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[Captain_Obvious]

Drogo45 wrote...

It's the end of the world as we know it......

And I feel fine.

RIP

This.    Now if I can get that song out of my head...

[Druscylla]

Maybe the RPG generation of old needs to expand their horizons and branch out. Just like traditional JRPGs are dying, so too are "classic" RPGs changing.

[AkiKishi]

IWD was unique it let you make a party of your own choosing and you could do some really fun things with that.

[AtreiyaN7]

The typos up there aside, people always keep saying PC gaming is dead, but so far as I can tell, we still have games despite years of that kind of drivel being repeated year after year by the gaming media. From FO1/FO2 to FO3, the Fallout series underwent a drastic change. but it wasn't a death knell for PC RPG gaming. If you don't like that DA2 was different, fine, but it's not the end of the world or the end of the genre either.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 mars 2011 - 11:16 .

[AkiKishi]

It usually dies a bit each new console generation.

[BooBoo_swe]

I agree with the OP of this thread. Many here do not even have DA:Origins as a registered game they own. Yet registered Dragon Age 2. I do think many of those with an opinion of the matter have not even paid for the game, and how you dare sit here and sped gall is beyond me.

But fact is, this is a console game. Many defending and spewing on the OP's post do not even own a pc, and do not even know why us PC gamers feel like we do.

Conole is a arcade machine, fancy, nothing more. There are toasters out there with more juice than you Xbox's and other consoles you use. They are good for hack and slash games.

Playing Dragon Age 2, has been nothing but a dissapointment. For a console gamer, it's not always obvious but for many people who play RPG's on pc long back.. predicting what happens is all to easy. Nothing is generated randomly.. every damn mob is doing what it's coded to do and in same order, every time.
Also same mobs spawn same place every time you replay game.

Dragon Age 2 is not a PC RPG, it's 3 linear stories depending on the beginning and what class you play.
Then the endings decided in middle and at the end. With 3 possible outcomes depending on your choices, and theese outcomes are revealed after act 1.

Bioware must belive all trash the reviewers write, but for gods sake, get some pc gamers to do reviews. Console, good game, for pc gamers, Pong! is even close... Bio-break.

[John Epler]

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

[Adugan]

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

BURN JOHN AT THE STAKE!

Lol jk. Im a PC player too. I am just garbage at playing with a joystick. Spraying bullets in Counterstrike ftw!

[WoooDoggie]

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

You know that reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask and you're the perfect one to answer.

Was the dumbed down gameplay, overall smaller size, and textures like this



supposed to be hints at an upcoming Wii port?

Will it have a Mario cameo?

Modifié par WoooDoggie, 17 mars 2011 - 11:30 .

[SirOccam]

I, for one, wish the "demise of PC gaming" would actually get here, as the doomsayers won't ever shut up about it otherwise.

[Lee T]

tele286 wrote...
[*]Dragon Age II is not a PC-RPG game. Dragon Age II is a console game. I was reading a gamespot review where the reviewer states:
" inventory management and skill progression, have been stripped down in one way or another--a case of developer BioWare inexplicably fixing that which wasn't broken."
The answer is simple, this makes the game more accessable on consoles.

Consoles+controller manage inventories without any problems, this specific modification has nothing to dowith consoles. DAO inventories worked fine on console even if they were indeed better on PC.

[BooBoo_swe]

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

It's not a war, we're dissapointed with YOU, BioWare, to release this on PC as poor as it is compared to other PC RPG's and then have it elevated to the skies. OPINIONS are free. We think for ourselves. Thank you very much.

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Modifié par SteelRayne_swe, 17 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[HawXV2]

Many PC users love the game. I don't see anything that would upset people other than the removal of the Iso cam.

[GunClubGirl]

Another post demonizing the so-called "console crowd" (as if there were such a thing, when there is not because it is just a stereotype). How original. NOT.

I agree that neither version of the game should be a "port" of the other. But I'm sorry consoles are not "ruining" your games, and like it or not that's probably where the money is for them these days because for a lot of people consoles are more user-friendly and accessible. That does not mean there is any such thing as a "console crowd" or that a "real" RPG can't exist on a console, or that a console player is incapable of appreciating a "true" RPG.

[John Epler]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

[Ravenfeeder]

OK, I'll bite. I'm a PC gamer, can't stand console controllers as I find them completely unintuitive. I've been playing PnP RPG's for 30 years and CRPG's since Betrayal at Krondor (why isn't that on the list as it's better than most?). I think the OP is spouting rubbish.

DA2 is more or an RPG than IWD/2 ever was. There is real interaction with both other characters and decision making in the plot. Inventory management? I haven't used detailed inventory management in PnP for nearly 20 years and several games haven't included stat/skill progression. Neither are necessary for a PC RPG to be good.

Everybody enjoys different elements, but to say that it's consolisation to remove certain elements is not accurate. It's just different. FWIW I think the inventory is a bit of a botch job, neither one thing or the other, but the skill trees are a huge improvement over DA:O.

[BooBoo_swe]

JohnEpler wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohibit it, IS FASCISM.

Modifié par SteelRayne_swe, 17 mars 2011 - 11:38 .

[johook213]

I think he was referring to the people who say "You like DA2? Oh, you must be a console player, your opinion doesn't count because you are either 12 years old or mentally challenged"

[Lord_Saulot]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohivit it, IS FASCISM.

No, it isn't fascism and has nothing to do with fascism.  Get a dictionary.

[AkiKishi]

Ravenfeeder wrote...

OK, I'll bite. I'm a PC gamer, can't stand console controllers as I find them completely unintuitive. I've been playing PnP RPG's for 30 years and CRPG's since Betrayal at Krondor (why isn't that on the list as it's better than most?). I think the OP is spouting rubbish.

It's very hard to "unlearn" M/K gaming. It took me years to go from being a PC gamer who dabbled in the odd JRPG to a console gamer who plays WoW.

Switching to consoles was a family thing.

[John Epler]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohivit it, IS FASCISM.

Where did I prohibit you from sharing your opinion? I like it when people share their opinions. If it were just yes men or naysayers, this forum would be incredibly dull.

What I did say is that your enjoying games on the PC as opposed to consoles does not give your opinion more weight, so please don't suggest that other people need to listen to you specifically as a product of that fact.

[YohkoOhno]

Maybe the RPG generation of old needs to expand their horizons and branch out. Just like traditional JRPGs are dying, so too are "classic" RPGs changing.

Yes.

Even the RPGs are changing. All this stuff about the "Bioware past" is actually 90% D&D games, licensed from TSR/WoTC. And D&D has changed over the years as well. You can't make a BG or NWN because (a) they don't have the license anymore and ( D&D is now different--you will be able to see that when Neverwinter comes out from Atari later this year.

If the leading Pen and Paper RPG is willing to change itself to become more like WoW and other MMOs, what makes you think you're going to have the old stuff back.

[BooBoo_swe]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohivit it, IS FASCISM.

No, it isn't fascism and has nothing to do with fascism.  Get a dictionary.

Oh really, so his try to uphold and using his authoroty as a mod on a bioware forum, saying that our opinions is a war, and then prohibit them to be expressed isnt fascism, YOU need to go google my friend.

[WoooDoggie]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A WII PORT OR NOT?!?!?!?!?!

[Obadiah]

That depends. Will you buy it?