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[Cloaking_Thane]

Ashr4m wrote...

Well just because the tone especially between gamers has gotten worse over time doesnt mean other insults get more tolerable. And as i tried to explain is not as much about me feeling insultet but about myself trying to actually have normal discussions here and i simply think in a real discussion personal insults are inapropriate and counterproductive.

I mean im pretty shure in real life when you talk with somebody about something you wont start with insults? There may be insults hopefully not a personal level, still it doesnt change the fact that they are inapropriate and childish.

Of course because most people can differentiate between personal and professional life. again this isnt some little bubble of professionalism, all the common courtesies were extended ......you proffer (poor at times) opinion then become rifled when its shot down in a manner not to your liking....just amusing and ironic to me is all

[Xena_Shepard]

I never thought about it before, but the logic is totally there.

On a scale of 1 - 100, aka the school grade scale, a 50/100 would be absolute failure. So an 83/100, being a B, is a failure from a straight A student. Not to mention that, carrying on the school metaphor, this straight A student got the B whilst cheating at that.

As I once saw someone logically post, if a straight A student came home with a B or worse, they'd really get it from their parents.

I'm not even a straight A student and I get crap whenever I get anything less than an A. People want to cry and act like "Oh, it's still a good game! Stop being so mean to BioWare!" we have come to expect a certain level of excellence from BioWare, that's why we buy their games. This is their first (to my knowledge) major failure, it's their first B, when we except As. It's completely our right to be upset, and anybody who says otherwise is ignorant to human behavior and the nature of expectations. They probably get straight Cs and thus are never expected to perform well themselves, and so they accept a fall in quality.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 18 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[BeardedNinja]

oh c'mon people a B is in no way a failing grade, and I feel sorry for anybody whose parents punish them or give them crap for a B in anything.

[Il Divo]

BeardedNinja wrote...

oh c'mon people a B is in no way a failing grade, and I feel sorry for anybody whose parents punish them or give them crap for a B in anything.

It's a fair point though, due to created expectations. If I produce A Grade work all throughout my career and suddenly receive a B, comparatively speaking the B seems much worse than if I had been a constant B student all my life.

I personally disagree with Metacritic on this one (that DA2 is of lesser quality) but I can see the mentality behind the complaints.

[vigna]

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

[BeardedNinja]

vigna wrote...

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

hmm thats funny, I agree w/ those scores and enjoyed the hell out of Fable 3, but I digress, not very DA2 related lol

[bluecapsule6]

vigna wrote...

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

You're absolutely right. The games you hate are terrible. Everyone who hates the games you like are wrong. 

[Xena_Shepard]

vigna wrote...

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

I too heard many good things about Fable 3 from people. But I haven't played it myself yet so I don't know.

[vigna]

bluecapsule6 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

You're absolutely right. The games you hate are terrible. Everyone who hates the games you like are wrong. 

And that is why reviewers are useless.

I get that you are calling me out, but my opinion is mine..why else have one? what is the point of a message board.

I was using Fable III as an example of game scoring by reviewers.....8'/10 is middle of the road. 8.3 out of 10 isn't much better.

[bluecapsule6]

vigna wrote...

bluecapsule6 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Fable 3 consistently got 4/5, 8/10 reviews. only a few brave souls gave it 7.5/10.
Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise.....DAII isn't a dog like that, but reviewers are basically useless.

You're absolutely right. The games you hate are terrible. Everyone who hates the games you like are wrong. 

And that is why reviewers are useless.

I get that you are calling me out, but my opinion is mine..why else have one? what is the point of a message board.

I was using Fable III as an example of game scoring by reviewers.....8'/10 is middle of the road. 8.3 out of 10 isn't much better.

I don't mean to call you out personally, but you have to see the irony when you say "Fable 3 was horrible and ruined the franchise", and yet imply that people who say the same thing about DA2 are wrong. 

I think DA2 is a good game, but it's an ugly trend that people on these forums choose to defend DA2 by crapping on other popular RPGs (trendy targets: Fable 3, Final Fantasy XIII, NWN, WoW, The Witcher).

[vigna]

DA2 is good....absolutely, but it isn't up to BW standards IMO.

The FableIII example may be unfair......I agree again.

[Essian]

Errr... not to be a killjoy, but you DO understand that reviews are not FACTS correct? I mean, a reviewer is just a person, like you or me, who plays a game and then gets paid to give his opinion. But there is no way to be a video game connoisseur. It's not like being an architect and looking at a building, and then saying "this building is not structurally sound, because the physics employed in building it were flawed."

The fact of the matter is that Metacritic is a combination of REVIEWS, and review is just another word for OPINION. Congratulations, so it was no received highly by the general media, but that hardly means that it is not worth playing. By all means, you should look at reviews if it is a game you have heard nothing about, but only as a very superficial means of gathering information as to game genre. Game reviews should not define whether or not you buy a game, that should rest with the demo and perhaps a rental.

People who do nothing but read reviews and do exactly what game reviewers tell them (i.e. don't buy a game because it got bad reviews) are nothing more than sheep, and that makes you a very well taught gamer I guess, but I strive to decide for myself what I think is good. So you have fun surfing metacritic trying to decide what your next game will be, I'm going to go ahead and play some.

Modifié par Essian, 18 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[Lea-Anne]

I think Bioware should apologize for purposefully trying to inflate that score through false pretenses.

Personally I think it is hillarious that EA (or Bioware) Staff gave it perfect scores and it still has such a low rating...

I like the game a lot. I don't consider the game a failure, I like to play it. I just don't think it compaires to Origins well.

[AkiKishi]

After finally finishing the game (end battle froze on me twice) I feel like a great weight has been lifted. No sense of elation, just glad it's over.

It wasn't all bad, DA2 just had a lot of things I dislike in one package. And Bioware needs to start making complete games again not just episodes.

[MorrigansLove]

You've let the fans down Bioware. A few people may like your game, but the true fans did not.

[Lea-Anne]

Ashr4m wrote...

I think EA should just stop to try to cash in by using well known titles for new games which to me would be considered fraud in any other business. The reason why they use common brands is because they are afraid of starting completely new brands so they use well known brands to publish rather new games counting on selling some copies just due to the good name. For me that is rather shady business.

That is exactly what irkes me about Squenix. They slap "Final Fantasy" on so many games... It's depressing to be a fan of them.

It is also the reason I HATE Blood Omen 2... Crystal Dynamics even admitted they stole the whole bloody premise and design from a previously unreleased game that they bought the rights of.

[HawXV2]

Who cares? I love the game.

[Altima Darkspells]

I'm more amused by the fact that the user scores are HALF of what the reviewers have given the game, even with BioWare employees inflating the score.

I'm sure that sends a message to anyone who bothers to look up the metacritic score.

[Bryy_Miller]

YipLee wrote...
I think we do deserve an apologize.  

... why?

[Aidunno]

My impression is that most reviews were rated down primarily because of the reused environments rather than anything else. Bioware knew this was a risk and it is one of the things which is blatently obvious when playing. If you had a lot more locations I expect the game would have been rated far higher.

No apology is needed as DA2 is a good game. It's not perfect but I can probably pick faults with any game.

[AkiKishi]

Lea-Anne wrote...

That is exactly what irkes me about Squenix. They slap "Final Fantasy" on so many games... It's depressing to be a fan of them.

Final Fantasy has always been a brand not a continuation. They don't even take place in the same worlds. They do share some common elements, but thats about as far as it goes.

Exception being the -2 games,or spin offs.

http://wii.gamezone....the_last_story/

Modifié par BobSmith101, 18 mars 2011 - 08:18 .