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[Arl Raylen]

My top 5 RPGs

1. Kotor
2. Mass Effect 2
3. Mass Effect
4. Jade Empire
5. Kotor 2

If I didn't like Star Wars that much, Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2 could fit in the number 5 spot. I liked Jade Empire too much to take it off my list. My 6 to 10 would look like this if I had to make a choice:

6. Dragon Age 2
7. Dragon Age Origins
8. Morrowind
9. Fallout 3
10. New Vegas

Modifié par Arl Raylen, 20 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

[Persephone]

My top five:

1) Tie Complete Morrowind package (Fully modded) and the DA series (Both games)
2) The Witcher
3) Baldur's Gate series
4) Jade Empire
5) Might & Magic VI+VII

[Konane117]

1. Fallout New Vegas
2. Dragon Age Origins
3. Mass Effect 2
4. Mass Effect
5. Fallout 3

DA2 is somewhere in the top 10

[Cobrawar]

1bg
2 Bg2
3 icewind dale / the heart of winter
4 icewind dale 2
5 neverwinter nights

[Savior Indra]

To Karazax:

I would agree with you IF DA2 wasn't a framed narrative. Technically the game already happened (from the DA universe's pov) Varric's retelling it. So of course the big events won't change too much. The game was made to focus less on the endings of the acts and on how your choices lead up to that end.

I enjoyed the combat b/c it felt much more immediate. When I told my mage to cast fireball or my rogue to use backstab they did it immediately. In DAO i had to wait a good 5 seconds before my rogue would use dual wep sweep. I haven't played on DA2 Nightmare yet (i'm scared lol) but i found the fights to be mentally stimulating on Hard and i love what they did with the enemy rogues, it actually keeps me attentive in the fight so my healer doesn't get owned at the most inopportune time.

Karazax:
Perhaps, but you still tell them what rings, belts and amulets, along with some of their weapons... The realism is further broken when I keep finding gear that says useable by Hawke only... Part of the typical RPG experience is leveling up and developing your character, but also the loot upgrades. I personally preferred having all the gear useable by all the characters. Sure it may be "unrealistic" to dress them, but I always considered it to be me giving them a gift, or their split of the spoils of war.

I feel that this is actually just personal preference for the gamer. Some (like me) enjoy not telling companions what to wear etc and feel that, that is more realistic. Others (like you) feel that its more realistic to give them 'their split of the spoils of war'. In the end i feel that this just comes down to personal choice.

Same as 1st response. And #2 was the reason why i liked KoTOR, but it kinda fits with DA2 as well b/c the game amplifies the small things. B/c DA2 is a framed narrative about events that already occurred, the game is allowed to focus on *how* Hawke reached those endings in Acts 1,2, and 3. And it allowed for more duality, imo.

I guess what I'm trying to say about railroading in DAO is that DAO takes place in 'real-time' in the DA universe. What your doing is what is actually going on at the present. Which makes the game feel a lot more constricted. If the actions I [The Warden] is taking place as i make them, why can't i choose not to save the day? While in DA2 its a story of what *HAS* happened. So again the game feels less constricted b/c the actions I [Hawke] takes already happened. Why can't i not do X [for good]? Oh, this already happened and i didn't do X [in reality] so i shouldn't be able to do X when Varric is retelling the events. The way the game was presented made the difference for me. I would say that DA2 was very linear if the events were supposedly unfolding as you made the choices, but b/c everything technically already happened the game is less linear. [I hope i'm making sense]

P.S. on my previous post #1-5 are the reasons why i listed that games 1-5.

[BiowarEA]

1) Baldur's Gate 2
2) VTM: Bloodlines
3) Dragon Age: Origins
4) Mass Effect 1
5) Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer

[Cohesion]

1. Mass Effect / Mass Effect 2
2. Dragon Age: Origins / Dragon Age II
3. Final Fantasy VIII
4. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
5. Jade Empire

[Lukertin]

1. KoTOR
2. Chrono Trigger
3. ME
4. DA
5. the witcher

[randName]

FO1
PST
FO2
Arcanum
Vampire Bloodlines

& the list is too short and doesn't do justice to companies like BW (BG1,2 and TB is just missing it) and so is Obsidians KOTOR2.

Note that I love ME1&2 and many games as of late from BW, but for me they might be better games than these, but not better RPGs.

Modifié par randName, 20 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[TwistedComplex]

-Mass Effect
-Knights of the Old Republic

...And those are really the only RPGs i consider my favorite. Everything else is kind of meh

And don't even mention The Witcher. I got to the end of the beginning level and uninstalled

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 20 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[randName]

TwistedComplex wrote...
And don't even mention The Witcher. I got to the end of the beginning level and uninstalled

Then your opinion is really void on this game.

Or you only played the tutorial and now claim to have an opinion on the game as a whole? 

Modifié par randName, 20 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[TwistedComplex]

randName wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...
And don't even mention The Witcher. I got to the end of the beginning level and uninstalled

Then your opinion is really void on this game.

