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[NvVanity]

Never really liked Neverwinter Nights. Just couldn't get into it.

[Haristo]

2Hard2C wrote...

KOTOR 2. But even that was not bad.

Considering it was made by Obsidian, KOTOR 2 Fail to be a BioWare game because it's not.

The Witchers is also a Pretty bad BioWare game since it has been made by indies Pollacks 

[DaySeeker]

I think the game is pretty great. It has flaws, but also has made it's way out of traditional RPG story telling. I just finished and was impressed. It's a story of a man (or woman), not someone setting out to be a hero, not someone who can fix everything and everyone, and it is centralized in Hawke's experience and failings in a world full of people trying to do the right thing and failing.

[Mr.Skar]

The only BW game I have been truly bored with was Sonic Chronicles. DA2 does some things I don't like, but it is leagues away from being the worst game i've played, let alone being worse than Sonic Chronicles.

[Myounage]

DA 2, yeah it is.

[Athro]

Hmmmm...

I'd say it's a toss up between Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age: Origins. I love both games, but I *hate* replaying them. ME's uncharted worlds are dull as dishwater, and Origins lackluster combat, ugly character models and the Deep Roads segement just wear me down now.

But then I always preferred Jade Empire over Kotor.

C.

[WilliamShatner]

No, at least this doesn't ****** on the story, characters and lore at every turn like ME2 does.

[devSin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If expansion packs are included: Throne of Bhaal.

Absolutely. Even Sonic had its fun art style.

ToB just had some engine improvements and that story. That awkward story. And speed-date romance. And Melissan's dialogue. And her pre-evil VO. And Cespenar.

But I do think its redeeming feature was the updated engine, which really did improve SoA. Watcher's Keep was fun for what it was too. So I'm glad it exists, overall, but I still say it's the worst content-wise.

Shadows of Undrentide was also pretty unmemorable, but I don't have bad memories of it like with ToB, so it's probably at least a little bit better.

Modifié par devSin, 18 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[Smertnik]

I found DA:O the least enjoyable. I got put off by the gameplay and the story at first, stopped playing it for a while but then managed to get into it and finish the game. DA2 was a far better experience.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Not even close. I'm loving DA2, but don't get me started on how much I disliked the Neverwinter Nights original campaign. The expansions redeemed the game to some extent by having a much better story, not to mention Deekin Scalesinger.

[AndarianTD]

No, this (DA II) so far is actually shaping up to be the best Bioware game I've played. My least favorite is probably the first Neverwinter Nights expansion, Shadows of Undrentide. NWN is great mainly for the toolset and community modules (although HOTU wasn't that bad).

[Yriss]

Hahah. No, DA2 is the best one so far. And yes, I have played BG2 and enjoyed it too.

The worst would be NWN1. Why did I *have* to save that city again? And who are these "henchmen"?

[CubbieBlue66]

Alright, if people are going to keep throwing that Sonic game out there, I'm going to have to bring up Mass Effect Galaxy.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Mass Effect was the worst Bioware game I've played, which to be honest was one of the best games I've ever played, so that tells you my opinion about their games.

[UniversalCypher]

none of them are the worst..i've enjoyed all of their games and will continue to enjoy them..whats wrong with you people?..


-UC

[Vaeliorin]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
I dont get the Jade Empire hate...

Maybe its the whole not understanding the eastern culture thing; I dunno.

I loved JE. Keep praying for a second one. Loved the whole eastern thing, and the combat wasnt the worst combat in a BW game (that dubious honour belongs to DAO actually which after the second playthru slow, boring, repetitive, unbalanced, and annoying).
Okay so it is really hard to make combat not boring and repetitive after one playthru. but there are degrees. As long as it doesnt touch "annoying" or "irritating" at any point like the combat in DAO or BG/BG2 sometimes does then it ranks higher automatically.

The fact that JE has the better storyline than DA2, had less bugs, had better companion interaction than DA2 (that is the interaction outside of romances), and the combat being -almost- as faced paced as DA2's means that JE comes above it for me. Lots above it lol.

I'd like to see a second Jade Empire as well (including the Galaga clone mini-game), despite me rating it as Bioware's worst game.  That rating is largely predicated on the combat and the severe lack of companion interaction.  Also...I dislike games without a party, and JE's excuse for a "party" isn't even worth discussing.

Also, I thought the character models looked really weird, I disliked Skye's VA, and I hated feeling forced to take Dawn Star with me (as she was the only character that gave even remotely useful combat bonuses).  I hate respawning enemies, too, and those stupid ghosts in the cemetery respawned constantly.  Character-building was also fairly poor in JE, as how you leveled your character didn't really matter that much (though it's possible it matters on Jade Master difficulty...only having beaten it once, I never played Jade Master, though I played the highest difficulty available to me).

