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Bioware Neglected Their Core Audience: The Straight Male Gamer


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Bastal

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Continuation of the Discussion Here:
http://social.biowar...3345/19#6610234

To summarize, in the case of Dragon Age 2, BioWare neglected their main demographic: The Straight Male Gamer.

I don't think many would argue with the fact that the overwhelming majority of RPG gamers are indeed straight and male. Sure, there are a substantial amount of women who play video games, but they're usually gamers who play games like The Sims, rather than games like Dragon Age. That's not to say there isn't a significant number of women who play Dragon Age and that BioWare should forego the option of playing as a women altogether, but there should have been much more focus in on making sure us male gamers were happy.

Now immediately I'm sure that some male gamers are going to be like "YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME! I LOVE DRAGON AGE 2!", but you have to understand, the Straight Male Gamer, cannot be just lumped into a single category.

Its ridiculous that I even have to use a term like Straight Male Gamer, when in the past I would only have to say fans, but it is as if when the designers were deciding on how to use their limited resources, instead of thinking "We have fans who loved Alistair and we have fans who thought Alistair was annoying. We have fans that thought Morrigan was great and we have fans that thought that she was a ****. And we have fans who liked the combat and we have fans who hated the combat but liked the story. How do we make make all these groups happy?" Instead, it is as if they went "We have straight males, straight females, gays and liberal lesbians. How do we make all these groups happy?"

In every previous BioWare game, I always felt that almost every companion in the game was designed for the male gamer in mind. Every female love interest was always written as a male friend type support character. In Dragon Age 2, I felt like most of the companions were designed to appeal to other groups foremost, Anders and Fenris for the fanatical gays and Aveline for the feminist liberal type who decry the lack of strong women in games, and that for the straight male gamer, a secondary concern. When one of your companion makes a gay pass on you, how can you take him seriously anymore? The fact that a "No Homosexuality" option, which could have been easily implemented, is omitted just proves my point. I know there are straight male gamers out there who did not mind it at all, it was disturbing to say the least.

When I say BioWare neglected The Straight Male Gamer, I don't mean that they ignored male gamers. The romance options, Isabella and Merrill, were clearly designed for the straight male gamers in mind. Unfortunately, those choices are what one would call "exotic" choices. They appeal to a subset of male gamers and while its true you can't make a romance option everyone will love, with Isabella and Merrill it seems like they weren't even going for an option most males will like. And the fact is, they could have. They had the resources to add another romance option, but instead chose to implement a gay romance with Anders. 

I'm certain that those gay activists and feminist will declare "That's only fair!" but lets be honest. I'll be generous and assume that 5% of all Dragon Age 2 players are actually homosexuals. I'll be even more generous and assume that the Anders romance was liked by every homosexual. Are you really telling me that you could not have written another straight romance that would have pleased more than 5% of your fans? 

Dragon Age 2 did have its faults no doubt, objectively; combat that was fun initially but quickly got tedious as a result of constantly respawing enemies and too many random encounters, not so well disguised re-used environments, a flawed equipment system in which most of the loot you got could not be used. And subjectively, I've seen complaints of the new faster combat, the new dialogue wheel and so forth. But truth to be told, I wasn't happy with every single aspect of Origins either, but still I loved that game. The gameplay elements are only a part of an RPG, theres the story and characters that drive it. If the same amount focus and attention to characters were given for me as there was in Origins, I'm sure that even with all those technical flaws, I would have found Dragon Age 2 a good game, a flawed game, but still good. As it stands right now, with mediocre characters and mediocre gameplay, Dragon Age 2 is a mediocre game and I'd rate it as such. 

David Gaider replied in the last thread stating, "There's a lot of assumption in there, not the least of which is certain amount of privilege (not to mention an assumption that all straight male gamers must like the same thing)". It's odd to me that David realized that not all straight male gamers like the same thing, yet thought it prudent to try to include a cast that would be liked by straight male gamers, straight female gamers, gays and lesbians with a development time of 18 months. I just hope that the next game BioWare will get its priorities right or spend more time making the game.

Modifié par Bastal, 18 mars 2011 - 02:28 .


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K12aze

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I'm honestly shocked that this is being restarted.

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Fenrirulfr

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5%? you greatly underestimate how many female and homosexual players play these games. This wall of text just came off as ignorance on your part. out of all the problems this game has, homosexual relations are not one of them. In fact add more, some of the best moments I had with this game was tricking my homophobic friends to have sex with male characters due to the crappy dialog wheel.

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Bastal wrote...

Sure, there are a substantial amount of women who play video games, but they're usually gamers who play games like The Sims, rather than games like Dragon Age.


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But you have to understand, the Straight Male Gamer, cannot be just lumped into a single category.

 
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AngelicMachinery

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Copy pasta!

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Nokternul

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Volatile topic.

I'm a straight male gamer. I have no problem with homosexual or bisexuals, or having their interests facilitated in a game such as DA. I have enjoyed DA:O and DAII thus far, currently in my second playthrough for DAII, and eagerly anticipating DLC/expansion content as well as DAIII.

