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[MKDAWUSS]

This is something that's unmentioned and possibly unexplained. I mean, the Hero of Ferelden eventually steps down/vanishes after the Darkspawn Civil War. The Fereldan Grey Wardens rebuild, sure, but there's no mention of who ends up taking the mantle, and it's highly unlikely to be any of the Hero of Ferelden's initial recruits (or am I wrong?).

[errant_knight]

I don't think you're wrong, myself. There would be issues with all of them. I think it will be someone else.

[TheBlackBaron]

I thought Nate would be a candidate, but he's evidently off running missions and such.

It seems that normally the Wardens prefer to appoint somebody that's actually from the nation in question to lead the Grey Wardens there, but what options do they have there? Seems like somebody from the outside would have to come in.

Literally the only other person I can think of that fits that criteria is Bethany...and that's just not going to happen. You've gotta have years of experience or be a PC to advance to Warden-Commander.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 18 mars 2011 - 04:35 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Some cat-hating ****** from Weisshaupt, from the sounds of it. <_<

[MKDAWUSS]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I thought Nate would be a candidate, but he's evidently off running missions and such. 

Yep. He sounded like an ideal candidate - native Fereldan, has some connections to nobility (albeit from a disgraced family), and would probably be the easiest political fit as Arl of Amaranthine, the dual title held by the Warden-Commander. Anders is obviously accounted for, but none of the rest seem to have managerial leadership written on them.

It
seems that normally the Wardens prefer to appoint somebody that's
actually from the nation in question to lead the Grey Warden's there,
but what options to they have there? Seems like somebody from the
outside would have to come in.

Literally the only other person I
can think of that fits that criteria is Bethany...and that's just not
going to happen. You've gotta have years of experience or be a PC to
advance to Warden-Commander.

Yep, I think after the Hero of Ferelden, a relative newbie isn't taking any high ranking post within the Wardens. She would have her heritage going for her, though. But that would really be about it.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Some cat-hating ****** from Weisshaupt, from the sounds of it. <_<

That individual probably disapproved of the predecessor traveling with a dog as well

[TheBlackBaron]

MKDAWUSS wrote...


That individual probably disapproved of the predecessor traveling with a dog as well

Which is a shame, I think an army of Gray Warden mabari would be pretty damned terrifying.

[errant_knight]

I don't see Nate as a good candidate, myself. I mean, yeah, he'd do a great job, and if the wardens were based anywhere but Amaranthine, sure. But the politics of making him the arl basically right after the tiltle was stripped from the family is less than ideal, and I'm pretty sure would have all kinds of fallout with the local nobility. I don't actually think Nate would want the job much, either.

[NinjaRogue]

Sandal

[BigBad]

Given the rather slim pickings when it comes to native Ferelden Wardens, I fully expect that after the Hero of Ferelden steps down, the order brings in the Orlesian Warden, who is a possible PC option in Awakening and thus sufficiently awesome to take up a post once held by the Hero of Ferelden.

Oghren wouldn't even be a candidate, because alcoholics don't make good commanders. Anders winds up in Kirkwall, after being beaten about the face with an ugly stick (probably by a laughing Templar) and injected with anti-awesome serum taken from the chip on Velanna's shoulder. Justice is never actually a member of the order, and is an inflexible spirit. Sigrun is kinda suicidal, and far more committed to the ideals of the Legion than the Wardens. Velanna is a racist **** with issues, so not a good choice. Nathaniel would be the only real option, except that the rather intricate political situation of the arling and its contributions to recent events render him an unsuitably choice due to his father's identity.

[Mariefoxprice83]

What about Varel, the Seneschal of Vigil's Keep? He seems like he would make a good leader.

On a side note, I finished my 2nd playthrough of Awakening and I noticed that it says Anders always thought of Vigil's Keep as his home, which contradicts DAII very strongly. I'm using that import for my 2nd Hawke.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...


That individual probably disapproved of the predecessor traveling with a dog as well

Which is a shame, I think an army of Gray Warden mabari would be pretty damned terrifying.

No.

A Kitteh Army of Doom, as we saw in Denerim, is far more terrifying and awesome:



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Ser Pounce-a-Lot will show us the way.

[Funkjoker]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

This is something that's unmentioned and possibly unexplained. I mean, the Hero of Ferelden eventually steps down/vanishes after the Darkspawn Civil War. The Fereldan Grey Wardens rebuild, sure, but there's no mention of who ends up taking the mantle, and it's highly unlikely to be any of the Hero of Ferelden's initial recruits (or am I wrong?).