Or you only played the tutorial and now claim to have an opinion on the game as a whole? 

I was a bit distraced by the aweful combat and terrible dialog to even think about finishing the game

[randName]

TwistedComplex wrote...


I was a bit distraced by the aweful combat and terrible dialog to even think about finishing the game

past the tutorial ~ even talking about finishing the game is a bit too comical.

[Ostagar2011]

1. Morrowind
2. Dragon Age Origins & Awakening
3. NWN 2
4. Divinity 2 DKS
5. Mass Effect 1

...


161. Dragon Age 2
162. Sacred 2

[Count Viceroy]

Unfortunatly, not.

1. Morrowind.
2. KOTOR
3. BG2
4. Mass effect 2
5. DAO.

I'd rate DA2 just above Oblivion. Which you should count as an insult coming from me.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 mars 2011 - 07:32 .

[hark659]

1) FFVI
2) Planscape Torment
3) Dragon Age : Orgina
4) Diablo (1+2 should be the same hehe)
5) Baldur's Date
6) Chrono Trigger

[Sinvx]

1. KOTOR
2. KOTOR 2
3. DA:O
4. ME2
5. DA2

[Kajan451]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Is DA2 in your top 5 favorit rpgs?

Also, if it is or isn't, why not? What is your top 5 favorite RPG's?

My Top 5 at the moment

1) Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday and its Sequel Matrix Cubed
(Old School and sure, it doesn't measure up to the freedom for todays games, but unlike any other game, i still believe in that SSI Title... all my characters mattered.. every skill i skilled seemed to have some sort of purpose and if not, it was penned down in the manual to the game). Creating a whole party of (Space)Adventurers and then really having have everyone of them have a purpose.. was just great, especially when you consider when it came out. This game, believe it or not, is still replayed by me nowdays. Thanks for Programms like DosBox, which allow me to play this old games from my teens.

2) Baldurs Gate 1+2 & Icewind Dale 1+2
What can i say.. i really love those titles. D&D Ruleset, good story and most important of all... it never seemed to end. A single different answer you gave seemed to turn your playthrough around almost 180. Not so much with Icewind Dale, mind you, but i love that game because my best friend, before we got a family and all that, used to play that game in a LAN party. So i am not sure if its really the game or just the fond memories of having a good time with a really close and good friend is what made me put Icewind Dale up there.

3) Albion & Bards Tale 3
Oldschool... they just don't make them like that anymore. I won't decide if they should be sepperated or if i like one more than the other. But definately i like them both alot, even thought they have nothing in common. Albion had a great story and Bards Tale 3 (1+2 aren't as bad, but even older and thus much less developed - like for example no female gender) has this Buck Rogers thing going. Creating your own party and... while not the same depth as Buck Rogers, i loved the RPG aspect of that game.

4) The Witcher
Only because it has this lighthearted Adult theme. No "Childfriendly" Game - i love that - without being silly, smutty or "censored". You don't have to play Barbies Ken until you get all lovey dovey for some flowery Sex Scene in a Mature Rated game. (And that said: I love the Witcher where there is no real sex scene but only some sort of vanity card to mark your conquest. I am usually not interrested in the standard: Last night for the battle type of deal)

5) I can't really make my mind up, but i think i go with Alpha Protocol. Its one of the new generation, mixing shooter with RPG, but i really, really love how decisions does change the story progression. Like saying something and doing something, can lead to not even meeting a NPC which had been a major NPC for the last playthrough. Thats really what i expected when i bad then had followed the Dev "Visions" for Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origin. (Well, we know how that turned out). Or i could pick Final Fantasy 7. Crappy Graphic, annoying Leadchar, but i really loved that game.


Why isn't Dragon Age 2 in my Top 5? I think it would even be hard to fit it into a Top 20, if i really had to sit down and think about it. Because... its just not good enough.

In this day and time, i have certain expectations for a new video game. As you can see at my list above, i do still like Games from the last century... created around 92 and such. There is no graphic to speak of to this games and still i would even put SSIs Krynn Series ahead of Dragon Age 2.

Graphics are a double edges sword. If i have them, i want them. With that i want to say... i really like that localized theme. But if its localized i do not want to enter the same dungeon in different levels. Blocking a certain way or letting me enter from another direction doesn't change its the same dungeon.

The redesigns they made on the Elven, okay the quinary at least do no longer remind me of Klingons at least and seem unique, really is bad. This whole missing noseridge... horrible.

Then there are problems with the gameplay. I love the way Magic Plays now. At first i liked how Rogues play, but by now i am no longer sure if i like that. But wading through armies of enemies... thats a no go. Seriously, in 2 hours of gameplay my band of four killed over a hundred enemies. Those Qunari, unless they somehow are related to rabbits, can't have landed with as many people as i have killed. They need to sneak them somehow to supply just one run through the Wounded Coast.  --- I hate how i walk through the nighttime city and am attacked by almost 100 Bandits in each single zone. Its usually between 10 and 15 enemies, sometimes as much as 25 (considering the reinforcements they get)... i can't tell how much i hate that. I just can't take them serious anymore.

