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[Cody211282]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Platform wars are not tolerated on these forums. Let's make this very clear before we proceed with this thread.

It's both possible and feasible to enjoy games on multiple platforms. I'm primarily a PC Gamer (my Steam collection alone should reinforce that) but I'm able to enjoy games on the 360, PS3 and Wii just as easily.

Don't hesitate to express a preference, but don't pretend that it makes you any more of a valid judge of what's good and what isn't than someone with a different preference.

The who is valid to judge?

BioWare - Fascist Much?

Everyone who has played the game, regardless of platform preference, would be my suggestion.

If you consider my remark that platform preference does not lend your opinion any more or less weight to be fascist, I think perhaps you need to reconsider your use of that word.

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohivit it, IS FASCISM.

No, it isn't fascism and has nothing to do with fascism.  Get a dictionary.

Oh really, so his try to uphold and using his authoroty as a mod on a bioware forum, saying that our opinions is a war, and then prohibit them to be expressed isnt fascism, YOU need to go google my friend.

Damn it you just had to break Goodwins law didn't you. Go get a damn encyclopedia and look up what it means.

[ScotGaymer]

Is the OP for real?

I mean really?

I am a PC Gamer, and I think he is being an idiot. The decline of PC gaming because Bioware released ONE game that was merely good and not great/amazing/epic that we are used to?

Really?

Not hardly mate. The PC gaming market is thriving actually; the problem is it isnt "seen" because it is largely Digital Download now.

@WooDoogie.

That screenie reminds me of Morrowind textures; and how blocky and terrible they were even for the time. Eww.

But then the stock textures for landscapes and background stuff that comes on the DVD all really suck; I had to download the HiRes pack to get something half decent to look at. The stock textures are worse than DAOs.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 17 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[johook213]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Maybe the RPG generation of old needs to expand their horizons and branch out. Just like traditional JRPGs are dying, so too are "classic" RPGs changing.

Yes.

Even the RPGs are changing. All this stuff about the "Bioware past" is actually 90% D&D games, licensed from TSR/WoTC. And D&D has changed over the years as well. You can't make a BG or NWN because (a) they don't have the license anymore and ( D&D is now different--you will be able to see that when Neverwinter comes out from Atari later this year.

If the leading Pen and Paper RPG is willing to change itself to become more like WoW and other MMOs, what makes you think you're going to have the old stuff back.

Exactly.  We also have to accept the fact that for a company to survive, they have to make money. It's the cold hard facts.  It's not selling out or "betraying" the fans.  As great as BG2 was/is, I don't think it even broke 3 million copies sold.  Compare this to Final Fantasy 7's life-time sales of over 10 million copies.... and look at WoW... it's huge! (i'm not a big fan of wow thou, but i did like FFXI).....  well, the numbers speak for themselves. lol

I don't think DA2 went over the "deep-end" thou. It evolved.... adapted... whatever....  I still very much enjoyed it. 

[AkiKishi]

http://wii.gamezone....the_last_story/

best wii game ever.

[AtreiyaN7]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

You saying our opinions is a war, and then prohibit it, IS FASCISM.

Maybe someone needs to explain this: no one is prohibiting you or anyone else from expressing your opinion. The only thing being said is that people need to express themselves civilly without creating a platform war. And please look up fascism in a dictionary - actually, as a public service, I'll just paste this one definition in...


Definition of fascism (from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)

1 - often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition


Consider that in the context of how some people are behaving - and I don't mean BioWare. I happen to be a PC gamer, but I don't relate at all to those who engage in elitist behavior.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[BooBoo_swe]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Maybe the RPG generation of old needs to expand their horizons and branch out. Just like traditional JRPGs are dying, so too are "classic" RPGs changing.

Yes.

Even the RPGs are changing. All this stuff about the "Bioware past" is actually 90% D&D games, licensed from TSR/WoTC. And D&D has changed over the years as well. You can't make a BG or NWN because (a) they don't have the license anymore and ( D&D is now different--you will be able to see that when Neverwinter comes out from Atari later this year.

