasistance.

Also you will find that loading a save with these
comapnions in your active party WILL apply the attack speed/damage
resistance to Hawke, therefore when you remove them your stats will
return to normal.

Therefore I believe the problem seems to be
that when loading a save file it does not seem to correctly identify who
is in the active party, instead activating all friendship/rivaly
abilities regardless of active members but as Isabella and Sebastian's
are the only ones that affect Hawke's stats (and therefore are the only
ones visible in the Hawke section of abilities) these are the only ones
that are causing a problem.

To try this theory I have made two
sepearate save files; one with them and one without. Upon loading
without them my damage resistance is -15% but upon rearranging party it
reduces to -20%. Upon loading with them my damage resistance is -10% and
after rearranging party it goes back to -15%. I have also tried loading
without them several times and it ALWAYS decreases and using this
method i have reduced my damages resistance to -75% to thouroughly test.

Solution: DO NOT SAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE IASBELLA AND SEBASTIAN IN YOUR ACTIVE PARTY

Please could others try this and verify what I have found? Goes without saying to note your damage resistance beforehand.

It does not matter what class you are, who is in your party, how far
into the game etc. the problem is if you load a save file where Isabella
or Sebastian are not in active party. This is because on initially
loading the file all friendship/rivalry abilities seem to be active (but only the abilities of those in the active party are actually applied) untill
you next rearrange your party at which point it corrects itself. But
this correction is still counted as removing the abilities of the party
members not present. This also means it removes them from Hawke in the
case of Isabella/Sebastian which results in -5% from Hawke in an attempt
to remove the bonus (but this "bonus" is never actually applied if not in active party). As
these are the only ones altering Hawkes stats they are the only ones
causing problems. After it corrects itself the rest of your playthrough
should be fine untill you next load a file.

So
only save your game when Isabella and Sebastian are in your party as
then their effects will be applied correctly and therefore wont cause
negative stats upon the game correcting itself (assuming you have friendship with them of course)

Credit goes to S0ulS7orM

Some Intense Testing

  First thank you to all the gamers out there helping others to not suffer this problem or to work around it.

 
After about 4 hours of beta testing this game today without pay to find
out the core issue regarding "thumbs up", I have found an answer.

 
 I had a save on Act 1 right before Isabella became my friend (5
minutes before) so I used that to do all my testing. After befriending
her I recieved the "thumbs up" bonus as expected so I proceeded to the
next steps.

1. Went to Merrills house and switched isabella out of my party. Saved then reloaded to find out I did not have the bug.
Then I went to hawkes house checked to see that I did not have her bug,
reloaded the autosave (entering the house) and still did not recieve
this bug.

 2.  Reloaded Merrills house save (still no thumbs up and she is not in the party) put Isabella back in the party (thumbs up
is in abilites screen) then went to hawkes house. Checked status within
the house and the thumbs up was still there. So upon exiting the house I
put Isabella back in the party went to merrills house, switched
Isabella back out, saved then reloaded the save. Save reloaded isabella
is not in the party no bug.

3. Repeated all steps in step 2 until "then went to hawkes house". Checked status again and yes isabella
thumbs up is there, saved then reloaded the save. Isabella thumbs up is
still there. Went back to merrils house with isabella still in party,
switched her out then saved and reloaded. Thumbs up bug is there.

4.What caused the bug to start? Reloading a save while Isabella's thumbs
up is active inside hawkes residence? Really now ok beta tester lets
test this out without pay.

5. Misson "Birthright" in darktown outside anders clinic after step "2". Isabella is in party, saved and
then reloaded switched her out saved in then reloaded and no bug.
Remember this is right after step 2 so I have not produced the bug yet.

6.Go inside the mission "birthright" (the cellar) with isabella in the
party (with no party bug yet) it autosaves. Reload the auto save within
the mission, leave mission the go back to darktown next to anders
clinic, switch out isabella then save. Reload save (isabella is not in
party) and bam thumbs up is there. So what produced the bug? Reloading
the autosave inside the mission did it.