Dragon Age Origins at least made gave it an explaining... there were either undead, to be summoned, Demons to be summoned.. or a whole Army of Darkspawn. And even THEY haven't been as numberous as the enemies i faced at a single night in High Town. Its just silly. I get the whole Champion thing, but this gets a bit to far.

I hate the general redesign which kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as if the design team decided the changes after some Manga or Anime Marathon on LSD.


But my main Gripes at the moment... is: They ruin the story. If they offer an Import Savegame feature, then i expect it to work and to work with the savegame and not just decide people who are supposed to be dead to show up again. Anders died at the keep in my Awakening Playthrough and Justice went with me to fight the broodmother. There is no way he could have bonded with anders, unless Justice suddenly felt the unexplainable urge to switch dead bodies.

Having Games imported with improper importflags and the game ignoring decisions. In that case they shouldn't have bothered with us importing the savegame at all.

Storywise it at least appears better, writing wise, than Awakenings, which was just bad. For the moment that likable knightgirl died in the joining. Honestly.. she was about the only likable companion in the whole addon to me, even Ogren started to annoy me, despite me liking him in Origins (alot).

Getting to see Sandal again, also annoyed me. That whole retarted thing, and jokes on his behalf just is wrong to me. But at least i don't seem to need to suffer through hren and his lover anymore.

Though maybe i will rise DA2 into my Top20 once i have finished it, but unless they finally release a patch fixing the bugs about importing and quests.. there is no point for me to continue playing. I don't play these games for combat. If i want combat i load up Assassins Creed or any other singleplayer game whichs purpose it is to have me "smashing" and kicking through hordes of monsters. Because no matter how good Dragon Age 2 it does perform on that... it still sucks. And for beating up hordes of monsters i rather load up Web of Shadows and swing through manhatten beating symbiont booty or load Assassins Creed and play an assassin dedicated game.

Cobbler, stick to thy last. Thats the best advice i can give Bioware in general. I for one play their games for the story. This means i want to see unique areas and story dedication. And if they keep up with the importing feature, they should start to really pay heed to what we decided.

[Shaewaros]

I really pity those who rank DA2 even to their top 20 rpgs.

Ostagar2011 wrote...

1. Morrowind
2. Dragon Age Origins & Awakening
3. NWN 2
4. Divinity 2 DKS
5. Mass Effect 1

...


161. Dragon Age 2
162. Sacred 2

LOL

Modifié par Shaewaros, 20 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[Kajan451]

relhart wrote...

Oddly enough, I agree.  I have no idea about "NHL11" or whatever it was that started this vein, but I've played some sports games that arguably had more role playing  elements than DA2.  

Naahhh... back in the 90ths we had already Sport Games usually with Manager as title. In which you'd play the manager of a given Soccer Team, caring for buisness deals, recruiting and training players, building and extending the stadion and all that. It took a while, but sooner or later all Sportsgames started to united the Sportmanager and the real sport games, making you not only manager, and having to watch your team, but allowing you to take active controls.

Modifié par Kajan451, 20 mars 2011 - 08:37 .

[arathor_87]

1. DA:O (Ultimate Edition)
2. Fallout 3
3. Fallout: New vegas
4. Mass Effect
5. Mass Effect 2

DA2 is not even close. Yes I have many new games on my list, but I'm a pretty new hardcore gamer. After finished DA2 I've started to play a new game in DA:O just to remember how good it is.

And after replaying DA:O I will start to play BG and BG2. Haven't played them before but I'll give it a shot! : )

Modifié par arathor_87, 20 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[Dr. wonderful]

Top 12, really.

It's actually Number seven.

Number 1 will ALWAYS be Dragon Quest 8.

[TwistedComplex]

randName wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...


I was a bit distraced by the aweful combat and terrible dialog to even think about finishing the game

past the tutorial ~ even talking about finishing the game is a bit too comical.

Geralt: "Triss, you've been unconsious for hours, i had to make a potion to bring you back.. And your friend is... Dead... I'm sorry"

Triss: "Oh ok. Hey wanna f***?"

Geralt: "Derp, sure!!"

*receive nude photo*

*uninstall.exe*

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 20 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[cast_]

Persona 3 Portable
Vampire the Masquerade
Knights of the Old Republic
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 7

DA 2 not even close to any of those games, it's not even in the top 5 games from Bioware let alone top 5 rpgs :X

[Myounage]

1. Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of The Betrayer
2. Fallout
3. VTM: Bloodlines
4. EVE Online (That counts, right?)
5. DA:O ... or maybe KOTOR.

DA 2 doesn't come anywhere approaching close to any of these. Honestly, I'd put DA 2 among the least enjoyable games I've ever played.

Modifié par Myounage, 20 mars 2011 - 10:34 .