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[stuboy52]

if its a scale of 0 to 100 obviously 50 or below is bad to aweful, 50 to 70 is ok or playable, 70 to 85 is good the great the 85 to 100 is brilliant to perfect. anyway i know DA2 is brilliant and if the OP is so annoyed then dont buy bioware games because clearly their not for you. seriously i see so many haters who obviously shouldnt play bioware games if they hate them for the most part they cant stand the bioware dare move the field forward.

i say Bioware is doing well the push the field sure some thing may not work but aleast the have the guts to try keep up the great work Bioware.

[Bathead]

I could care less about final review scores from either users OR pro reviewers. All that is, in the long run, is those people's opinions. All I ever read reviews for is to get an idea of what is or isn't in the game, what features I might or might not like. If a reviewer says something along the lines of
"This game has this, this, and this feature, which in this reviewers opinion, makes it a bad game, so I'm giving it a low score." If I personally like "this, this, and this feature", even if he doesn't, then I will be more likely to buy this game, regardless of whether or not the reviewer came to a different conclusion. He has his opinion of those features, I have mine.

[Dr. Impossible]

stuboy52 wrote...

if its a scale of 0 to 100 obviously 50 or below is bad to aweful

50 is exactly in the middle, i.e. exactly average.

seriously i see so many haters who obviously shouldnt play bioware games if they hate them for the most part they cant stand the bioware dare move the field forward.

Moving the field forward hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Ahahahahahahaha.

[Xewaka]

Purple People Eater wrote...
I love how 83 is thought of by some people as a bad score. 83 is a great overall score. Some people are stupid, and there's no cure for it.

On isolation? Yes, it is a good score. However, let's review Bioware RPG history and its scoring:


Baldur’s Gate: 91
Baldur’s Gate 2: 95
Neverwinter Nights: 91
Kotor: 93
Jade Empire: 89
Mass Effect: 91
Mass Effect 2: 96
Dragon Age Origins: 91
Dragon Age 2: 83

I'm going by metacritic values because they simply average all reviews. As you can see in the list, Dragon Age 2 critical reception has been worse than any other Bioware titles.
Good? Yes. As good as expected from Bioware? Going by the critics, no.

[Perles75]

Ashr4m wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

Is this, what, the 8394035th thread about the Metacritic score?

Yet the 8394035th person that doesnt care but still seems to feel the urge to post this

I care, I actually care a lot, because the forum is polluted by the same threads all the time and it has become unreadable and extremely irritating

[Perles75]

Xewaka wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
I love how 83 is thought of by some people as a bad score. 83 is a great overall score. Some people are stupid, and there's no cure for it.

On isolation? Yes, it is a good score. However, let's review Bioware RPG history and its scoring:


Baldur’s Gate: 91
Baldur’s Gate 2: 95
Neverwinter Nights: 91
Kotor: 93
Jade Empire: 89
Mass Effect: 91
Mass Effect 2: 96
Dragon Age Origins: 91
Dragon Age 2: 83

I'm going by metacritic values because they simply average all reviews. As you can see in the list, Dragon Age 2 critical reception has been worse than any other Bioware titles.
Good? Yes. As good as expected from Bioware? Going by the critics, no.

I have not acquired DA2 yet but I think it will be like that, i.e. a good game but perhaps slightly disappointing for the expectations one has from Bioware.
The problem is that many people discard the "good game" part and they just care about the "slightly disappointing", turning DA2 in a utter disaster, which is ridicolous.
If it's a good "83%"  game, I'll be happy, hoping that Bioware will listen to the reasonable criticism and will work to improve for the future.

[Xewaka]

Perles75 wrote...
I have not acquired DA2 yet but I think it will be like that, i.e. a good game but perhaps slightly disappointing for the expectations one has from Bioware.
The problem is that many people discard the "good game" part and they just care about the "slightly disappointing", turning DA2 in a utter disaster, which is ridicolous.
If it's a good "83%"  game, I'll be happy, hoping that Bioware will listen to the reasonable criticism and will work to improve for the future.

Indeed. But as Bobsmith101 pointed earlier, dropping from "excellent" to "good" is more alarm-raising than simply coast through "mediocre". Expectations carry a heavy weight, specially expectations for continous excellency; and when apparently unmet, the ripples extend far longer.

[GregoriusMaximus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

83 is bad? Who knew - I'm sure that everyone who ever received a B in school owes their parents an apology then.

Yes they do. Bs are for failures. Bioware is the Oxford University of RPG developers. For them to get something as lame as 83 is embarrassing.

[FellowerOfOdin]

You gotta see it from another perspective.

Making great games takes a lot of time and money and you get 60$ per sold copy.

Making mediocre, rushed games takes less time and less money and you still get 60$ per sold copy.

Expect Dragon Age 3 in the next few months!

[Xewaka]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
You gotta see it from another perspective.
Making great games takes a lot of time and money and you get 60$ per sold copy.
Making mediocre, rushed games takes less time and less money and you still get 60$ per sold copy.
Expect Dragon Age 3 in the next few months!