First, I think it's unnecessary to presume to know what portion of the customer base is straight or not. I will say that I at least partially agree with some of what you've said. It does feel like there is a lack of straight romance options for MaleHawke--Isabella and Merril being (in my mind) the two general options. Admittedly, I find both of these characters appealing in their own right--they each have distinct personalities, dialogue, and attributes which I find entertaining to one degree or another (though I think BioWare may have gone slightly overboard with Isabela's promiscuity, or at least how much she seems to flaunt it while already romantically involved).

I actually think these two options would have been plenty were the depth of romantic interaction greater, and I think this is where the issue primarily extends from. Though I suppose another option would have been beneficial as well. I haven't completed Merrill's romance yet (only Isabela's so far), and while in the end, Isabela's romance turned out interesting, I feel like there could have been much more interaction/dialogue to build up and express the romance throughout the game. I can only imagine the same is true for the other romances as well.

In any case, I don't feel that this is necessarily a problem of disparities between homosexual and heterosexual content; rather, I think it's just a lack of attention to romantic companionship overall.

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Cloaking_Thane

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I think they handled it really really well, but at points it could be a little up in your face.Pretty much I'm indifferent.

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sympathy4saren

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You just passed political correctness and stated something factual, OP.

Duck for cover, though. I'm sure someone is gonna call you a homophobe.

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Bastal wrote...

 "We have straight males, straight females, gays and liberal lesbians.


Hahhahahahahhah. They can't just be lesbians...they gotta be liberal lesbians.
Hahhahahahahahha.......
I'm sorry, you had some good points but you lost me there.

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Fenrirulfr

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romance interactions in this game, actually ALL NPC interactions. are very lackluster to say the least, I remember in baldurs gate having to actually read and understand the character and select the right option to advance in a romance, not click the heart button when ever it appeared. This game isn't about what you say, its just the way you say it, But thats a complaint for another thread.

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Fenrirulfr wrote...

5%? you greatly underestimate how many female and homosexual players play these games. This wall of text just came off as ignorance on your part. out of all the problems this game has, homosexual relations are not one of them. In fact add more, some of the best moments I had with this game was tricking my homophobic friends to have sex with male characters due to the crappy dialog wheel.

You have homophobic friends, or are you talking about NPCs?

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Bastal, I'd like to congratulate you on your simultaneous mastery of misogyny and homophobia.

I'm a straight male gamer, and Dragon Age II's openness on the topic is one of the things I love about it.

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They had the resources to add another romance option, but instead chose to implement a gay romance with Anders.

I'm certain that those gay activists and feminist will declare "That's only fair!" but lets be honest. I'll be generous and assume that 5% of all Dragon Age 2 players are actually homosexuals. I'll be even more generous and assume that the Anders romance was liked by every homosexual. Are you really telling me that you could not have written another straight romance that would have pleased more than 5% of your fans?


It doesn't cost much to make Anders bi. It's just a few extra lines recorded. It's not like if they took those out there would be resources to develop a female character.

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Again? I don't believe this. BTW, I'm a hardcore female gamer, and I do NOT play The Sims. I've been a cRPG gamer for a long, long time. I even play shooters, but I don't run off to the CoD forums asking to be catered to with an exclusive pink SMG and matching pumps. Keep your ridiculous gender assumptions to yourself. Even though I personally favor a realistic split in the LI department, I'm glad that people had the chance to romance the character of their choice. In addition, after reading this again, I almost hope they make the LIs in their next game bisexual just because it would displease you.

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I have trouble considering anyone who plays video games for "romances" to be a gamer in the first place, and I don't really see how getting off on a pixelated "woman" qualifies as being straight... but even forgetting those two things I disagree with the OP. A tiny. barely relevant portion of the games resources are devoted to such things, it's more a case of a sprinkling of aside content, with a flavor for every taste.

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Fenrirulfr wrote...

5%? you greatly underestimate how many female and homosexual players play these games. This wall of text just came off as ignorance on your part. out of all the problems this game has, homosexual relations are not one of them. In fact add more, some of the best moments I had with this game was tricking my homophobic friends to have sex with male characters due to the crappy dialog wheel.


That 5% was a generous estimate for homosexual players. I said that most female gamers play game The Sims, what I was referring to is the statistic that 40% of gamers are female. The percentage of Dragon Age 2 fans that are women.... I would guess around 15-20%.

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Wait. So straight guys can't romance Isabella or Merrill? They can only romance Fenris or Anders?

Oh - that's right - they CAN romance Isabella or Merrill. Oh. Can you can turn down Fenris and Anders if they do hit on you. So, where's the problem again?

C,

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I'm sorry, I got distracted oogling Isabela's ****** and ass whilst caught daydreaming during one of her interactions with Varric and Carver. They did it for the gays man, the gays.

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I'm gruesomely fascinated. However, while straight male gamers may be a majority, I think there are more of the other demographics than there are of excessively whiny entitled sexist homophobic straight male gamers.

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John Epler

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When a thread of yours gets locked, particularly for the reasons it was locked, do not reopen it.

Locking.

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YohkoOhno

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You should not re-open closed threads. I don't think this will end well...