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[dreman9999]

JnEricsonx wrote...

I just killed him too, I feel so crappy, but boy the Anders in Awakening would have NOT considered doing what he did. And my Hawke is a Mage, but this....God I was sitting there in shock.

People change and you could see it with Anders, too.

[LobselVith8]

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

I'm pretty sure you mean that plenty of people have a problem with slavery, and they don't mind when people take action to see the end of slavery.

[Akron1983]

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

Its amazing how many people forget that its a fictional story.
The discussion is about a fictional character blowing up a fictional curch in a fictional story and if that act was good for the story or not.

[DrGulag]

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

Supporting Anders is like supporting a palestinian suicide bomber who blows up a bunch of people in Israel just because he feels persecuted and locked up in Gaza. And Anders believed he died as a martyr too.

Except it isn't because it's a bunch of crazy pixels trying to kill each other in Thedas so it's cool to support him. Just like I supported Meredith before she started swinging with that soul edge sword of hers lol.

Modifié par DrGulag, 18 mars 2011 - 05:02 .

[dreman9999]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I felt terrible that I had actually romanced the creep. But since my mage had already helped him and she was all for freeing the mages, I had her stay with him.

I feel like Bioware pretty much ruined two perfectly good characters with Anders. In Awakening, he was awesome. Justice was awesome. But now...? I actually made extra saves while I decided what to do. Killing him was too difficult after romancing him, even though he definitely deserved it. My mage said love was more important than anything else, so that would be a betrayal (unfortunately). I tried letting him go, but Sebastian still had a cow over that.

Most telling of all is when Anders explains that Justice was gone the moment he merged with Anders. He didn't become Vengeance. He wasn't really conversing with Anders. He simply was Anders, much in the same way that Wynne's spirit didn't actually seem to speak to her. I'm also not sure Anders is a real abomination. Justice, where he's actually involved in the Fade, still seems to be sane. It's Anders who has gone mad and blames it on Justice. The influence is there, but it's Anders, not Justice, who is winning out.

I understand why Anders did what he did, but I also think it was completely stupid and my mage would have stopped him if she'd known. But he threatened to dump her if she said no to helping him, and hey, separating himself from Justice? That seemed like a good idea... Too bad it wasn't honest.  And yes, I realized even then that the emotional blackmail was bad, but I thought I'd be able to confront him about it later.  Instead he blew up the Chantry.

I felt disgusted with and betrayed by Anders. Possibly one of the worst parts about it is knowing that Anders himself is at least somewhat religious, so he knows he's killed people who were completely innocent.

1. You did not have to Stay with him. If your too weak to kill him or turn him away that's your problem.
2. They didn't ruin him. He their best developt character ever. His story was about a man who use to be carefree outside templers and so felt so strongly about hating the circle that he took a spirit into himself to change himself for ever to get freedom for his people. He was part of the mage under ground, he made manafestos about it all the time. Even through out the acts he when from someone who could make joke to some completly bitter. Even his banter stoped being fun By act 3. He be came more reclusive. All the tells were there, and yet we helped him getthe parts of the bomb even though we though we were helping him. And he did....that...... The point was to make trhink about it.
As I character I like him because of his tragic story but as a person........I hate him and I'm disapponted with him.

[LobselVith8]

DrGulag wrote...

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

Supporting Anders is like supporting a palestinian suicide bomber who blows up a bunch of people in Israel just because he feels persecuted and locked up in Gaza. And Anders believed he died as a martyr too.

Except it isn't because it's a bunch of crazy pixels trying to kill each other in Thedas so it's cool to support him. Just like I supported Meredith before she started swinging with that soul edge sword of hers lol.

Considering a Palestian suicide bomber isn't working towards the end of slavery that's gone on for a thousand years like Anders is - no, it's nothing alike.

[dreman9999]

Akron1983 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

Its amazing how many people forget that its a fictional story.
The discussion is about a fictional character blowing up a fictional curch in a fictional story and if that act was good for the story or not.

I dosen't matter if it fictional. What matter is the questions it brings up. Everything in the game is a giant "What would you do?". And if people have an opion, then it rightly so.

[VampOrchid]

UgnokOfOtherThings wrote...

**** the Chantry. Im glad he blew it up, the Chantry was a gaint douche to many people. Go Anders!

this ^

[Akron1983]

dreman9999 wrote...

Akron1983 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's amazing how many people actually condone terrorism - so amazing I wonder why they have such a problem with current world situations.

Its amazing how many people forget that its a fictional story.
The discussion is about a fictional character blowing up a fictional curch in a fictional story and if that act was good for the story or not.

I dosen't matter if it fictional. What matter is the questions it brings up. Everything in the game is a giant "What would you do?". And if people have an opion, then it rightly so.

I highly doubt that anyone who says "Anders did the right thing" would do so if it was an acctual case of terrorism.
Because its not. You cant even begin to compare them.

I thought was Anders did was right. Why? Because it gave me an awesome "WTF moment". I, personally, did not see it coming and I absolutely loved it. It made for good story-telling.

[Elystia]

DrGulag wrote...

Anders is basically a terrorist, fighting against the established order by any means necessary. It was also very calculated, because he believed killing innocent people would incite more hatred from both parties.

It kinda pissed me off to see Bioware use this plot device because this is what we see in news every day at the moment.

I did kill Anders but didn't get any satisfaction from it. They ruined a decent character from Awakening and I went from playing a medieval fantasy rpg to witnessing terrorist explosion against a rival religion. <_<

I toltally agree with ruining a good character.
I romanced him thinking this was a good match even though Im a rogue and he's a mage and we'll both be running for the rest of our lives...but I was willing to take that chance for love...

THEN, the ****** blackmailed me!? Even though Im still not to the point of him blowing up the Chantry, he still blackmailed me in deceiving the cleric. Hey, I loved that woman, she was like my grandma...and her house always smelled like a bakery...I miss that.
I am so killing Anders when the time comes!

But I need to remember that its not his fault...they wrote him that way! dangit!