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[Jaymo147]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

The bottom line is going to be whether it makes money (i.e. profit) and how much. Business decisions aren't often made by popular opinion, fortunately.

Popular opinion should be the driving force. What happened to by gamers for gamers? The only company I can think of that really took the criticism of the first game and vastly improved the second while not cutting anything out, rather changing it to better the game as a whole is CD Projekt RED. 
Considering this is practically the first time in video game history where the outcry and dissapointment of players vastly dwarfs the morons people who enjoyed the game.

:slowclap: Bioware. 

[Relshar]

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

[Velvetmeds]

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

But with terrible combat systems?

[Galad22]

doloreg wrote...

People will whine no matter what, so far, from what i've seen, every bioware game had about 20000 threads about how bad it was. Those who are so willing to voice their distress, usually do so without using their brains, and invent catchphrases, whether it is that ME2 is CoD in space, because you can aim, or that DA2 is a god of war rip off (which shows that they have never played god of war), it will not change.
They will say that the game is utter crap, because not everything is as it should be in their minds eye.

If bioware were to demote people because of the user "reviews", and i'm using that term lightly, then they should swap teams everytime they make a game.

There is no single other Bioware game where there has been even near as much critisism for the game as this one.

Also DA2 has gotten few 6/10 ratings from reviewers, this has never happened either.

Okay, perhaps sonic.

[Galad22]

Velvetmeds wrote...

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

But with terrible combat systems?

At least there would be little rpg elements along with that crappy combat.

So it would still be a win.

[Relshar]

Velvetmeds wrote...

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

But with terrible combat systems?

The combat in Witcher was ok, and in Witcher 2 looks even better. There is so much broken with DA:2 that there is no point in doing a replay. I know I have tried not even got into the deeproads in act 1 and I am already thinking about uninstalling it. Its just a waste of space on my HDD now. As for the Witcher and DA:O they are still on my HDD, as was ME1 before I installed this game.
Thank god for Dragon Age Nexus thats all I can say.

[djackson75]

Galad22 wrote...

Velvetmeds wrote...

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

But with terrible combat systems?

At least there would be little rpg elements along with that crappy combat.

So it would still be a win.

I can equip my character..
I can make in-game choices.
I control my characters stats.
I control my character's skills.
My character levels-up...

Aren't those RPG elements??

[Aesieru]

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

Worst idea ever, Witcher sucked, but DA:2 was still better.

[CRISIS1717]

They should give this IP to Obsidian, atleast they'd try and make it like DA:O.

[djackson75]

This message board is amazing.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Galad22 wrote...

Velvetmeds wrote...

Relshar wrote...

They should give the IP to CD Project who make Witcher. At least they can do a decent job.

But with terrible combat systems?

At least there would be little rpg elements along with that crappy combat.

So it would still be a win.

That combat system is far worse than anything BiWare has done to DA2.

I lasted less than 30 minutes in The Witcher before I turned it off forever.

[Ryvack]

 I think this community should face repercussions!

[Relshar]

Justin2k wrote...

Kevin Lynch wrote...

The bottom line is going to be whether it makes money (i.e. profit) and how much. Business decisions aren't often made by popular opinion, fortunately.

But the problem with that is, many of the people voicing their dislike for DA2 bought the game.  We bought it due to Biowares previous reputation, due to the quality of the prequel etc etc.

I have no doubt DA2 will sell well.  But future sales will be hit by this I think.  I already know 2 people who cancelled their ME3 pre-order for instance.  Will buy it if it's good, but the companys reputation and possible future profit has been hit by DA2 not living up to expectations.

Many software houses have been sucked up and torn apart by EA over the years. EA are not intrested in good games they just want the money. And when the development studeos start to fail in making a profit for EA they are disvolved and merged. You can see a good example here on BioWare web site. BioWare/Mythic.
EA also bought Eidos, Origin. Just got to look at what happened to those companies.

DA:O was the last good game BioWare has made, everything now is going to be rubbish till they are disvolved by EA.

[Galad22]

djackson75 wrote...

I can equip my character..
I can make in-game choices.
I control my characters stats.
I control my character's skills.
My character levels-up...

Aren't those RPG elements??

There is nothing but combat.

Rpg should have more, including quest that doesn't include combat.

Modifié par Galad22, 18 mars 2011 - 10:05 .

[djackson75]

Ryvack wrote...

 I think this community should face repercussions!

If I was Bioware, I would shut this whole board down, and just start all over again. Gamefaq's is laughing at this board.... that's how bad it is... GAMEFAQ'S!!!!

