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Teddie Sage

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Yes, you lost your parents and your precious family through mass murder. Sure, we understand that you're a Chantry fan boy. Still, you don't want to go back at Starkhaven after we looted the enemies for your precious family heirloom. Hey, we avenged your family and in six damn years all you do is whine that you won't go back at your country. When Anders did something to your precious Chantry, you became mad at us because I chose to let him live, then you decided to go back at your Starkhaven, saying that you will come back to seek revenge? 

NO! Sebastian, you're the biggest tool ever. You're so full of it. You've been gone for years, your country will probably reject you as a prince, because you're such a failure. And the fact that your countrymen or soldiers didn't search for you tells us pretty much how much your people care about you, miserable bowman. You may be strong and kind, it doesn't change the fact that you turned your back on me and our crew when we needed you the most. You coward!

Next time our paths cross, I will not hesitate to smash your head with my broadsword...

Friendly yours,
Hawke

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Sorry if this post shocked some readers, I just had a long night and I still can't get over the fact Sebastian was such a wuss. Bleh... XD Still, I wonder how this will play out in the sequel.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 18 mars 2011 - 02:23 .


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SmokeyTheBear

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Hmm....

I don't even have the DLC.

Choices choices....................................

"You killed my family, prepare to die."

BioWare, I owe you several bucks.

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And your AI sucks too!

...sorry, I just had to. In my first play through it was always Sebastian that would get himself killed by running right next to me, never Varric.

I still bring him though, double archers is nice.

Modifié par DM Veil, 18 mars 2011 - 02:13 .


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CitizenSnips

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He's an annoying less capable version of Varric.

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MJF JD

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You do have to wonder if Sebastian's tantrum has any weight behind it.

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TJPags

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I admit, I was thrown off by the <3 in the title, but otherwise, I approve of this thread.

Damn Sebastian can't make up his mind. We know why HE never changes outfits throughout the game . . . .

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Teddie Sage

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I'm planning to use him more in my next playthrough since I'm planning to use characters I haven't played with much on my first file. I need to hear more about his party banters. But dang, he annoyed me so much at the end. LOL

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Any companion that turns on the main character in an RPG with threats should generally die in a cutscene when the main character picks the 'Nah you're not going anywhere' option.

Thats my take.

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Larryboy_Dragon

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I liked Sebastian. He's the one NPC who won't ignore his own ideals and do whatever you'd like just because you've been nice to him a few times.

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MJF JD

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I wanted a "no one even likes you, the only reason you are here is because i ordered the signature edition." option.

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Teddie Sage

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I wanted to Knife Murder him so bad... Any chances to add this option in a future patch, BioWare? Please? Pretty please? XD

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DM Veil

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I do love his conversation with Anders about his belt buckle though, it's a classic.

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I agree with OP. It's about the same rant I had when he left me before the last battle.

BUT!!!!

Don't you find his waistline really.... sexy? I mean.... Everytime when he turns around, I looked at his chest and waist line, I'm like...oh~~~~(heart shaped eyes).

I won't romance him though, his personality sucks (even more than Anders).

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MJF JD wrote...

You do have to wonder if Sebastian's tantrum has any weight behind it.


This is the thought I had, as well.  I was actually hoping that there was some going to be some future DLC about this, actually. Because that'd be great.

Besides my personal feelings about him and his desertion of my party (really, Sebastian, I'm not knifing my lover for you no matter what he did, no offense), his final words left me stung, and rang in my ears for a long time afterward. It's one of the moments in the game that stuck out most in my memory.

So either the voice actor that played Sebastian was much better than I had ever noticed, and that scene was better written than I was expecting (not that I was expecting it to be poorly written), or he's really going to do it, and I'm going to be pleading with him not to fight me, because I will bash his head in before I hand Anders over.

Ah, crazy fangirl love. Sigh.

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I've tried really, really, really hard to sympathize with him in the ending. I understand where he's coming from whenever I choose to let Anders live, but god damn does he annoy me. To the point that I wish there was a way to turn off the DLC during that final cutscene, NOT because he walks out on me but because he doesn't fit. It's like, "Can you wait a moment, Sebastian? The adults are having a conversation here."

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Yeah Sebastian sounds really pathetic at the end, after he pissed and moaned throughout the game. NOW he want to go back to Starkhaven. And only so he can come back and lay waste to an entire city? What a ******. Good thing he's an indecisive little wimp full of hot air, who would obviously make a terrible ruler, and no one in Starkhaven will respect. Otherwise my Hawke WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM. You don't just threaten to destroy an entire city in front of me. Still wish I had a ****slap option. /rant

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Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm planning to use him more in my next playthrough since I'm planning to use characters I haven't played with much on my first file. I need to hear more about his party banters. But dang, he annoyed me so much at the end. LOL


You're not missing much. His party banter is "preachy".

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Sebastian should totally just take that a terrorist blew up his adoptive home and killed his adoptive mother. What a whiner. I mean, what a cry baby.