Not yet. First they have to bleed people with alternate appearance packs DLC for companions.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Faster times couldnt have anything to do with familiarity with the engine or anything....not that youre entirely wrong, but thats cynacism at its finest

[Korusus]

Regardless of what some may feel about 80 to 83 being a good score, that's clearly not what BioWare thinks given the interview with the lead designer Laidlaw wherein he stated that the metacritic scores were disappointing and that they generally aim for 90.  That was when the PC score was at 85 and the X360 at 83.  They've tumbled since then.  I've been watching them for the last few days waiting to see if the X360 score will actually dip down into the 70s.  That's amazingly disappointing for BioWare themselves.  I'm just a customer, I could care less about reviews myself, but BioWare cannot be happy with the reviews right now.  It's unimaginable that they would be.  DA2 is a decent game, but nowhere near the company's standards which is what made them so profitable for EA to begin with (that and the MMO).

[johook213]

I looked back at metacritic scores for Bioware games. BG1 and 2, ME1 and 2, and KOTOR scored in the low 90s, and everything else was in the mid-to-high 80s. >.> DA2 with an 83 isn't *THAT* terrible. lol

Modifié par johook213, 18 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[johook213]

Oh wait, Jade Empire had an 80 on the PC, but an 89 on the Xbox. lol

[Alpr]

83 is bad? Oh man...

[bluecapsule6]

In this thread: a fundamental lack of understanding how scales work. Just because the number 50 is the middle point between 1 and 100 doesn't mean a score of 50 = median.

[Cloaking_Thane]

even when scaled to a school grade-type scale the game is above average, not their best effort but not the abyss people on here would lead you to believe.

I actually really enjoy it and a few characters I really really enjoy, I almost want them to do a spin off game with Varric!

[Dr. Impossible]

bluecapsule6 wrote...

In this thread: a fundamental lack of understanding how scales work. Just because the number 50 is the middle point between 1 and 100 doesn't mean a score of 50 = median.

Treating 50 as the average is the way games should be scored when using the 0-100 scale.

[Cadaveth]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

83 is bad? Who knew - I'm sure that everyone who ever received a B in school owes their parents an apology then. BioWare owes you nothing by the way.

It is bad since every decent/semi-decent or even somewhat half-assed AAA-game gets over 90 universally.

[Korusus]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

bluecapsule6 wrote...

In this thread: a fundamental lack of understanding how scales work. Just because the number 50 is the middle point between 1 and 100 doesn't mean a score of 50 = median.

Treating 50 as the average is the way games should be scored when using the 0-100 scale.

Except that 50 is not the average.  And that's not the way the industry works.  Average is in the 70 to 80 range for the vast majority of crappy games the industry puts out.  Just becuase 50 is the halfway point between 0 and 100 doesn't mean it holds any special meaning. 

EDIT:  And please people.  Median and average are words with definitions and meanings.

Modifié par Korusus, 18 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[Dr. Impossible]

Korusus wrote...
Except that 50 is not the average.

Yes it is.

[johook213]

Well when I was in college anything below 70 was failing.... 70-79 was a C (average), 80-89 was a B (above average), and 90-100 was an A (excellence!) lol

[Korusus]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Korusus wrote...
Except that 50 is not the average.

Yes it is.

If the vast majority of games are rated between 70 and 80 (not 1 and 100), then the average is not 50.  Never has been, never will be.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Korusus wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

bluecapsule6 wrote...

In this thread: a fundamental lack of understanding how scales work. Just because the number 50 is the middle point between 1 and 100 doesn't mean a score of 50 = median.

Treating 50 as the average is the way games should be scored when using the 0-100 scale.

Except that 50 is not the average.  And that's not the way the industry works.  Average is in the 70 to 80 range for the vast majority of crappy games the industry puts out.  Just becuase 50 is the halfway point between 0 and 100 doesn't mean it holds any special meaning. 

You have a complete lack of understanding of statistics and averages its almost embarrassing: please look up mean: avg , median: number directly in the middle of 2 values in a set , and mode: most often #......futher your subjective "crappy games" could be someones 10's, but please quit educating people incorrectly

50 is the median or middle value if the scale is 0-100 and is by definition the middle of the road score

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 18 mars 2011 - 03:40 .

[Korusus]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

bluecapsule6 wrote...

In this thread: a fundamental lack of understanding how scales work. Just because the number 50 is the middle point between 1 and 100 doesn't mean a score of 50 = median.

Treating 50 as the average is the way games should be scored when using the 0-100 scale.

Except that 50 is not the average.  And that's not the way the industry works.  Average is in the 70 to 80 range for the vast majority of crappy games the industry puts out.  Just becuase 50 is the halfway point between 0 and 100 doesn't mean it holds any special meaning. 

You have a complete lack of understanding of statistics and averages its almost embarrassing: please look up mean: avg , median: number directly in the middle of 2 values in a set , and mode: most often #......futher your subjective "crappy games" could be someones 10's, but please quit educating people incorrectly

Metacritic's scoring system uses an average of the reviews (it's not that simple, but it's essentially an averaging system).  Just because Metacritics scale is 1 to 100 doesn't make DA2's average 50.  See?  The average of all the scores of every videogame ever made on Metacritic or any other aggregate site will not and will never be 50.  Good day sir.