7. Did it really? back to step "5". Outside outside anders clinic. Saved with Isabella in the
party, reloaded save then switched her out. Saved again then reloaded
with no thumbs up bug. Went inside the mission "birthright" without
isabella in the party and it auto saves. Reload the auto save checked
the ability screen and NO Thumbs up BUG. Left mission back to darktown,
saved again reladed save still no bug with this woman not in the party.

8.Ok beta tester you are pretty good...how about you complete the mission
with isabella in the party (start of step 5 have not produced bug). Now
this misson at the end of it basically forces you to go to the hawkes
estate to confront you're uncle. Ok sounds like a plan....completed
misson after the convo in hawkes house I check the abilites screen to
see thumbs up. Went to merrills house switched isabella out, saved then
reloaded...no thumbs up bug.

9. But how?? Was it because you did not save or reload that save within a mission or hawkes place? Yes. Ok
what if you went to the wonded coast with isabella in the party, saved,
reloaded and went to the docks at day switched her out and reloaded.
Would you get the bug then? Yes. Why?

10. If you Reload any save that is inside a mission, hawks resdience, Kirkwall at night or outside
the city (sundermount wounded coast) you will recieve the bug with
isabella in your party. You can save with her in you're party and not
recieve the bug anywhere in kirkwall during the day, merrill and fenris
house, darktown. I tested this to death do us part...like you know a
free beta tester.

11. Isabella is not in my party right now after I completed the birthright mission. I have no thumbs up bug either
after having multiple reloads after saving with her not in the party.
You can save AnyWhere at anytime "without" her in the party and not
recieve this bug.

Please post this on the PC/360 fourms because I
cannot post there (ps3 baby). Have a great and wonderful night!! Hope
you enjoyed the show.../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png

Credit goes to BloodyRaw

Other threads of the same problem

http://social.biowar.../index/6459070/
http://social.biowar...index/6575152/4

Bioware is looking into it
http://social.biowar...index/6490404/1

Rob Bartel
I've updated the bug to confirm that it's cross-platform. Thanks for the reports!

Luke Barrett
It seems this is being caused, primarily, by Isabela's Thumbs Up buff
(max friendship). If you're seeing this and don't have Isabela's
friendship (and by dont i mean never had) then please post and let me
know. Otherwise, we're aware and looking in to it.

Modifié par RubiconI7, 19 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[chikity chad]

Ahh... thank you my dear friend.

Modifié par chikity chad, 26 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

You are correct i loaded up my glitched play and it shows Isabella Bonus even thou she is not in party.

[Dadutchman]

So just to clarify, the maximum amount we can fix a broken character with this method is 5%?

[LOLiLOLcat99]

Count avaline in also. Her serve and protext reduces hawk also.

[LOLiLOLcat99]

i got the penalty every time i died with avaline

[Nastrodamus95]

Ok so am not sure if I would need to save and THEN load to get the speed back or just do several save overs with those 2 in the party BUT I have gotten some speed back on my mage. I will see if I can get full speed back through just saves or if it will have to be save/reload that save a few times.

I would bet the issue is something with Sebastion as he was the DLC character on the release day i.e. they probably didn't test his crap much at all and the last to join the team. Aren't his quests and achievements for him buggy also? He is max friend and I never got that achievement, his duty quest was buggy too where when you killed the group at the docks if you accidentally went down into that room near them too quick you didn't get credit. He's probably causing a bug problem! We need Johnny and the Starship Troopers to help us solve it!

Modifié par Nastrodamus95, 18 mars 2011 - 07:44 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

So, is it possible to reverse the effect by saving and loading and bring my Hawke back up to full speed!? Or will it just add and take away the same amount?

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 18 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[S0ulS7orM]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So, is it possible to reverse the effect by saving and loading and bring my Hawke back up to full speed!? Or will it just add and take away the same amount?

Unfortunately you cannot reverse the effects of the bug unless on pc, but this will allow you to prevent further reductions. I tested this method pretty thouroughly before posting it though so I'm almost certain it will prevent you having further problems. But please can people test this themselves so we can be 100% sure this is the source of the bug?

