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[Drogo45]

This is one of the best BioWare games ever - so no. They did a fantastic job.

[Xewaka]

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
[something nice about David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw]

Do you work for Bioware?

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

I can't tell if serious.
If so, this post comedic value just doubled.

[Terror_K]

I want Laidlaw gone. Not necessarily outright sacked, but I don't want him calling the shots anymore.

[upsettingshorts]

Terror_K wrote...

I want Laidlaw gone. Not necessarily outright sacked, but I don't want him calling the shots anymore.

I want you gone.  Not necessarily outright banned, but I don't want you posting your conclusions about the game or the people who made it anymore.

[johook213]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

I want Laidlaw gone. Not necessarily outright sacked, but I don't want him calling the shots anymore.

I want you gone.  Not necessarily outright banned, but I don't want you posting your conclusions about the game or the people who made it anymore.

Awesome! 

[Addai]

LOL I'm sure the devs are quaking in their boots.

Get over yourself, OP.

[haberman13]

Terror_K wrote...

I want Laidlaw gone. Not necessarily outright sacked, but I don't want him calling the shots anymore.

As much as I despise DA2 I find this overboard, you don't know the man or his 'true' work (EA could have done this to Laidlaw).

Realistically DA2 is a success, its selling well and the console fans love it... mission accomplished.

The sad reality is us RPG-fans are a dying breed (literally, aging), and being replaced by the semi-retardedgamer CoD crowd (duh, they are THE market to breach).


The lesson I take from this: I'm now an old fuddy duddy (30) and Bioware no longer cares about me.

The sad lesson I take from this: much like my parents said "this generation is doomed and dumb", each generation that makes this call has been right so far.  We went from Robert Frost to Twilight in 100 years ....

[Drogo45]

Upsettingshorts - very nice job! Getting tired of these angry whintards.

[AtreiyaN7]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

[something nice about David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw]

Do you work for Bioware?

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

That even made me laugh.

Me too - bravo, good ser.

[yellow cake]

i think the da team should be given all the time they want to make a game. would glady wait 3-5 years for the quality

[upsettingshorts]

haberman13 wrote...

The sad reality is us RPG-fans are a dying breed (literally, aging), and being replaced by the semi-retardedgamer CoD crowd (duh, they are THE market to breach).

Or you know there were always very different ways to approach cRPGs, and until recently games had successfully (either purposefully or accidentally) catered to both.

Now they only cater to one.

But then, veteran RPG-fans who like the kinds of changes Bioware has made in DA2 and ME1-2 don't exist.

[mesmerizedish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

I want Laidlaw gone. Not necessarily outright sacked, but I don't want him calling the shots anymore.

I want you gone.  Not necessarily outright banned, but I don't want you posting your conclusions about the game or the people who made it anymore.

I knew there was a reason we kept you around.

Other than Fat Lee, I mean.

[Bryy_Miller]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

[something nice about David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw]

Do you work for Bioware?

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

That even made me laugh.

But Sylvius, you agreed with the devs ONCE.

That makes you a frothing, rabid fanboy.

[jds1bio]

All people can do if they don't like the game is return it, stop payment, not buy it, or sell the company's stock. That is the only negative message you can send to companies about this game that will be guaranteed to be heard loud and clear.

Because of poor business decisions made too often by this industry, more people are let go after making a good or great game than after making a bad one. Given that, this disturbing trend on the boards of disposing of people outright is a bit sickening. It benefits you in no way whatsoever if someone is let go.

Any company who lets someone go loses not only the future potential of that person, but whatever money they have invested in the person in training, benefits, etc. (which is more than you think it is). And if you think people have any value only if they give you something good and never disappoint you, well...

[mesmerizedish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

But then, veteran RPG-fans who like the kinds of changes Bioware has made in DA2 and ME1-2 don't exist.

But I thought... I mean, we... oh...

[AtreiyaN7]

haberman13 wrote...

The sad lesson I take from this: much like my parents said "this generation is doomed and dumb", each generation that makes this call has been right so far.  We went from Robert Frost to Twilight in 100 years ....

So I guess every other book that came out over the last decade didn't exist - just because of Twilight. Woops, I'd better forget about reading Leviathans of Jupiter then. I'm sure that Ben Bova went all glittery vampires and whatnot instead of tackling religion and science.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 18 mars 2011 - 12:37 .

[devSin]

Sanzee wrote...

