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[Blacklash93]

... have any legends about the old gods?

As someone who really enjoyed reading the myths about the elven gods, I'd like to hear more from this set of deities.

[MJF JD]

the magisters are their own gods

[abusing]

MJF JD wrote...

the magisters are their own gods

The magisters are their rulers. From what I've gathered from the series, the Tevinters used to worship the Old Gods but they now have their own version of the Chantry.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

All we know as of now is the Magister's believe that the Old Gods are the ones that taught Humanity and the Elves how to use magic. Apart from that we don't know much else, I'm hoping the next game takes place in the Tevinter so we can learn more about them.

Though if I were to guess the Imperium probably has a far less antagonist relationship with Dragons. If they see the Old Gods as their Gods than they'd probably treat normal dragons with respect. Maybe they're the reason the Dragons didn't go extict centuries ago when ever other nation was killing them off the Tevinter was helping to nurture and raise the dragons?

[Pileyourbodies]

That is a wonderful explanation but since you went with religion i'd put as Tevinter = Eastern orthodox.

[Statulos]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yes. Orlesian Chantry = Roman Catholic. Tevinter Chantry = Eastern Orthodox.

White Divine = Pope. Black Divine = Archbishop of Constantinople.

Val Royeaux = Rome (+ Paris). Minrathous = Constantinople.

Patriarch would be the appropriate title. And the Patriarch is not comparable in power to the Pope since the Eastern Church recognizes 9 patriarchs.

Modifié par Statulos, 18 mars 2011 - 04:39 .

[Taleroth]

Legend has it that Dumat, first of the old gods, contacted the Tevinter Magisters and taught them blood magic. In exchange for this, they set up shrines to worship the Old Gods.

That's about all I know.

[Corwyn]

Statulos wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yes. Orlesian Chantry = Roman Catholic. Tevinter Chantry = Eastern Orthodox.

White Divine = Pope. Black Divine = Archbishop of Constantinople.

Val Royeaux = Rome (+ Paris). Minrathous = Constantinople.

Patriarch would be the appropriate title. And the Patriarch is not comparable in power to the Pope since the Eastern Church recognizes 9 patriarchs.

Yeah but at the height of the Eastern Roman Empire the Patriarch of Constantinople was considered the leader of the Orthodox church despite the equality of titles.

On another note I don't really think Islam is a good comparison to the Qun.  From what we know of the Qun it doesn't really emphasize religion or a diety it's more of a philosophy like a more aggresive Confucianism although that's not really exact either.

[Pileyourbodies]

The Qun have priests.

They've been described by the writers as "Militant Islamic borg"

[darkmage84]

Islam was the first thing I thought of for the Qunari, but they are probably closer to Russian Communist. Or atleast the Qun is the communist manifesto

[Randy1012]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yes. Orlesian Chantry = Roman Catholic. Tevinter Chantry = Eastern Orthodox.

White Divine = Pope. Black Divine = Archbishop of Constantinople.

Val Royeaux = Rome (+ Paris). Minrathous = Constantinople.

I still think this whole conflict between the mages and the Andrastian Chantry is going to create a religious split akin to the Protestant Reformation. So at the end we'd have the Imperial Chantry led by the Black Divine, the Andrastian Chantry led by the White Divine, and then (for lack of a better name) an Objectionist Chantry which has no central leadership and is based on the idea that the Divine has either misinterpreted the Maker's will, or has deliberately ignored it, in order to subjugate mages and put the Chantry in a position of power over the people of Thedas.

I'm probably wrong, though.

[Statulos]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

The Qun have priests.

They've been described by the writers as "Militant Islamic borg"

So what? Qunari are basicaly atheists. Sten is quite clear about that in Origins.

[Statulos]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Pileyourbodies wrote...

The Qun have priests.

They've been described by the writers as "Militant Islamic borg"

So what? Qunari are basicaly atheists. Sten is quite clear about that in Origins.

Like Muslims, they don't worship any anthropomorphic God (like Christians or Andrastians), but they are not atheist. The Qun is similar to the Qur'an, not just in name, but in that it is mostly a set of principles to be followed from day to day, instead of a set of creation myths and other deeds of God and a Messiah figure designed to intimidate and impress.

