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[vigna]

This is all interesting...theories are endless. I think hawke will obviously appear in DLC.
I'm thinking Hawke and the Warden will appear in cameo or mentioned heavily in DA3. I believe Flemeth and Morrigan are behind both of their disappearances in one way or another. The Warden could be siding with morrigan, and Hawke could be siding with Flemeth (Hawke has no reason to not trust Flemeth.per se).

This could be part of the conflict in DA3.....seekers/Chantry vs mages/circle vs darkspawn/architect with The Warden, Hawke, and the new hero caught in the middle of all these forces-- combined with the conflict between Flemeth and Morrigan...
That would be epic.
The new hero could be the power swing in any direction.

Modifié par vigna, 18 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[fourwindsbar]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Defied wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I didn't understand why they said "Gone, just like the Warden." My warden should be pretty easy to find. She's the one wearing a crown sitting on a gilded throne.

It's been what, 8-9 years since the end of the Blight when she is questioning Varric about Hawke, alot could of happened by then.

Well when you meet Alistair in Act 3 which is nearing the whole cataclysm he mentions the "ball and chain" so she's still strutting around the palace eating turkish delights.

But we don't know how long has passed between the end of Varric's story and his interrogation do we? (I'm honestly asking because my memory isn't very reliable.) S/he probably disappeared after Act 3 but before the ending scene, or that's what I'm assuming.

[andysdead]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Both of this age's greatest hero's have vanished at the time that the world most needs them. Meaning that there is no great hero to turn to to solve their problems. That the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket and the few people still grasping at straws trying to keep it all together have found their hands completely empty.

Don't be afraid to leap.

...making room for a new hero to emerge in Dragon Age 3....

[GehnTheGrey]

I just thought, Leliana says that the Warden is gone at the end of the game. But in my meeting with King Alistair, as they leave, Bann Teagan says, "The Hero of Ferelden should be back in Denerim." Now, I'm fairly sure that the period of time between meeting with Alistair and the final set of events in DA 2 are not very far apart at all. So either Leliana is an awful Seeker and didn't look very hard for the Warden, or his disappearance would have to be quite recent. And she would have literally just come from trying to find him in Denerim before she met Cassandra.

I'm aware Teagan does say "Should be," but he seems to speak with an air of confidence about the matter, as if Alistair meeting the Warden was prearranged. Considering my Warden also went through the Iluvien with Morrigan, that mention of him surprised me.

Couple this with the fact that the Grey Wardens wanted to retrace Hawkes Deep Roads expedition, this becomes interesting. My guess would be that the idol which was found down there has a lot more significance than people give it credit for. Perhaps it is connected in some way to the Darkspawn corruption process. As corrupt it certainly does. This could be a good reason for the Warden to have resurfaced near the end of DA 2's events. Maybe Morrigan knew what the idol was (or that there are more than one of them) and needed it. Maybe the Warden just decided it was dangerous enough to mobilise the Grey Wardens once more. Either way, if the Grey Wardens are indeed interested in the Idol and not something else entirely, then it must have a Darkspawn connection.

Modifié par GehnTheGrey, 18 mars 2011 - 04:00 .

[Morogrem]

well first i think you need to lrn2read cause its cassandra (who the **** is consandra?)

second I still maintain that it would be awesome if they have you playing hawke again (which considering they spent all this time setting them up as a hero is pretty likely, makes no sense to do a rise to power story and then have the story end there) an have you hooking up with the hero of ferelden (if theyre not dead) as a companion. A) it would be awesome because you could see how your character acts based on the decisions you made, take a look at a character you made from the outside. and it would potentially mean you could romance youreself (lol just kidding... or am I?)

Modifié par Morogrem, 18 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[jma2286]

It makes sense for both to disappear because the Warden, like the Grey Wardens, knows where the Darkspawn are, and has a broad range of circumstances that might call for his/her aid elsewhere such as the plight of the Dalish, helping Orzammar, etc. Hawke can disappear for a number of reasons - he/she is the most powerful single individual in a city of thousands, with influence, coin, and contacts across likely the entire Free Marches, especially if he/she became Viscount.