If you're going to blame someone, blame EA. They wanted a rush job. They wanted to capitalize on Dragon Age as fast as possible, after Origins. They didn't want people to forget Dragon Age (even though those of us who love Dragon Age could never forget about it). I'm disappointed in EA.

I believe part of the problem is that there was a belief or a hope (naive though it was) that at least the teams who used to work for BioWare would be able to push back when EA took over. It seems like maybe it's been revealed that this simply isn't the case, and this "BioWare" you talk about is now just a badge to put on the box.

My belief is that Origins is what it was only because it was the last BioWare project (and was too far along for EA to cancel). There won't be any return to the old way of doing things, and I honestly don't expect that many of the longtime BioWare employees will remain with EA (you don't need all those writers when you can pump out games that sell just as well or better with much less writing, same for designers and developers and artists). I expect to see almost entirely unfamiliar names five years out, although I very much want to be wrong.

I'll still buy and enjoy games marketed under the BioWare brand ('cause they're fun), but I'm starting to think that I won't have any real attachment to the stuff that gets put out (but with the same people at the helm, I'll always at least give them a shot).

[Maria Caliban]

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
[something nice about David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw]

Do you work for Bioware?

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

[slimgrin]

AlanC9 wrote...

The dev team can't face repercussions for the game being rushed. They don't set the schedule.

But they can. It happens in business all the time. Repercussions is the wrong word for it: relocating dept. heads, demotion...simply being replaced with someone the bigwigs feel is better suited to the job. It's not out of the realm of possibility. 

I haven't played the game, so I won't say "fire Laidlaw! He screwed up!" but if I was one of the good doctors running Bioware, the first team member I would replace would be Matt Goldman. Simply because his art design was inconsistant and forced. He truly made some lousy choices and to be perfectly honest, there were probably a dozen other art directors who could have done it better.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[slimgrin]

dp

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[johook213]

You know I hate CoD.... I loved BG1 and most especially 2.... I also enjoyed Ultima 6 and 7 (part 1 and 2)... those were some of my first PC RPGs. I also liked FF4 and FF6 over on the SNES, and later FF titles on the playstation systems.

I consider myself a RPG fan.... i guess I just have a more versatile taste in RPGs. Or maybe I'm more open and accepting to change. I loved DA2. lol

Keep in mind that role-playing games have changed and evolved since the day of pen-and-paper D&D. The major similarities with the original RPG pen-and-paper games is that you have the player(s) controlling a character, or several adventuring party members, fulfilling one or many quests. Other traditional aspects of RPGs involve story-telling and narrative elements, player character development, complexity, replayability and immersion.

We've broken away from the origin of pen-and-paper and today role-playing video games are classified into sub-genres based on differences in gameplay: Action role-playing games, Role-playing shooters, Adventure role-playing games, Dungeon crawlers, Massively multiplayer online role-playing games, Online text-based role-playing games, MUDs,Tactical role-playing games,Turn-based role-playing games.

RPG is very loosely defined when you step outside of it's roots of pen and paper....

Regardless, I still see Dragon Age 2 keeping many, if not all of those traditional RPG aspects.... lol

[Maugrim]

distinguetraces wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
[something nice about David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw]

Do you work for Bioware?

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

Man I'm glad I didn't miss this thread , best laugh I've had in a while!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

Ignore Sylvius -- he's nothing but a blind, hero-worshipping fanboy with no critical standards who only ever says good things about Bioware games. It's kind of sickening how he sucks up to the devs and tells them everything they do is perfect and that he has no complaints.

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

I think I'm dead to sarcasm now. See, this one time, a few days ago... *frightened whisper* i agreed with vahe

It's like that episode of South Park, where Cartman saw the funniest thing ever and couldn't laugh any more. I just can't do sarcasm. And it's all Vahe's fault. Stupid Witcher 2 fanboy.

[billy the squid]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

The bottom line is going to be whether it makes money (i.e. profit) and how much. Business decisions aren't often made by popular opinion, fortunately.

 However, sales figures may be affected by popular opinion, and as such may have a certain amount of influence on business decisions

Modifié par billy the squid, 18 mars 2011 - 12:52 .

[ElectricPhase]

My gut reaction, speaking as a programmer, is that this thread really sucks. To call out individuals and suggest that they deserve to be punished by their employer because you don't like a game you bought is....unspeakable.

(And for the record: I hated the DA2 demo, and will not buy the game.)