[Tripedius]

On a sidenote, let's face it all things that become mainstream suck. Gaming was not really mainstream for a long time and developers cared more for making good games than the bucks (although they were necessary). Since wow however everyone is only thinking about making big bucks and being the next big money maker (hence all MMO's, DLC, etc). Unfortunately they forgot about making good games (not all though).
They other problem is people who play casual or don't want difficult games do want to be as good as the hardcore ppl and the ones who like difficult games. They won't accept that they can't have it easy. Therefore games get toned down (wow from vanilla to cataclysm supports this).
Both things combined, companies want big bucks but a lot of people won't buy games that are too deep or complex, ruins it for those who thrive on complex games.
But you can't blame this on individual developers, they would get booted if they did it otherwise. DA2 would probably be the end of DA if it was deep, complex and hence more difficult.

[Galad22]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

That combat system is far worse than anything BiWare has done to DA2.

I lasted less than 30 minutes in The Witcher before I turned it off forever.

I agree that Witchers combat was bad, but other than that it was very good rpg. Which is more than you can say for DA2.

It actually included non combat stuff, good story and you could stay perfectly neutral if you wished to.

Again more than you can say for DA2

You didn't even safe the world in Wicher.
In fact there was a conflict, like in DA2. It just was done about 10 times better.

Modifié par Galad22, 18 mars 2011 - 10:11 .

[Tripedius]

Galad22 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

I can equip my character..
I can make in-game choices.
I control my characters stats.
I control my character's skills.
My character levels-up...

Aren't those RPG elements??

There is nothing but combat.

Rpg should have more, including quest that doesn't include combat.

And, combat should be a puzzle (for lack of a better term). You should figure out how to counter, control and destroy enemies instead of just nuking them (and stun + knockdown isn't enough for that). The fact that dispel is even missable is proof of this and the type of rpg that I like dispel is more important than damage spells.

[DarkWulfy]

 So we've had a spiritual successor to BG, but will there ever be spiritual successor to DA:O?

[CRISIS1717]

You had more freedom in Fable 3 than this game, Dragon Age 2 is awful. Someone needs to be cut from the team for this travesty.

[djackson75]

Tripedius wrote...

On a sidenote, let's face it all things that become mainstream suck. Gaming was not really mainstream for a long time and developers cared more for making good games than the bucks (although they were necessary). Since wow however everyone is only thinking about making big bucks and being the next big money maker (hence all MMO's, DLC, etc). Unfortunately they forgot about making good games (not all though).
They other problem is people who play casual or don't want difficult games do want to be as good as the hardcore ppl and the ones who like difficult games. They won't accept that they can't have it easy. Therefore games get toned down (wow from vanilla to cataclysm supports this).
Both things combined, companies want big bucks but a lot of people won't buy games that are too deep or complex, ruins it for those who thrive on complex games.
But you can't blame this on individual developers, they would get booted if they did it otherwise. DA2 would probably be the end of DA if it was deep, complex and hence more difficult.

Developers have never cared more for making good games than the bucks.. Developers made good games because they made bucks. If gaming didn't go mainstream, you never would have gotten a big budget production like Dragon Age Origins to begin with. If it wasn't for the WoW's, the Call of Duty's, and their ilk, then the other games wouldn't even exist at this point, and all we'd be playing is farmville..

I hate the whole "when something goes mainstream, it stinks" argument. What happens is, when it's not mainstream, the nerds claim it for themselves, making it cool in their own circle... Then the nerds sit around in their circle with their "cool to them" thing, and make fun of how stupid the jocks are... Then all of a sudden, the jocks like it too, so now that that has happened, the nerds have to hate it, and find something else that is only cool to them... It's a never ending circle that can be applied to everything, but more than a company selling out, speaks to the insecurities of the players.

[NvVanity]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

You had more freedom in Fable 3 than this game, Dragon Age 2 is awful. Someone needs to be cut from the team for this travesty.

In your opinion.

[Ryvack]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

You had more freedom in Fable 3 than this game, Dragon Age 2 is awful. Someone needs to be cut from the team for this travesty.

"travesty"   lol...you drama queens make me smile...lol

[BeardedNinja]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

You had more freedom in Fable 3 than this game, Dragon Age 2 is awful. Someone needs to be cut from the team for this travesty.

Just because some people liked it and some people didnt does not make this game a "travesty"

[CRISIS1717]

You guys laugh now but when they cutback and make this game linear with one path to save on money and development time you will be sick to your stomach you didn't oppose these changes now.