If the leading Pen and Paper RPG is willing to change itself to become more like WoW and other MMOs, what makes you think you're going to have the old stuff back.

We will, just need to wait. CCP is helping us all with WOD. It will be on console as well most likely but so far development is made for PC, and we wont have the lack of, rather.. just enough, so a port is possible. I would guess thats what all EVE implementations are for, testing possibilities to reach 2 parts of the market without failing either.

[CRISIS1717]

I'm a console and pc gamer if you want to know why pc gaming (excluding mmos) is dying, for most games it will sell less not only that for the smallest market share it has the largest number of pirates. Essentially pc gamers are too smart for their own good and have made piracy accessible, popular and widespread.

[Cody211282]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm a console and pc gamer if you want to know why pc gaming (excluding mmos) is dying, for most games it will sell less not only that for the smallest market share it has the largest number of pirates. Essentially pc gamers are too smart for their own good and have made piracy accessible, popular and widespread.

This is why I hate pirates, I hate what they have done to gaming, and I hate how they think they are entitaled to free game. They need to grow up get jobs and pay for what they want.

Do you hear me pirates, your nothing but leaches.

[wikkedjoker]

PC gaming is dying, or more so taking a back seat to console gaming.
And it kinda makes since.
PC's are better than Consoles they always have been, and always will be, and that's part of the problem. PC's are always evolving, OS, graphics cards, ect, A games may start development on one generation of OS or graphics cards or any number of other things, but be considered obsolete, by the time it comes out. The Xbox 360 and PS3 has been out for 6-7 years, and very little has changed in the way of specs. Spimply put its just easier to dev for a console.

BUT that's not really the biggest issue is it. Nope its something PC gamer all know, most do, but none wanna admit is a problem. Pirating we live in a day and age were people believe that there entitled to stuff just because they want it. Songs, games, movies, TV shows. BUT there not willing to pay for it. Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World boomed at the box office, but is one of the most downloaded movies of all times. COD 4 modern warfare and modern warfare 2 are some of the most downloaded games of all times, and things like Crysis 2 leaked on the PC 51 days early and was pirated 1000's of times.

Now tell me why do you think developers don't wanna develop for PC anymore?

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 18 mars 2011 - 12:16 .

[WoooDoggie]

Cody211282 wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm a console and pc gamer if you want to know why pc gaming (excluding mmos) is dying, for most games it will sell less not only that for the smallest market share it has the largest number of pirates. Essentially pc gamers are too smart for their own good and have made piracy accessible, popular and widespread.

This is why I hate pirates, I hate what they have done to gaming, and I hate how they think they are entitaled to free game. They need to grow up get jobs and pay for what they want.

Do you hear me pirates, your nothing but leaches.

False.  Some of them are seeders.

[Cody211282]

WoooDoggie wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm a console and pc gamer if you want to know why pc gaming (excluding mmos) is dying, for most games it will sell less not only that for the smallest market share it has the largest number of pirates. Essentially pc gamers are too smart for their own good and have made piracy accessible, popular and widespread.

This is why I hate pirates, I hate what they have done to gaming, and I hate how they think they are entitaled to free game. They need to grow up get jobs and pay for what they want.

Do you hear me pirates, your nothing but leaches.

False.  Some of them are seeders.

Oh I see what you did there O.o

[suunio]

Goodbye Traditiional RPG

An ode to all the PC RPGs now gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvpi-6Z6qw

Modifié par suunio, 18 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[Goldrock]

times change games evolve not alot of people in the main stream like these oldies they been raised on newer and shinieier games forced gaming companies too evolve also so they can earn their money.

[Marionetten]

suunio wrote...

Goodbye Traditiional RPG

An ode to all the PC RPGs now gone

Beautiful track that one. Here's another one.

... Oh well, at least Dragon Age II had pretty decent music. Some of Inon Zur's best, I'd say. It's a shame that the rest of the game couldn't be of the same quality.

