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[thenemesis77]

What does this tell us?  You have Leliana say to Consandra that this is no coincidence, but first you have Consandra saying...Gone, just like The Warden. I have heard David saying that it's not the same thing for Hawke or The Warden......then why have Consandra say that at all?  To say "Just like the Warden."....means the same in what she thinks has become of them.   So did they look for The Warde first?

What I'am left with is they looked for The Warden first and then came for Hawke, could not find either of them.

Leliana thinks the worst and says only the Maker can guild or help us now.


What is this leading to? Both of them being gone and then it ends.

I would love to know what you guys/gals think?

[ShrinkingFish]

Both of this age's greatest hero's have vanished at the time that the world most needs them. Meaning that there is no great hero to turn to to solve their problems. That the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket and the few people still grasping at straws trying to keep it all together have found their hands completely empty.

Don't be afraid to leap.

[Dragoonlordz]

Everyone knows there is one great hero left to become the main character in DA3, the one person who throughout both games has taken down many creatures more than the warden or hawke could solo... Yes you got it the next hero in DA3 is Sandel naturally.

[thenemesis77]

So does this mean both wil show up and both have hold inside of them what they think is best and it may not be on the same page, leading to one large battle and one final battle for what each thinks is right?

Thats almost where I think this is going, you have the greatest heros, one sided with the mages. "The Warden". Hawke witht the Teplars, ****......this is going to end bad. This is just IMO, if they go this way or we will have TIM the new PC that heads them off.....lmao.



Thats it, we as the player will pick the side of either Hawke or the Warden to play and make the world in their image or free it as they think is best.

Modifié par thenemesis77, 18 mars 2011 - 01:09 .

[thenemesis77]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Everyone knows there is one great hero left to become the main character in DA3, the one person who throughout both games has taken down many creatures more than the warden or hawke could solo... Yes you got it the next hero in DA3 is Sandel naturally.

Thats great, man if that is true......lmao. I know that Sandle knows of the god baby, he talked of him.  I don't think Sandle was talkng about the two heros he was around, Hawke and The Warden.

[TJPags]

I want to play as my Warden in DA3 . . . searching for Hawke to kill the useless SOB.

[TomY90]

I think flemeth was behind it she is wanting the revolution to continue she does not want anyone to stop it like Hawke or the Grey Warden so she either captures them or kills them etc.

Me personally I think she kills the grey warden (for killing her in Dragon Age: Origins (if you killed her) and Hawke will be thrown into the fade or beyond the fade or something along those lines and you will probably play as Hawke escaping the fade etc. does not want to kill hawke due to him/her saving her life (thats saying I doubt she has a soul like that)

[TheBlackBaron]

I think it's more along the lines of Leliana tried looking for the Warden, Cassandra tried looking for Hawke, both of them failed on both counts. So now they're meeting up again, and are trying to figure out what in the hell they're supposed to do next.

I also get the feeling the Seekers may be operating as a third party in this war between the Chantry and Mages/Templars. So they're not necessarily looking for them to help defeat the Chantry defeat the Circles (Cassandra, at least, seems to initially think Hawke has been purposefully operating against the Chantry for the last ten years, so why would she be trying to get her help?) so much as to simply try and put an end to it all.

I really, really hope this is building towards the KotOR IIIt-that-never-was, with the Warden and Hawke teaming up to fight whatever the next antagonist takes the shape of (Flemeth will almost definitely be pulling strings but I doubt she'll be a straight-up villain).

[TJPags]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I think it's more along the lines of Leliana tried looking for the Warden, Cassandra tried looking for Hawke, both of them failed on both counts. So now they're meeting up again, and are trying to figure out what in the hell they're supposed to do next.

I also get the feeling the Seekers may be operating as a third party in this war between the Chantry and Mages/Templars. So they're not necessarily looking for them to help defeat the Chantry defeat the Circles (Cassandra, at least, seems to initially think Hawke has been purposefully operating against the Chantry for the last ten years, so why would she be trying to get her help?) so much as to simply try and put an end to it all.

I really, really hope this is building towards the KotOR IIIt-that-never-was, with the Warden and Hawke teaming up to fight whatever the next antagonist takes the shape of (Flemeth will almost definitely be pulling strings but I doubt she'll be a straight-up villain).

As a serious answer, I agree with the first two paragraphs here.  The two missing is just a comparison, the Seekers are kind of acting as a Chantry last resort now.

Still not sure I buy the Warden coming back in DA3, however, in light of recent events and revelations, I withdraw my argument about how they said they'd never make the DR canon.

[dynamicdandito]

I'm pretty sure we'll have a new character in DAIII, since it's possible for the Warden to die at the end of DA:O. Course, Bioware could retcon like they did Liliana's death for those who killed her off. Shame Bioware, shame.

[EDarkness]

dynamicdandito wrote...