As long as The Warden doesn't step down by saying it himself or the First Warden appoints someone else to be the Warden Commander of Ferelden, The Warden isn't succeeded.

As a matter of fact, Nathaniel [in his cameo] calls The Warden "Warden Commander" instead of "Hero of Ferelden", which also implies that he's still the Warden Commander. www.youtube.com/watch <- 0:55.
Furthermore, Avernus addresses the Hero of Ferelden as "Warden Commander of Ferelden" in his letter. Unfortunately, the wiki doesn't have all the codex entries from DA2 atm. The codex also says that The Warden is the Warden Commander after dealing with the blight without hinting anything which could make us think otherwise.

Unless otherwise proven the Hero of Ferelden is the Warden Commander of Ferelden. My Warden went with Morrigan, however that does only mean that his powers are required elsewhere, as Ferelden is secure atm.

Varel is not a warden and he dies at the end of Awakening no matter what path you choose; he's succeeded by Garevel. He'll lead in your stead while you're doing awesomeness.

As a sidenote: An interesing possiblity for the future is that our Grey Warden becomes the successor of the First Warden. DA3 ftw! However, only if it's in DAO style and not in DA2 style ^^

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 18 mars 2011 - 02:57 .

[errant_knight]

I choose to consider Varel dying a bug. The guy who took an arrow for me shouldn't die no matter what.

[Mariefoxprice83]

That's weird. I don't remember Varel dying in my game at all and I played Awakening twice. When does that happen? I must have missed it! Also, I thought he was a Warden because he's the one who does the Joining Ritual. I thought only genuine Wardens could perform it?

errant_knight he took an arrow for me the 2nd time too (as if he knew I had got attached to him then!)

[Funkjoker]

errant_knight wrote...

I choose to consider Varel dying a bug. The guy who took an arrow for me shouldn't die no matter what.

Yeah, the battles are done without any love and the scene with Varrel dying is one of the worst scenes in the entire gaming history of BioWare. This too shows how rushed Awakening was.

Mariefoxprice83 wrote...

That's weird. I don't remember Varel dying in my game at all and I played Awakening twice. When does that happen? I must have missed it! Also, I thought he was a Warden because he's the one who does the Joining Ritual. I thought only genuine Wardens could perform it?

The Darkspawn attack both Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep. You can choose to defend Vigil's Keep and see the scene in which Varel dies. However, the commonly "good" path is obviously choosing to defend Amaranthine. Varel dies offscreen in this scenario.

Wrong, he's only one of the very few people in Ferelden who knows about the Joining. All he does is saying the oath and giving the chalice to the new recruits, which doesn't need anyone with the status of a Grey Warden.

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 18 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[Mariefoxprice83]

Ah, I see. It was Duncan who performs the Ritual in Origins so I thought Varel had to be a Warden too though I wasn't initially sure if he was a Warden or not. I've never witnessed his death scene because I've gone to defend Amaranthine both times. Next time I shall play as an evil character and defend the Vigil. I've got some characters still in their Origins who would be ideal for that.

[errant_knight]

Mariefoxprice83 wrote...

That's weird. I don't remember Varel dying in my game at all and I played Awakening twice. When does that happen? I must have missed it! Also, I thought he was a Warden because he's the one who does the Joining Ritual. I thought only genuine Wardens could perform it?

errant_knight he took an arrow for me the 2nd time too (as if he knew I had got attached to him then!)

It's a codex entry that mentions him dying in the battle. I choose to ignore it. I don't know if it's actually a bug or if upgrading the keep, etc, was supposed to save him, but it wouldn't be the only bug in the game.

[Funkjoker]

It's not a bug, it's fully intentional by the devs.

In GoA you receive a letter from _Seneschal_ Garevel making Varel's death to be 100% canon.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Seneschal_Garevel%27s_Missive

[errant_knight]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

It's not a bug, it's fully intentional by the devs.

In GoA you receive a letter from _Seneschal_ Garevel making Varel's death to be 100% canon.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Seneschal_Garevel%27s_Missive

Well, that's a shame. I wonder why they had a hate on for poor Varel? He was such a nice guy, and leaving him alive wouldn't have made a whit of difference. On the other hand, it fits with the 'can't win for losing' tone of Awakening. Still, he's alive in my story, and I don't mind being AU in that respect one bit.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I don't always bother with the codex entries so that's perhaps why I missed it. I gave up on GoA with my first character and didn't bother with the recent one so if I pretend it doesn't exist can I say Varel is still alive? :-) My Keep was fully upgraded becaise I got the achievement for it yesterday.