[PlumPaul93]

So basically this is don't load a save unless isabella is in your party right? Does it matter if I switch around my party at all or do I have to have isabella in my party at all times? Basically what i'm interpreting from this is just loading a save with isabella not in your party causes the bug not switching party members in and out.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 18 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[S0ulS7orM]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

So basically this is don't load a save unless isabella is in your party right? Does it matter if I switch around my party at all or do I have to have isabella in my party at all times? Basically what i'm interpreting from this is just loading a save with isabella not in your party causes the bug not switching party members in and out.

Exactly. It is not, as most believe, caused by switching them out. Rather it is caused by loading a game without them in party. Full explanation as to why this happens above. Try running through the steps like i did when testing should then become clear.

Modifié par S0ulS7orM, 18 mars 2011 - 01:52 .

[PlumPaul93]

alright then thanks for giving a pretty clear way to avoid this game-breaking bug, hopefully a patch comes out for the people with this, It is odd though that reloading a save without her in your party causes the bug not constantly switching her in and out...

[Gibb_Shepard]

So now i have to decide to wait a week for a patch, or replay 16 hours to back to where i am at the moment, avoiding the bug. BW should really just focus on this particular bug and release it asap, as it is the only game breaking bug at the moment.

Also to clarify, does this mean i can't load save games from the hawk estate? I must be in a party with Isabella when i load?

[PlumPaul93]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So now i have to decide to wait a week for a patch, or replay 16 hours to back to where i am at the moment, avoiding the bug. BW should really just focus on this particular bug and release it asap, as it is the only game breaking bug at the moment.

Also to clarify, does this mean i can't load save games from the hawk estate? I must be in a party with Isabella when i load?

That's what I was wondering as well I'd just assume that you shouldn't load from the estate as it would probably cause the bug to happen. Don't know for a fact but that's what I'd assume.

[S0ulS7orM]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So now i have to decide to wait a week for a patch, or replay 16 hours to back to where i am at the moment, avoiding the bug. BW should really just focus on this particular bug and release it asap, as it is the only game breaking bug at the moment.

Also to clarify, does this mean i can't load save games from the hawk estate? I must be in a party with Isabella when i load?

That's what I was wondering as well I'd just assume that you shouldn't load from the estate as it would probably cause the bug to happen. Don't know for a fact but that's what I'd assume.

No you cannot load from estaste as they won't be in party. I now routinely return to my estaste pick Isabella/Sebastian and save outside. It's a pain in the *** but it means I can keep playing. If you have more questions add my gamertag XcS S0ulS7orM and I'll be happy to talk people through this.

[Nastrodamus95]

I think you can undo 5% of the slowness on xbox if you add her and sebastion back in save and then load that save but it looks like that's all you get back. After I did it I got a little faster and I hoped doing it several times would get me back to normal but it didnt but I am a littlefaster than at the hair pulling crawl I was at

[S0ulS7orM]

Nastrodamus95 wrote...

I think you can undo 5% of the slowness on xbox if you add her and sebastion back in save and then load that save but it looks like that's all you get back. After I did it I got a little faster and I hoped doing it several times would get me back to normal but it didnt but I am a littlefaster than at the hair pulling crawl I was at

Unfortunately it does not undo 5%. Rather it adds the +5% their abilities are supposed to give you but your stats return to normal upon removing them. This method will only prevent further reductions. There is no known way to reverse if already afflicted except on pc.

[Girl in the Box]

So let me get this straight...I can only save and load/reload IF Isabela is in my party? I have one save (hours back of course) that doesn't seem to be affected yet and I'm desperate to play even if it means one helluva lot of backtracking. I just don't want to play through everything again only to slow down to a crawl anyway.

And what about Aveline? Is she affecting Hawke too?

[S0ulS7orM]

Girl in the Box wrote...

So let me get this straight...I can only save and load/reload IF Isabela is in my party? I have one save (hours back of course) that doesn't seem to be affected yet and I'm desperate to play even if it means one helluva lot of backtracking. I just don't want to play through everything again only to slow down to a crawl anyway.

And what about Aveline? Is she affecting Hawke too?

OK... if Isabella OR Sebastian are friends to avoid this bug you must only save with them in party for the reason I have explained above (I'm quoted in 1st post). As far as I am aware Aveline is no problem as her ability does not alter Hawke's stats and thus does not appear in the Hawke section of your abilities. Does this help?