I'm pretty sure we'll have a new character in DAIII, since it's possible for the Warden to die at the end of DA:O. Course, Bioware could retcon like they did Liliana's death for those who killed her off. Shame Bioware, shame.

They could easily find a way to "bring back" the Warden if you killed him off in Origins.  I sure hope they don't pull a Darth Revan and have my Warden go off into the wild blue yonder never to be seen again.  It's situations like this where my Warden should be part of what's going down.  I hope they give us the satisfaction in the next game of finally putting things to rest with our Wardens from Origins.

[thenemesis77]

I think the question as it shows on Lelianas face, where is my Warden and where is Hawke? She thinks somthing bad has happend to them.

[thenemesis77]

EDarkness wrote...

dynamicdandito wrote...

I'm pretty sure we'll have a new character in DAIII, since it's possible for the Warden to die at the end of DA:O. Course, Bioware could retcon like they did Liliana's death for those who killed her off. Shame Bioware, shame.

They could easily find a way to "bring back" the Warden if you killed him off in Origins.  I sure hope they don't pull a Darth Revan and have my Warden go off into the wild blue yonder never to be seen again.  It's situations like this where my Warden should be part of what's going down.  I hope they give us the satisfaction in the next game of finally putting things to rest with our Wardens from Origins.

You are so right! Let us have a chance to play our great Warden again, I can see him/her..being what helps end this hell, damn Icon the Warden is, don't throw them away, please BioWare..I will even beg that you bring them back! I know I have thrown my pride aside, I don't care, bring them back.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Varric said Hawke either wasn't dead or probably wasn't, can't remember...

While the save I imported had a dead warden.

And Cassandra said, "Gone, just like the Warden."

............................ I believe our good friend, the Seeker, is the weakest link.

[Deadlysyns]

thenemesis77 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Everyone knows there is one great hero left to become the main character in DA3, the one person who throughout both games has taken down many creatures more than the warden or hawke could solo... Yes you got it the next hero in DA3 is Sandel naturally.

Thats great, man if that is true......lmao. I know that Sandle knows of the god baby, he talked of him.  I don't think Sandle was talkng about the two heros he was around, Hawke and The Warden.

Really you want to play as Sandal no just no i would Rather Play as A Darkspawn or maybe the OGB will be a main Character in the upcoming DA somewhere but Sandal is a Background Character for a Reason

[Scott Sion]

My warden went with Morrigan into the Eluvian, maybe they'll have a DLC where Hawke goes with Merril into hers? I'm sure Morrigan, Flemeth, and the Eluvians are going to play a big later in the storyline i'm just not sure how. I'm also sure that Flemeth and Morrigan knew this whole thing with the templars was going to happen but i thinks thats only the begining. I'm really curious as to what Morrigan needed the Eluvian for know, I wish Merril finished hers during the game but there probably gonna save that for DLC, for now Bioware has me at the edge of my seat with both the DA and ME series.

It would be so bad ass if your warden, Hawke, and the DA3 character got together and kicked some ass.

[TheBlackBaron]

TJPags wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I think it's more along the lines of Leliana tried looking for the Warden, Cassandra tried looking for Hawke, both of them failed on both counts. So now they're meeting up again, and are trying to figure out what in the hell they're supposed to do next.

I also get the feeling the Seekers may be operating as a third party in this war between the Chantry and Mages/Templars. So they're not necessarily looking for them to help defeat the Chantry defeat the Circles (Cassandra, at least, seems to initially think Hawke has been purposefully operating against the Chantry for the last ten years, so why would she be trying to get her help?) so much as to simply try and put an end to it all.

I really, really hope this is building towards the KotOR IIIt-that-never-was, with the Warden and Hawke teaming up to fight whatever the next antagonist takes the shape of (Flemeth will almost definitely be pulling strings but I doubt she'll be a straight-up villain).

As a serious answer, I agree with the first two paragraphs here.  The two missing is just a comparison, the Seekers are kind of acting as a Chantry last resort now.

Still not sure I buy the Warden coming back in DA3, however, in light of recent events and revelations, I withdraw my argument about how they said they'd never make the DR canon.

I was convinced that DA2 was going to be set in Orlais after finishing Awakening, since all the epilogues seemed to clear the way for severing the Warden's ties with Ferelden and having him mysteriously dissappear, so I'm a little hesitant to make the same assumptions lest I get burned again. However, once again the various signs seem to be pointing towards Orlais at least playing a prominent role in DA3, so if your Warden did the US ending then it makes a lot of sense for the Orlesian Warden from Awakening to be there and filling the role. 

And if your Warden didn't, there's really nothing stopping him from reappearing outside of people's own preconceptions about what Bioware can and can't do. I happen think Bioware's got a pretty damned good team of writers, and if that's really the direction they want to go down then they can find a way to do it. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 18 mars 2011 - 09:18 .

[Scott Sion]

Deadlysyns wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Everyone knows there is one great hero left to become the main character in DA3, the one person who throughout both games has taken down many creatures more than the warden or hawke could solo... Yes you got it the next hero in DA3 is Sandel naturally.