To begin with, the Qun is similar to Dharma in the Budhist sense, not to Koran. The Koran is a book, Islamic law is called Sharia and it´s a different thing because it does not only come from Koran, but from other sources too.
The Koran is a work of poetry in purely human-literary terms, its first part in fact is highly poetic and it´s hard to extract clear-cut ethical prescriptions; in fact and because of that, there are several schools of interpretation.
The Qun, on the other hand is very clear, evident and easy to understand. There is no interpretation, no obscure meaning, even no "batin" as there is in Koran.

Factually, Qunari are atheist simply because they do not give a crap about divinity. If divine beings exist, they are irrelevant. Wisedom is found in the world by anyone willing to do it, not by means of a clerical caste or divine intervention.

[PantheraOnca]

darkmage84 wrote...

Islam was the first thing I thought of for the Qunari, but they are probably closer to Russian Communist. Or atleast the Qun is the communist manifesto

http://classics.mit....o/republic.html

[Statulos]

Indeed. Communism advocates for a classless society and Qun is quite strict about classes, duties and expectations.

[Augustei]

darkmage84 wrote...

Islam was the first thing I thought of for the Qunari, but they are probably closer to Russian Communist. Or atleast the Qun is the communist manifesto

Well since Russia were a Monarchy until the 20th century I think the Islam catagorization is far more accurate.

[Augustei]

Randy1083 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yes. Orlesian Chantry = Roman Catholic. Tevinter Chantry = Eastern Orthodox.

White Divine = Pope. Black Divine = Archbishop of Constantinople.

Val Royeaux = Rome (+ Paris). Minrathous = Constantinople.

I still think this whole conflict between the mages and the Andrastian Chantry is going to create a religious split akin to the Protestant Reformation. So at the end we'd have the Imperial Chantry led by the Black Divine, the Andrastian Chantry led by the White Divine, and then (for lack of a better name) an Objectionist Chantry which has no central leadership and is based on the idea that the Divine has either misinterpreted the Maker's will, or has deliberately ignored it, in order to subjugate mages and put the Chantry in a position of power over the people of Thedas.

I'm probably wrong, though.

Correct me if im wrong because im not 100% sure, but isn't the Protestant equivilant of the pope someone within the british monarchy. Price Charles if I recall?

[Augustei]

Statulos wrote...

Pileyourbodies wrote...

The Qun have priests.

They've been described by the writers as "Militant Islamic borg"

So what? Qunari are basicaly atheists. Sten is quite clear about that in Origins.

Except Unified and following a philosophy.. Hmm, now that I think about it. The Qun if generalised is similar to buddism

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 18 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[Statulos]

Not really. Depends on particular church. The Lutheran church of Norway (to give you an easy example) is led by the king of said country.

On the other hand, protestant (and basicaly any non-catholic, non-orthodox denomination of christianism) refuse to have a final and central authority. The role of the Pope in faith terms is basicaly the approval of particular interpretations of the Bible and that conflicts directly with the notion of free interpretation of the protestan-based (and calvinist/reformed) churches.

[Zenstrive]

I am a muslim, and Qunari is so far off Islam, unlike Chantry and the Christianity Catholics/Orthodox. Qunari is more like the blending of Hindi Caste System and Triumvirate Worship laced with Japanese Bushido.

If Qunari is analogue to Islam and Arishok is the Khalifah, he would not hesitate to call all of his armies and conquer Kirkwall, artefact or no artefact, after seeing the malices that lace Kirkwall. Hell, Arishok would not be there himself. Probably a Sten will lead the dreadnoughts.

[Randy1012]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Correct me if im wrong because im not 100% sure, but isn't the Protestant equivilant of the pope someone within the british monarchy. Price Charles if I recall?

There is no Protestant equivalent of the Pope, as Protestantism isn't a single denomination like Roman Catholicism. "Protestant" is a catch-all term referring to all the various denominations that came out of the Reformation (Lutheran, Calvinist, Anglican, etc.). The British monarch is considered the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, though nowadays it's mostly a symbolic role.