Besides, you guys are not keeping in mind that the world is a huge place and years are passing by. By the time that Cassandra throws Varric into Hawke's mansion looking for answers, 10 years have passed since the Fifth Blight. It's been three years since the mage/templar explosion in Kirkwall. A lot can happen in that time.

Hopefully DLC does more to explain the three year gap between Meredith vs. Orsino and Cassandra finding Varric. I think the best way to do that is through Starkhaven or Tantervale, with some crisis happening there that explains why Hawke disappeared. They are right down the river from Nevarra, where Cassandra is from, and if whatever happens there is between year 7 and 10, then it explains why she would be dispatched.

Modifié par jma2286, 18 mars 2011 - 05:12 .

[Lathandril]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I think it's more along the lines of Leliana tried looking for the Warden, Cassandra tried looking for Hawke, both of them failed on both counts. So now they're meeting up again, and are trying to figure out what in the hell they're supposed to do next.

I also get the feeling the Seekers may be operating as a third party in this war between the Chantry and Mages/Templars. So they're not necessarily looking for them to help defeat the Chantry defeat the Circles (Cassandra, at least, seems to initially think Hawke has been purposefully operating against the Chantry for the last ten years, so why would she be trying to get her help?) so much as to simply try and put an end to it all.

I really, really hope this is building towards the KotOR IIIt-that-never-was, with the Warden and Hawke teaming up to fight whatever the next antagonist takes the shape of (Flemeth will almost definitely be pulling strings but I doubt she'll be a straight-up villain).

Leliana met Hawke

[TheJediSaint]

Well I'm sure that Bioware is already cooking up Hawke's next adventure, though I doubt we will be encountering the Warden directly. What would be interesting though, is while we play through as Hawke, we hear about what the Warden is doing concurrent to Hawke. Say that depending on the way you played your Warden in DAO, it will then assume what kinds of actions your Warden would take during the Mage/Templar crisis. For example, if the Warden saved the Mages circle in the first game, he/she is assumed to be sympathetic towards the Mages. Or if he/she tends to try to get the best outcomes, such as going to the circle to save Connor or getting Zathrian to remove the curse on the werewolves, then the game would assume that the Warden is playing the role of hero. Conversely of course, it could also assume the Warden is a huge bastard if that is how you played your Warden.

[Freestorm Skinn]

vigna wrote...

This is all interesting...theories are endless. I think hawke will obviously appear in DLC.
I'm thinking Hawke and the Warden will appear in cameo or mentioned heavily in DA3. I believe Flemeth and Morrigan are behind both of their disappearances in one way or another. The Warden could be siding with morrigan, and Hawke could be siding with Flemeth (Hawke has no reason to not trust Flemeth.per se).

This could be part of the conflict in DA3.....seekers/Chantry vs mages/circle vs darkspawn/architect with The Warden, Hawke, and the new hero caught in the middle of all these forces-- combined with the conflict between Flemeth and Morrigan...
That would be epic.
The new hero could be the power swing in any direction.

Bioware have already they plan to release DLC featuring Hawke & Co, and the flashback structure makes it easier to insert new chapters about Hawke's time in Kirkwall.

[TJPags]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

vigna wrote...

This is all interesting...theories are endless. I think hawke will obviously appear in DLC.
I'm thinking Hawke and the Warden will appear in cameo or mentioned heavily in DA3. I believe Flemeth and Morrigan are behind both of their disappearances in one way or another. The Warden could be siding with morrigan, and Hawke could be siding with Flemeth (Hawke has no reason to not trust Flemeth.per se).

This could be part of the conflict in DA3.....seekers/Chantry vs mages/circle vs darkspawn/architect with The Warden, Hawke, and the new hero caught in the middle of all these forces-- combined with the conflict between Flemeth and Morrigan...
That would be epic.
The new hero could be the power swing in any direction.