I actually rather like JE's story and think it had the best twist of all the Bioware games (though KOTOR was spoiled for me, so I'm not a perfect judge), there were just so many issues with it otherwise that I really didn't care for it that much (I've only finished it once, several years ago, and couldn't play it again right away, and wanting to do that is, to me, the sign of a great game.  Now, it won't run on my new PC, so...I'll likely only ever have finished it the once.)

Modifié par Vaeliorin, 18 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Vaeliorin wrote...

As RPGs:

DA
KOTOR
NWN
BG
BG2
DA2 (DA2 beats out JE because of the combat mechanics...JE's are awful and at odds with role-playing, imo)
JE
ME1
ME2

Allowing that I said my top 5 were really tight, and fundamentally I agree with you on JE (but the combat was so easy that I didn't think it mattered), we basically agree.

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Thank you for making the distinction between games and RPGs.

I only rank them as RPGs because I only play them as RPGs.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm confused... do you view the lack of a dedicated conversation interface as a positive or a negative? I can only interpret your comment as a positive, which piques my curiosity. What's wrong with the conversation interface from KotOR on?

First, by having the gameplay UI disappear and reappear based only on meta-game status differences, the game is drawing attention to the fact that it's a game, and I don't want that.  I literally don't want to be aware that I'm playing a game.  I want to stay in character 100% of the time.

Also, the dedicated conversation interface tends to encourage developers to be all "cinematic" with visual effects like lens flare and shallow focus, and that again only serves to place an artificial (and unnecessary) barrier between me and my character.  If I want to focus on some guy in the background because I think he's important, I'd like to game to let me do that.  If the game uses depth of field effects to draw my attention somewhere else, that takes me out of character.

Also, I object to the use of the term "cinematic" to describe these features.  Even though I oppose attempts to make the games more cinematic - if I wanted cinematic, I'd go to the cinema - many classic films used the equivalent of a very deep focus.  Watch Gone with the Wind; the backgrounds in that are incredibly detailed and clearly visible dispite their apparent distance from the action (I say apparent because they were actually painted backdrops).

Beyond that, I can only comment on your views of the games' stories. As I said, that's the most important factor that puts BGII on top for me. It pains me to see you disparage it so! (not really, but I have very low opinions of KotOR's and Origins' stories).

BG2's story suffers for me because it places one quite large constraint on the PC's design.  For the story to work, the PC needs to care about Imoen.

KotOR places effectively no limits on character design (which is why I rank it so highly despite its awful party-control and relative lack of overall size), and DAO's limits are fairly specific (the game doesn't support some motivations that are unrelated to being a Warden, particularly those relating to the disenfranchisement experienced by City Elves).

BG wins overall because it contains most of the good features of all of the other games, plus it's the only one with a world design that supports open exploration.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 18 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[dubsaves]

NWN the orig campaign. MP was where it was at. Expansions were great.

I'm going to lurk on neverwinterconnections for the memories. 

Modifié par dubsaves, 18 mars 2011 - 04:47 .

[Vaeliorin]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...
As RPGs:

DA
KOTOR
NWN
BG
BG2
DA2 (DA2 beats out JE because of the combat mechanics...JE's are awful and at odds with role-playing, imo)
JE
ME1
ME2

Allowing that I said my top 5 were really tight, and fundamentally I agree with you on JE (but the combat was so easy that I didn't think it mattered), we basically agree.

The only reason BG and BG2 don't rank higher on that scale is because of how much I hate 2E D&D.  If KOTOR, NWN, BG and BG2 all used d20, it'd be more like DA>BG>KOTOR>BG2>NWN (though that's just looking at NWN + expansions, and largely because of the lack of a party.  If we included user-created campaigns and online play, as well as toolset use, I'd probably rank NWN 2nd behind DA.)

Modifié par Vaeliorin, 18 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[joshiepoopc]

im not sure i think da2 was just overhyped, good game but is not living it up

[WJC3688]

No. DA:O and ME1 were both worse imo.

[Wompoo]

No it is not. I think it is quite possibly the best story they have created, far more enjoyable then DA:O or Kotor and ME2. The companions are overall priceless (love them or hate them in game). Worst use of rinse repeat assests however, over use of load screens, combat trees a little bland and lacking depth. But overall a very entertaining game. (more meat on the romance stories still needed)

Modifié par Wompoo, 18 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[vigna]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

For me, it's a tie between DA2 and DA:O. Origins was an A- story and C+ gameplay, and DA2 is a C+ story and an A- gameplay.

Kinda this^^^ I'm struggling playing through a second time. It was hard to play Jade Empire a second time too. But I actually liked the Jade empire story a bit better.

I've played ME1 over 10 times....complete
I'v e played KOTOR over 40 times... complete
I've played ME2 over 5 times... complete
I've played DA:O over 5 times... complete
This is not to let you all know how boring my life it but how much I loved the above games.

[Meatdraw]

Is this the worst thread you have ever read?

[MingWolf]

Well, Jade Empire actually "scared" me from playing... so, I'll place DA2 maybe a bit higher than that. Maybe I just need to try that game again....