[Girl in the Box]

S0ulS7orM wrote...

Girl in the Box wrote...

So let me get this straight...I can only save and load/reload IF Isabela is in my party? I have one save (hours back of course) that doesn't seem to be affected yet and I'm desperate to play even if it means one helluva lot of backtracking. I just don't want to play through everything again only to slow down to a crawl anyway.

And what about Aveline? Is she affecting Hawke too?

OK... if Isabella OR Sebastian are friends to avoid this bug you must only save with them in party for the reason I have explained above (I'm quoted in 1st post). As far as I am aware Aveline is no problem as her ability does not alter Hawke's stats and thus does not appear in the Hawke section of your abilities. Does this help?

Yes, it does. Thank you.


But wait...what about when ***Spoiler below***


















she leaves you? Are you then screwed?

Modifié par Girl in the Box, 18 mars 2011 - 04:51 .

[S0ulS7orM]

Girl in the Box wrote...

S0ulS7orM wrote...

Girl in the Box wrote...

So let me get this straight...I can only save and load/reload IF Isabela is in my party? I have one save (hours back of course) that doesn't seem to be affected yet and I'm desperate to play even if it means one helluva lot of backtracking. I just don't want to play through everything again only to slow down to a crawl anyway.

And what about Aveline? Is she affecting Hawke too?

OK... if Isabella OR Sebastian are friends to avoid this bug you must only save with them in party for the reason I have explained above (I'm quoted in 1st post). As far as I am aware Aveline is no problem as her ability does not alter Hawke's stats and thus does not appear in the Hawke section of your abilities. Does this help?

Yes, it does. Thank you.


But wait...what about when ***Spoiler below***


















she leaves you? Are you then screwed?

*SPOILERS AHEAD* Unfortunately I cannot answer as she came back for me. I would hope the game recognises she is no longer selectable and thus does not activate her friendship/rivalry upon loading. I still have a save just before you go get the relic with her. I will test this later and get back to you.

[RubiconI7]

Girl in the Box wrote...

S0ulS7orM wrote...

Girl in the Box wrote...

So let me get this straight...I can only save and load/reload IF Isabela is in my party? I have one save (hours back of course) that doesn't seem to be affected yet and I'm desperate to play even if it means one helluva lot of backtracking. I just don't want to play through everything again only to slow down to a crawl anyway.

And what about Aveline? Is she affecting Hawke too?

OK... if Isabella OR Sebastian are friends to avoid this bug you must only save with them in party for the reason I have explained above (I'm quoted in 1st post). As far as I am aware Aveline is no problem as her ability does not alter Hawke's stats and thus does not appear in the Hawke section of your abilities. Does this help?

Yes, it does. Thank you.


But wait...what about when ***Spoiler below***


















she leaves you? Are you then screwed?

If she leaves you, chances are you do not have the friendship requirements that gets this bug to happen. As if she comes back, she only left you during the fight to the Viscount. In my first playthrough I did not get enough friendship from her and told her she will have to give the relic back to the Arishok, so she permanently ditched me and I did not get the glitch.

[Cody]

Nice find. So if either of them are in friendship and either of them are in your party at least once. You can never remove them when you save the game? Or can I save the game with them in my party and remove them once I load the game back without having to worry about this glitch? Or do I need to always have them in my party for now on once I have their friendship?

[RubiconI7]

CodyMelch wrote...

Nice find. So if either of them are in friendship and either of them are in your party at least once. You can never remove them when you save the game? Or can I save the game with them in my party and remove them once I load the game back without having to worry about this glitch? Or do I need to always have them in my party for now on once I have their friendship?

I am not sure if I understood the question...

You can have any party members you want while playing, but it is when you save that you must have either Isabella or Sebastian in your party.

As you can see this can get pretty annoying as you may be doing a long quest that does not require them but you can't save during the quest because they are not with you.

Hope this helps

[S0ulS7orM]

To Girl in the Box I have reloaded my old save to answer your question and YES the bug still happens if she is in friendship when she leaves. However if you get her friendship/rivalry to 50% (which activates either ability) AND complete ALL her companion quests up to this point she will return and you can get her back solving your problem.