Bioware have already they plan to release DLC featuring Hawke & Co, and the flashback structure makes it easier to insert new chapters about Hawke's time in Kirkwall.

Are you talking about in-game DLC, like RtO?  Because otherwise, how is the flashback structure going to work?  Cassandra left Varric, and let him leave, at the end of the game.  What's he doing, sitting in the Hanged Man telling stories to random strangers now in exchange for a jog of wine?

[tbsking]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what characters said or what actions were shown during the course of DA2. Bioware has stated that they don't want to impose their own canon on players, but there's little supporting evidence.

Leliana and Anders return no matter how dead they might be, reference is made to the Warden in Act 2 no matter how disappeared they're supposed to be by then. Other small decisions are glossed over or implied to have happened in one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware decided that all our Wardens did the Dark Ritual and disappeared through the mirror with Morrigan.

[thenemesis77]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

vigna wrote...

This is all interesting...theories are endless. I think hawke will obviously appear in DLC.
I'm thinking Hawke and the Warden will appear in cameo or mentioned heavily in DA3. I believe Flemeth and Morrigan are behind both of their disappearances in one way or another. The Warden could be siding with morrigan, and Hawke could be siding with Flemeth (Hawke has no reason to not trust Flemeth.per se).

This could be part of the conflict in DA3.....seekers/Chantry vs mages/circle vs darkspawn/architect with The Warden, Hawke, and the new hero caught in the middle of all these forces-- combined with the conflict between Flemeth and Morrigan...
That would be epic.
The new hero could be the power swing in any direction.

Bioware have already they plan to release DLC featuring Hawke & Co, and the flashback structure makes it easier to insert new chapters about Hawke's time in Kirkwall.

That really seems boring and dull, by the time the game edned, I hated Kirkwall. Having quest that kept on and kept on going back to the same places. I was glad act 3  was short, by that time I was ready to end the game. I have played my 3rd and last start to endgame and to me nothing changes, it's all the same and I started to see how the characters were not very good going into act 3.  They seemed hollowed out, same with Hawke.

I played DAO so many times over but this is not a game I would play that much and point of fact I won't and more trips with Hawke and Kirkwall, count me out. As one guy said, a rags to richs kind of story and that really is what it is.

I said the game was good but not for more then at the least a few plays, it gets very old and all ends the same with Hawke running off, what a real hero of the age.

[Arppis]

As long as I get to romance Cassandra, I don't care.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

CerI3erus wrote...

im still curious about the wardens that jump in the end of act 2 where were they headed?

If you take a screenshot and zoom in on the Warden in the back you can see he has a map titled "To DA3" in his hand. 

:lol:

[Augtastic]

The Wardens in the deep roads could be scouting for a potential first strike against the remaining archdemons. I don't remember exactly, but I think there's still 3 or 4 of them left.

They could also believe that the lyrium idol in the primordial thaig could have something to do with how the archdemons were corrupted in the first place. Would explain why they were in Kirkwall during the Qunari attack, maybe they were looking for the remnants of the idol.

[CerealWar]

My warden died at the end of DA:O but was referred to, twice, as still breathing . So I'm assuming the end dialogue depends on how the game reacted to your saves. The warden commander mysteriously disappears at the end of DA:A. If you rolled a new character in DA:A instead of importing, the Seeker probably refers to the warden as "warden commander" or something. This is just speculation though D:

There's probably going to be a new bad-ass expansion since I heard rumor that the hard level cap was around fifty. Maybe we'll get two expansions like with Neverwinter. Speaking of Neverwinter, remember how at the end of the first one, the lizard lady said that our story had only begun? Never picked up from there . I hope it isn't the case with this. The art team put way too much time into designing both Hawkes to just drop the character.

[6_Dave_9]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Everyone knows there is one great hero left to become the main character in DA3, the one person who throughout both games has taken down many creatures more than the warden or hawke could solo... Yes you got it the next hero in DA3 is Sandel naturally.

