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[ExistsAlready]

So there I was. Sundermount. Ass deep in dragons and corpses and whatever else felt like eating me. I had given Merill her stupid mirror fixing knife and fixed her mirror. Or not. So off we prance to go and talk to some demon about fixing it for real this time. Oh noe, it's the Keeper and she went and got herself possessed and we have to kill her and boo hoo she's dead.

So I trot outside and hey, there's some Elves being angry at me. I try to calm the situation down but we have to turn these chumps into bloody lumps all the same. Big whoop. Down I go to the Dalish Camp and, somehow, they all know what I just did and decide to attack me. Mmm, chunky elf salsa.

Merill says one line about this. One. She's busy helping you slaughter her own (former) clan and she says one thing about how she can't believe it's happening. And once we're done, she doesn't say any thing else about wiping out an entire clan of Dalish and their Keeper.

Being completely bored of this goddamn mountain, I run for the zone out. And on the way I pass through a Party Conversation activating thing. And Merill has a nice chat with Varric about a ball of string. I go back to Kirkwall. Quest complete. That's it.

Just murdered an entire clan of Dalish elves and the most I got out of it was a bit of blubbering and a chat about string. Am I missing something or what?

[Pileyourbodies]

Yup. The part where Merril crys about it is bugged.

[thesuperdarkone]

A glitch means her reaction starts before the quest. Did you wonder why she was crying at first? Maybe you should follow the glitches before jumping to conclusions

[JamesX]

Yeah that reaction is actually after the quest Made a lot more sense after I did the quest... in the beginning I was like "HUH!!!!?????" then it was "awwww..... "

[Foolsfolly]

I honest to god reloaded my save and redid the quest.

Why? I thought the hostile tag on the clan had busted or something. There was nothing, she didn't speak and the game continues like you just walked out. I thought I slaughtered an entire clan of Dalish because a bug made them hostile.

I did not think that was supposed to happen because that's a BIG moment and there's nothing there after or during.

[AlexXIV]

Why does nobody pick the dialogue choice 'Blame me' by Hawke?

In that case no elf needs to be killed.

[TJPags]

Yes, Alex, that's true - but my Hawke didn't feel like taking the blame for something that wasn't his fault.

[AlexXIV]

TJPags wrote...

Yes, Alex, that's true - but my Hawke didn't feel like taking the blame for something that wasn't his fault.

Well my Hawke was in love with Merrill, so she did it

I admit I had to reload once because my first choice was 'the keeper turned into an abomination' which caused the elves to jump me.

[Foolsfolly]

No one says that because it's not Hawke's fault. Merrill's the idiot who put herself over her whole clan and made a deal with a demon. The Keeper's the idiot who paid Merrill's debt to that demon.

All Hawke did was clean up a mess that existed before Hawke ever arrived.

[Melra]

Oh well, the Dalish elves were always kind of... foolish. Purifying world from foolishness is always a good thing, even when the world is fictional.

I was expecting more of a fight though, even the thugs in Lowtown put up a better fight.

[AlexXIV]

Foolsfolly wrote...

No one says that because it's not Hawke's fault. Merrill's the idiot who put herself over her whole clan and made a deal with a demon. The Keeper's the idiot who paid Merrill's debt to that demon.

All Hawke did was clean up a mess that existed before Hawke ever arrived.

Well I can give you my reasoning.

This dialogue is stupid. Why would the elves jump you if you tell them that she turned into an abomination and leave you alone if you said that you just killed her. It should rather be the other way. I don't kill an entire elven tribe because of that. It's not about roleplaying or something. It's making sense to a situation that doesn't make sense.

[sgreco1970]

TJPags wrote...

Yes, Alex, that's true - but my Hawke didn't feel like taking the blame for something that wasn't his fault.

thank you. Plus, in my version, after we slew the entire village of Dalish, as we started to walk away Merill turned to Anders and said, "Did I ever tell you how much I like that robe of yours?" She was clealry deeply affected...

[Foolsfolly]

sgreco1970 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Yes, Alex, that's true - but my Hawke didn't feel like taking the blame for something that wasn't his fault.

thank you. Plus, in my version, after we slew the entire village of Dalish, as we started to walk away Merill turned to Anders and said, "Did I ever tell you how much I like that robe of yours?" She was clealry deeply affected...

It's such a big moment that's ruined by the way it's presented.

[TJPags]

AlexXIV wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

No one says that because it's not Hawke's fault. Merrill's the idiot who put herself over her whole clan and made a deal with a demon. The Keeper's the idiot who paid Merrill's debt to that demon.

All Hawke did was clean up a mess that existed before Hawke ever arrived.

