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[JnEricsonx]

I can't believe...he just frakking NUKED THE CHANTRY!

[Gabey5]

yeah he sure did liven things up

[JnEricsonx]

I just killed him too, I feel so crappy, but boy the Anders in Awakening would have NOT considered doing what he did. And my Hawke is a Mage, but this....God I was sitting there in shock.

[NinjaRogue]

I felt so satisfied seeing his lifeless face on my screen. Jerk.

[Brass_Buckles]

I felt terrible that I had actually romanced the creep. But since my mage had already helped him and she was all for freeing the mages, I had her stay with him.

I feel like Bioware pretty much ruined two perfectly good characters with Anders. In Awakening, he was awesome. Justice was awesome. But now...? I actually made extra saves while I decided what to do. Killing him was too difficult after romancing him, even though he definitely deserved it. My mage said love was more important than anything else, so that would be a betrayal (unfortunately). I tried letting him go, but Sebastian still had a cow over that.

Most telling of all is when Anders explains that Justice was gone the moment he merged with Anders. He didn't become Vengeance. He wasn't really conversing with Anders. He simply was Anders, much in the same way that Wynne's spirit didn't actually seem to speak to her. I'm also not sure Anders is a real abomination. Justice, where he's actually involved in the Fade, still seems to be sane. It's Anders who has gone mad and blames it on Justice. The influence is there, but it's Anders, not Justice, who is winning out.

I understand why Anders did what he did, but I also think it was completely stupid and my mage would have stopped him if she'd known. But he threatened to dump her if she said no to helping him, and hey, separating himself from Justice? That seemed like a good idea... Too bad it wasn't honest.  And yes, I realized even then that the emotional blackmail was bad, but I thought I'd be able to confront him about it later.  Instead he blew up the Chantry.

I felt disgusted with and betrayed by Anders. Possibly one of the worst parts about it is knowing that Anders himself is at least somewhat religious, so he knows he's killed people who were completely innocent.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 18 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Gabey5]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I felt terrible that I had actually romanced the creep. But since my mage had already helped him and she was all for freeing the mages, I had her stay with him.

I feel like Bioware pretty much ruined two perfectly good characters with Anders. In Awakening, he was awesome. Justice was awesome. But now...? I actually made extra saves while I decided what to do. Killing him was too difficult after romancing him, even though he definitely deserved it. My mage said love was more important than anything else, so that would be a betrayal (unfortunately). I tried letting him go, but Sebastian still had a cow over that.

Most telling of all is when Anders explains that Justice was gone the moment he merged with Anders. He didn't become Vengeance. He wasn't really conversing with Anders. He simply was Anders, much in the same way that Wynne's spirit didn't actually seem to speak to her. I'm also not sure Anders is a real abomination. Justice, where he's actually involved in the Fade, still seems to be sane. It's Anders who has gone mad and blames it on Justice. The influence is there, but it's Anders, not Justice, who is winning out.

I understand why Anders did what he did, but I also think it was completely stupid and my mage would have stopped him if she'd known. But he threatened to dump her if she said no to helping him, and hey, separating himself from Justice? That seemed like a good idea... Too bad it wasn't honest.

I felt disgusted with and betrayed by Anders. Possibly one of the worst parts about it is knowing that Anders himself is at least somewhat religious, so he knows he's killed people who were completely innocent.

Innocent people die in war, Hawke knows that firsthand. Mage freedom was worth dying for and killing for him.  The reason he kept it from Hawke was because he didn't want to be talked out of it. I don't see what was so surprising, after each interaction with him since his friend went tranquil he was getting more and more extreme.

Modifié par Gabey5, 18 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[NinjaRogue]

And the Grand Cleric who is probably the most noble Dragon Age Character in my book. She is like a grandma Stupid Anders *murder knifes a thousand times*

[JnEricsonx]

And oh yeah, Fenris bailed on me cause I wanted to help keep the Mages safe.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

My mage hawke who romanced him let him live, since he'd been getting pretty extreme himself over the game, so he started the revolution. My warrior hawke grew increasingly anti-magic as teh game went, so she obviously knifed the mofo.

[Brass_Buckles]

Fenris stuck by me. It's weird, I was pro-mage the entire game, I was playing a mage, but I still managed to be friends with Fenris. And yet I was rivals with Merrill because I could see that her personal passion was likely to get her killed, or worse.

[DrGulag]

Anders is basically a terrorist, fighting against the established order by any means necessary. It was also very calculated, because he believed killing innocent people would incite more hatred from both parties.

It kinda pissed me off to see Bioware use this plot device because this is what we see in news every day at the moment.

I did kill Anders but didn't get any satisfaction from it. They ruined a decent character from Awakening and I went from playing a medieval fantasy rpg to witnessing terrorist explosion against a rival religion. <_<

Modifié par DrGulag, 18 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[Brass_Buckles]

DrGulag wrote...

Anders is basically a terrorist, fighting against the established order by any means necessary. It was also very calculated, because he believed killing innocent people would incite more hatred from both parties.

It kinda pissed me off to see Bioware use this plot device because this is what we see in news every day at the moment.