/sarcasm

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Sebastian is a putz, but gods is his voice sexy <3

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Sebastian should have went back to Starkhaven after HAWKE KILLED HIS ENEMIES. Sebastian could only stay alive when i took control of him, and my word does he sound like Billy Graham on a Sunday morning.

I cant wait to get the last trophy for his DLC so i can never go pick him up again. Add in the fact that my beautiful female warrior throws herself at him several times and he is so holy he wont touch her, what a true ******.

Sebastian has been to WORST NPC that Bioware has ever made, and at the same time been the best since he has invoked such discussion.

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mushoops86anjyl wrote...

He's an annoying less capable version of Varric.


This. Varric has  killer reactions and funny conversations with your party members on a regular basis. Aside from teasing Merrill and the belt buckle conversation with Anders, Sebastian just got on my nerves.

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Him and Aveline is pretty much the same :P Whiny pricks who needs to get off their high horses. Dislike them both. But even disliking characters is a good thing. Better than not caring at all, like with crazy-Anders

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mrsph wrote...

Sebastian should totally just take that a terrorist blew up his adoptive home and killed his adoptive mother. What a whiner. I mean, what a cry baby.

/sarcasm


Pretty much this. Much as I loved Anders up to THAT point......I can understand Sebastian 100%. And unlike Alistair's "Wah, didn't get what I wanted! I'm leavin'!", Sebastian's threat of returning with an army really could have DIRE consequences. I wonder how that will play out in the future.

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mrsph wrote...

Sebastian should totally just take that a terrorist blew up his adoptive home and killed his adoptive mother. What a whiner. I mean, what a cry baby.

/sarcasm


He openly flouted the Grand Cleric's demands to her face!  He does not respect her judgement one bit.  And now he starts caring.  And that is beside the point.  Threatening to lay waste to an entire city due to the actions of one man makes him just as zealous as Meridith.  I agree Bioware did a great job writing him. :P

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Sure, he openly is seeking revenge again even though the Grand Cleric says Death is not Justice. But the spirit of Justice became Vengeance and rained death on Kirkwall, so Justice is really screwed up. The Grand Cleric was like a mother to him. Can anyone here who grew up with parent-like figure say they always agreed with that person's concepts? Anyone? I can't. And sometimes that means I've gotten burned but it doesn't mean I didn't act rashly and did what I want instead of what was taught to me.

Some people don't like Sebastian because they're bothered by the fact he's religious. It's like the people who dislike Fenris because they hate that he hates mages. But you know what? Sebastian DOES NOT betray you. Sebastian does not lie to you. Sebastian is relatively sheltered, only 28, and he's lost his entire family, he doesn't really know if he can handle being a king, and he admits it. He feels a responsibility, but he's worried he wants power for the wrong reasons. He's honest and open about who he is and his fears. You can feel free to dislike him, but of course his talk is going to be preachy. He's been in the chantry for his adult life. He went in when he was THIRTEEN. The man hasn't really experienced a different life.

The more believable last scene would have been for Sebastian to have picked up his bow and someone have to tackle him before he shot Anders himself. Because honestly? That's what I would do. If someone just destroyed my home in front of me and killed my mother figure in front of me and said they did it JUST SO THERE COULD BE NO COMPROMISE?!? If I had something remotely weapon shaped near me, I'd be after them. I'd let Hawke deal with the battle with whatever side Hawke chose, and while Anders is sitting there pensively, he'd be dead.

As I said in a different thread, we also don't know if Sebastian won't reconsider things once he's had a chance to grieve after he's left. He has a lot to handle in getting his throne back and making sure things are truly under control in Starkhaven. But give the guy a break, okay? HAWKE was the LAST thing Sebastian had that was familiar. Absolutely last thing... well, besides his belief system. Which you also see him rely to when he chokes back his grief to commend their souls to the maker. Why wouldn't he look to you to take care of the issue? I think it's quite understandable that he looks to the very last thing that's familiar to him. Starkhaven isn't familiar anymore, his home is gone, his family is gone. All he has is the people he's become friends with. And Sebastian discusses with Fenris how they should be turning in the apostates, and Sebastian even nervously tries to suggest lots to decide whether it's him or Fenris. Fenris, in one of the more amusing moments of the game, goes "Nuh huh. If you want to turn in one of Hawke's friends, you take it up with Hawke." Sebastian never DOES take it up with you. And Fenris hits the nail on the head earlier in that banter that Sebastian is only hesitating because of Hawke. Now one of those apostates which Sebastian felt should have been turned in...just destroyed everything. So yes, he shouts angrily in his grief and makes a threat and is hurting that Hawke betrayed him by standing by Anders. And you are betraying him. It's not like Anders denied doing it. As I asked in another thread- Hypothetically, if, for some reason, Varric had been in the Chantry when Anders blew it up and Varric was dead, would you still be so quick to say Sebastian is whining and how dare he think Anders should die? If it was one of the companions like Varric that most people REALLY love? I think people would be falling on the other side of the issue in that case.