Well I can give you my reasoning.

This dialogue is stupid. Why would the elves jump you if you tell them that she turned into an abomination and leave you alone if you said that you just killed her. It should rather be the other way. I don't kill an entire elven tribe because of that. It's not about roleplaying or something. It's making sense to a situation that doesn't make sense.

It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

[Kerilus]

AlexXIV wrote...

Why does nobody pick the dialogue choice 'Blame me' by Hawke?

In that case no elf needs to be killed.

I chose that without a second thought, after all, I'm the one who can't stop Merrill.

[Kamarek]

Yea I never understood why they attacked me when I told them the Keeper was an abomination, then again I was also hoping to be able to talk sense into the rest of the Dalish about Zathrian in DAO when i sided with the werewolves.

[lizzbee]

TJPags wrote...
It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

I always wondered why there wasn't a fourth option: give Merrill up to the Dalish for their own justice.  You can give Fenris up to the slavers, surrender Isabela to the qunari, etc.  But why not Merrill?

[TJPags]

lizzbee wrote...

TJPags wrote...
It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

I always wondered why there wasn't a fourth option: give Merrill up to the Dalish for their own justice.  You can give Fenris up to the slavers, surrender Isabela to the qunari, etc.  But why not Merrill?

Maybe Merrill is the unkillable character that must return in DA3 for continuity.

Or whatever reason there is that certain characters need to return.

[Lithuasil]

lizzbee wrote...


Also

TJPags wrote...
It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

I always wondered why there wasn't a fourth option: give Merrill up to the Dalish for their own justice.  You can give Fenris up to the slavers, surrender Isabela to the qunari, etc.  But why not Merrill?

Why would you, you monster 


It's not like it's Merills fault - she knows what she's doing, understands how these things work, and still brings two experienced mages (and a spirit) along to help her deal with the demon. The Keeper just got in our way, and got eaten by a demon in the process.

[Kerilus]

Well, she got herself eaten so Merrill won't.

[AlexXIV]

TJPags wrote...

lizzbee wrote...

TJPags wrote...
It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

I always wondered why there wasn't a fourth option: give Merrill up to the Dalish for their own justice.  You can give Fenris up to the slavers, surrender Isabela to the qunari, etc.  But why not Merrill?

Maybe Merrill is the unkillable character that must return in DA3 for continuity.

Or whatever reason there is that certain characters need to return.

I think Merril is somewhat of the key to the secrets of Ancient Arlathan. That's why I pull this quest through even though I could just tell her no. At 100% friendship she has fallen for Hawke anyway. But I think it is a good lesson for her that dealing with demons is bad and not only because she risks HER life, but also everyone's.

The Keeper was kind of foolish to do that. I mean there was still my Hawke to put things right. I don't know why people who could just ask Hawke always try to put things right on their own.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 mars 2011 - 01:11 .

[Nuke1967]

TJPags wrote...

lizzbee wrote...

TJPags wrote...
It is kind of stupid.

IIRC, you have 3 options to tell the clan:

1.  Merrill did it  "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!"
2.  Marethari turned into a demon and attacked us "KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3.  I did it  "Oh, okay, well, then go away and don't come back"

Seems that if anything should be the "fo away and don't come back" choice, it would be 2.  <shrug>


Did I miss any options?

I always wondered why there wasn't a fourth option: give Merrill up to the Dalish for their own justice.  You can give Fenris up to the slavers, surrender Isabela to the qunari, etc.  But why not Merrill?

Maybe Merrill is the unkillable character that must return in DA3 for continuity.

Or whatever reason there is that certain characters need to return.

I thought the same thing. Possible the mirror and Merrill are a big part of a future DLC or DA3.

[lizzbee]

Lithuasil wrote...
Why would you, you monster 


It's not like it's Merills fault - she knows what she's doing, understands how these things work, and still brings two experienced mages (and a spirit) along to help her deal with the demon. The Keeper just got in our way, and got eaten by a demon in the process.

  I'm not saying I did (I didn't), the same way I wouldn't give Isabela to the qunari or ever think of wounding a single white hair on Fenris' head.  Still, it just seemed weird to me, when you can screw just about everybody else over royally in this game if you really wanted to.

[Kristofer1]

so basically the keeper was right this mirror is a bad idea? damnit i keep encouraging merrill to fix the mirror. maybe i should stop...

[lizzbee]

TJPags wrote...

Maybe Merrill is the unkillable character that must return in DA3 for continuity.

Or whatever reason there is that certain characters need to return.

You're probably right.  I just wonder why you were even allowed to kill Leliana if she was the linchpin to DA3, as she seems to be.  Never mind.  The Plot Gods must know what they're doing