This too.  I had that exact thought and I was disgusted to keep romancing him afterward.  I know I could break up but the breakup wasn't any more satisfying (there should have been more yelling involved about how she couldn't be with someone who'd done something so unconscionable).  Killing him wasn't satisfying.  Simply sending him away didn't seem right, either.  Send him away so that what?  He can do more terrorist acts?  So I just sucked it up and assumed my mage shared his convictions.  But if I ever romance him again, he's going to die or be sent away.  And that's a big if, because anti-mage as he is, at least Fenris doesn't murder possibly hundreds of innocent people and say that it was necessary.

[naomis8329]

I have played DA since its release and loved the original and awakening games. I adore Anders in Awakening and he has become one of my most favourite characters. That said I love the story line in DA2 the fight to free the mages (and I'm sure it will continue if the ending is anything to go by, with possibly Warden intervention), but to turn Anders into a raving lunatic has left me cold and in shock.

Anders in Awakening was the conscience of the group, always trying to do what was "right" and not just for mages. He was fun and charismatic, dark but not evil. This I think was in part due to his being taken to the Circle at such a late age, 15 I believe, so he had more freedom than most and resented it for the rest of his life in the Circle.

Like I said the storyline is amazing and I wanted this (the fight for freedom for mages) I did/do not like what has been done to one of the most amazing characters in the games so far. I'll be totally honest here, when the Chantry blew up and I realised who had done it, I sat in shock and cried.

I do hope for continuity sake the next game/dlc carries on this story to its inevitable conclusion and that we see some the characters from the original game come back looking as they did.

[Ryzaki]

Me I wasn't too upset.

Too long had the abuses gone on. And that was the boiling point. Better the Chantry than a whole city.

Could've been worse.

[DrGulag]

Atleast he had good justification for blowing up people who were inside a church.

He was denied the right to own a cat.

[Persephone]

My jaw dropped down into the Deep Roads.... I mean....when he got up and started talking I was yelling "No, no, what are you.......NO............" *BOOM* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!". It was terrible.

[TexasToast712]

Anders obviously got a 25 kill streak.

Or is it 20? havent played MW2 in ages.

[Kamikazi117]

He was going a little nuts, so I refused to accompany him on his "visit" to the chantry. Turns out, that decision wasn't as pivotal as I had assumed it to be, and he blew it up anyway. I made sure my next decision regarding Anders was both pivotal......and final. I stabbed the mutha.

Modifié par Kamikazi117, 18 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[Akron1983]

I wouldnt say they ruined Anders. In awakening he was just "that mage-Alistair". Now he is his own character. And it isnt completely out of the blue that he did what he did. In awakening he always hated the circle and the templars. He escaped several times. Also he never was one to play by the rules. I thinking nuking the chantry falls under not playing by the rules haha

Modifié par Akron1983, 18 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[UgnokOfOtherThings]

**** the Chantry. Im glad he blew it up, the Chantry was a gaint douche to many people. Go Anders!

[Foolsfolly]

Akron1983 wrote...

I wouldnt say they ruined Anders. In awakening he was just "that mage-Alistair". Now he is his own character. And it isnt completely out of the blue that he did what he did. In awakening he always hated the circle and the templars. He escaped several times. Also he never was one to play by the rules. I thinking nuking the chantry falls under not playing by the rules haha

This.

It was firmly in Anders character to blow up the Chantry, especially since Hawke met him after Awakening. But while it was in character it was not expected.

You just don't expect your companions in a BioWare game to out-right betray you and murder innocents for their own agendas.

That single act made Anders a full character completely different from Alistair....which was all Anders was in Awakening. Mage Alistair with a cat.

[Icinix]

Anders died at the end of DA: Awakening...

That monster in DA2 was not Anders. I choose to remember him for what he was, not what he became.

[Naitaka]

Blowing up the Chantry is just a gesture. The fact is he wanted to get rid of Grand Cleric Eldina and make a statement that CANNOT be overlooked by the rest of Thedas. Blowing up the Chantry just happen to achieve both of those goals at the same time. He said as much when you ask him about it after the giant red beam of death.

[LobselVith8]

JnEricsonx wrote...

I just killed him too, I feel so crappy, but boy the Anders in Awakening would have NOT considered doing what he did. And my Hawke is a Mage, but this....God I was sitting there in shock.

Anders in Awakening didn't endure his first love Karl begging to be killed rather than live as a "templar puppet."

NinjaRogue wrote...

I felt so satisfied seeing his lifeless face on my screen. Jerk.

Why is he a jerk? Because he wants to see an end to the slavery perpetuated by the Chantry for a thousand years against the mages? Considering we encounter rape, torture, tranquility, and murder committed by templars, and the Grand Cleric is doing absolutely nothing to put an end to the plight of the mages, should Anders have waited for another thousand years to transpire before doing something about the slavery of his people? Anders attacked the Chantry so the mages could see that they can indeed be defied (which is what happened when the Circles rose up and freed themselves from Chantry and templar control). You're free to debate whether it was right or wrong, but Anders was focused on seeing his people free.

[Medhia Nox]

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.