Thats great, man if that is true......lmao. I know that Sandle knows of the god baby, he talked of him.  I don't think Sandle was talkng about the two heros he was around, Hawke and The Warden.

Really you want to play as Sandal no just no i would Rather Play as A Darkspawn or maybe the OGB will be a main Character in the upcoming DA somewhere but Sandal is a Background Character for a Reason

Want to play as a Darkspawn? buy darkspawn chronicles. Wanna befriend and make love to darkspawn? get help.

[BubbleDncr]

when i first heard them mention the warden at the end, i got super excited about omg what does this mean for da3?!?! is it gonna have both of them?!?!

Then i slowly came to the realization that it probably just is bioware's way of saying that da3 will have a whole new protagonist. I hope that's not the case, cos the way the ending is presented doesn't come off that way - it comes off as the way everyone on the forums has interpreted it. DA3 could have had a whole new protagonist, and I wouldn't have questioned it...but that damn line at the end gets my hopes up and i'm afraid i'll end up disappointed.

[Boradam]

thenemesis77 wrote...

Thats great, man if that is true......lmao. I know that Sandle knows of the god baby, he talked of him.  I don't think Sandle was talkng about the two heros he was around, Hawke and The Warden.

Nope, he was refering to the Maker.

[BubbleDncr]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

TJPags wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I think it's more along the lines of Leliana tried looking for the Warden, Cassandra tried looking for Hawke, both of them failed on both counts. So now they're meeting up again, and are trying to figure out what in the hell they're supposed to do next.

I also get the feeling the Seekers may be operating as a third party in this war between the Chantry and Mages/Templars. So they're not necessarily looking for them to help defeat the Chantry defeat the Circles (Cassandra, at least, seems to initially think Hawke has been purposefully operating against the Chantry for the last ten years, so why would she be trying to get her help?) so much as to simply try and put an end to it all.

I really, really hope this is building towards the KotOR IIIt-that-never-was, with the Warden and Hawke teaming up to fight whatever the next antagonist takes the shape of (Flemeth will almost definitely be pulling strings but I doubt she'll be a straight-up villain).

As a serious answer, I agree with the first two paragraphs here.  The two missing is just a comparison, the Seekers are kind of acting as a Chantry last resort now.

Still not sure I buy the Warden coming back in DA3, however, in light of recent events and revelations, I withdraw my argument about how they said they'd never make the DR canon.

I was convinced that DA2 was going to be set in Orlais after finishing Awakening, since all the epilogues seemed to clear the way for severing the Warden's ties with Ferelden and having him mysteriously dissappear, so I'm a little hesitatnt to make the same assumptions lest I get burned again. However, once again the various signs seem to be pointing towards Orlais at least playing a prominent role in DA3, so if your Warden did the US ending then it makes a lot of sense for the Orlesian Warden from Awakening to be there and filling the role. 

And if your Warden didn't, there's really nothing stopping him from reappearing outside of peple's own preconceptions about what Bioware can and can't do. I happen think Bioware's got a pretty damned good team of writers, and if that's really the direction they want to go down then they can find a way to do it. 

I keep trying to not build my hopes up, but I could buy recreating your Warden or the Orleisian Warden for DA3, and having Hawke show up at one point to also be a party member. The main reason I would think they wouldn't do this is cos they don't want to alienate people who didn't play the 1st or 2nd one (which I believe is why most of our decisions from origins didn't matter), but....

1) it's totally acceptable to have to recreate the hero of ferelden - ten years has passed, and people change.

2) the beauty of having a default Hawke is that he/she can show up, even if people idn't play DA2. 

[King Killoth]

well considering my Warden had a baby with Morrigan than left with her into the mirror. she did say something about going into the future. and my main hawk is with merrill and I don't know what dlc will come out later but I hope it has something to do with her mirror.I hope in DA3 will have hawke looking for the warden to help him save the world. and I would love to have my warden back. I connected more with my warden than with hawke. It would be really cool to have voice over for each warden origin and gender.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I didn't understand why they said "Gone, just like the Warden." My warden should be pretty easy to find. She's the one wearing a crown sitting on a gilded throne.

[Defied]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I didn't understand why they said "Gone, just like the Warden." My warden should be pretty easy to find. She's the one wearing a crown sitting on a gilded throne.

It's been what, 8-9 years since the end of the Blight when she is questioning Varric about Hawke, alot could of happened by then.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Defied wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I didn't understand why they said "Gone, just like the Warden." My warden should be pretty easy to find. She's the one wearing a crown sitting on a gilded throne.

It's been what, 8-9 years since the end of the Blight when she is questioning Varric about Hawke, alot could of happened by then.

Well when you meet Alistair in Act 3 which is nearing the whole cataclysm he mentions the "ball and chain" so she's still strutting around the palace eating turkish delights.