What are you talking about?
Sandal is the evil genius who has cause the disappearance of hawke and warden!

[JamieCOTC]

DA3:

The Warden will be gone for good, presumably gone on their Calling or something, but basically never heard from again. The Warden poses a particular difficult challenge to BW as s/he can be male or female, from three different races and have seven different backgrounds. Even if they only had two voice actors for the Warden, it would still be difficult and after DA2 I don't think they are up to that challenge. Another thing to consider is Warden fatigue for the writers at BW. How long did they work on DA:O? Years? Creating a popular character like the Warden (and Shepard) is both a blessing and a curse. It is blessing in that the character is remembered fondly, but a curse in that you're stuck w/ one character for so long. DA3 will most likely mention the Warden, but probably not as much as DA2.

Hawke has a better chance of making a cameo in DA3, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I actually would like to see Hawke the main PC of DA3 again, give him/her another chance for a better game, but again, I won't hold my breath. IMO, there's pretty much no way BW can do a DA3 w/out at least mentioning Hawke as s/he played such a vital role in DA2. The Warden saved Thedas, but Hawke helped to change Thedas forever.

The Warden and Hawke together is NOT going to happen. Yes, it would be epic beyond belief, but even if they wanted to do it, w/ DA2 BW has proven that they are nowhere near up to that sort of challenge. Tis sad.

[Hedera]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, and I think they could do a Warden cameo the same way they did the Proving in the casteless dwarf origin. Just have the Warden wearing a helmet and nod or shake his/her head. No need for dialogue, then, and a nice little reference to the non-voiced protagonist.

[Fault Girl]

I reckon possible DLC as people have already stated might be within the 3 years between the war and Varric telling Cassandra the story.

When is witch hunt supposed to take place within the timeline, cos when you meet Alistair (if your a female) says he needs to get back and that is 6/7 years after the blight. So does witch hunt happen after then? or before?
With the epilogue saying in Awakenings that your warden goes off, I thought that was for the witch hunt DLC, so that could take place 7 years after Awakenings?

The case is your Warden dissappears whether you go through the mirror or not, so there must be something happening.

hmmmmm

[AmiLee]

Maybe something is pulling the string, most likely Flemeth, for these two great heroes to disappear. At a time when the world needed them they simply disappeared, maybe it was chance or destiny. Something must be keeping them from changing a course of history someone wants to make happen. Therefore making them a variable that is to dangerous to leave alone.

So many theories but those ending words made me really curious about Dragon Age III.

[Morroian]

tbsking wrote...

Leliana and Anders return no matter how dead they might be,

Has someone who killed Leliana had her re-appear in DA2 after importing that particular save?

[Last Vizard]

thenemesis77 wrote...

So does this mean both wil show up and both have hold inside of them what they think is best and it may not be on the same page, leading to one large battle and one final battle for what each thinks is right?

Thats almost where I think this is going, you have the greatest heros, one sided with the mages. "The Warden". Hawke witht the Teplars, ****......this is going to end bad. This is just IMO, if they go this way or we will have TIM the new PC that heads them off.....lmao.



Thats it, we as the player will pick the side of either Hawke or the Warden to play and make the world in their image or free it as they think is best.

Hawke and Warden are Mages, Alister is trying to help Mages but the Chantry was in the way... now that its falling apart i don't see any reason why Ferelden should be in any danger because Alister is a great King and friend to Mages. Warden and Hawk + hero of the third game will put the world back together (third hero being the living god son of my Warden Mage who is a Valeru and will therefore age quickly untill he reaches his peak).

They will need to have a voice actor for it and give us the chance to create the Wardens face and such for the game to work.... or the Warden can go use sign language.

[Deadlysyns]

So According to the codex the Seekers are there to watch the Templars does that mean they are more trying to find out wtf that lyrium Idol is and how it influenced Meredith