[Goldrock]

loved this game too too bad ima have too quit lurkin bioware forums now because they just gotten so negative with moronic 13 years old who dont know squat about rpgs these forums starting too look like world of warcrafts's and other mmo forums so people who seem too hate the game need too get a grip game been made and is gold and is released there is no turning back now so get over it move on.

[toggled]

PC gaming is not dead. Bioware made a business decision to focus on the console with DA2, and it's a decision they will probably come to regret. Another firm will rise to take Bioware's place as the maker of premier RPG games. That's capitalism for you.

[Aenima82]

hopefully in 30-40 years we will have retirement homes full of computers where first generation PC rpg nerds like myself can play baldur's gate 2 and planescape torment together as we run down the clock.

[RedShft]

tele286 wrote...

The release of Dragon Age II signal's the beginning of the end for PC RPG gaming. The day's of fantastic games such as:

•  Bauldar's Gate
  
  
•  Planescape Torment
  
  
•  Icewind Dale
  
  
•  Bauldar's Gate II - Shadow's of Amn
  
  
•  Icewind Dale II
  
  
•  Neverwinter Nights
  
  
•  and finally... Dragon Age: Origins

are over.

Dragon Age II is not a PC-RPG game. Dragon Age II is a console game. I was reading a gamespot review where the reviewer states:
" inventory management and skill progression, have been stripped down in one way or another--a case of developer BioWare inexplicably fixing that which wasn't broken."
The answer is simple, this makes the game more accessable on consoles.
I was hoping beyond hope that Bioware would not do this. This stripping down is one of the reasons that this game does not measure up to the brilliant RPG's that came before.

Maybe there is not enough money in PC gaming.
Maybe EA has a hand in making sure this game played well to the console crowd.
Who knows..
Dragon Age II is a great action-rpg game.. but it not a PC game at all .. it is a port of a console game.
Too bad.

That's funny. Do you want to know what a smartphone developer said? He was heralding the end of console gaming. 

I guess you are a bit behind, sorry bud.

[Marionetten]

toggled wrote...

PC gaming is not dead. Bioware made a business decision to focus on the console with DA2, and it's a decision they will probably come to regret. Another firm will rise to take Bioware's place as the maker of premier RPG games. That's capitalism for you.

CD Projekt certainly has a golden opportunity now that BioWare has more or less forsaken their PC fanbase.

[Tigerman123]

Psssh, a real PC gamer plays strategy and FPS titles 

[Lee T]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Maybe the RPG generation of old needs to expand their horizons and branch out. Just like traditional JRPGs are dying, so too are "classic" RPGs changing.

Yes.

Even the RPGs are changing. All this stuff about the "Bioware past" is actually 90% D&D games, licensed from TSR/WoTC. And D&D has changed over the years as well. You can't make a BG or NWN because (a) they don't have the license anymore and ( D&D is now different--you will be able to see that when Neverwinter comes out from Atari later this year.

If the leading Pen and Paper RPG is willing to change itself to become more like WoW and other MMOs, what makes you think you're going to have the old stuff back.

Actually I do think that many of the gameplay change in DA2 can be linked to the gameply changes in D&D. DA2's combat gameplay and talents are very similar to D&D 4ed style.

[suunio]

Tigerman123 wrote...

Psssh, a real PC gamer plays strategy and FPS titles 

you also forgot facebook games 

[HyperLimited]

Ugh, I think I caught the stupid while reading this thread... 

[WoooDoggie]

HyperLimited wrote...

Ugh, I think I caught the stupid while reading this thread... 

You were stupid long before this thread came around.

[MaximusPhoenix]

I enjoy both PC games and console games as someone else said too...though after playing the demo on PC first and then trying it on PS3, I am glad I got DA2 for PS3. I like the way you can control you character movement and camera at the same time.
I guess after playing MMO's on the PC for a while, the fighting style for DA2 seemed awkward for me on PC.

Anyways, no, PC gaming is not going down the drain...sigh @ OP