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[Brass_Buckles]

This being the spoiler forum, warning in my title might be redundant, but just in case...

I have a theory how Anders used a handful of ingredients to explode the Chantry.  And I have to wonder if this had been in the process of being set up by previous mages for years beforehand.

If you read all of the "Enigma of Kirkwall" notes, you learn that Kirkwall is built on blood and runes.  And that power was never, for whatever reason, used, apparently.  I don't know how Anders learned about it or figured it out--maybe Justice knew from ancient times past.  But what he did against the Chantry was blood magic, using that pent-up power beneath Kirkwall.  At least, that's my theory.  And if it's correct, that may not even have been all of the available power.

[TexasToast712]

The red color of the beam makes me think it has something to do with that weird red lyrium found in the primevial thaig.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[Brass_Buckles]

But blood magic is also red and there was only one shard as far as we know, apart from what Meredith used for her evil sword of +20 evil.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Anders, despite his contant fanaticism, is consistent in his hatred of blood magic. I doubt he'd knowingly utilize blood magic, even for that.

[TexasToast712]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

But blood magic is also red and there was only one shard as far as we know, apart from what Meredith used for her evil sword of +20 evil.

There are whole chunks of the stuff down in the Thaig. Who is to say he didnt discover some in a tunnel under the Chantry?

[Brass_Buckles]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Anders, despite his contant fanaticism, is consistent in his hatred of blood magic. I doubt he'd knowingly utilize blood magic, even for that.

He's also a fairly devout follower of the Chantry if you listen to his banter.  And yet, he blew up the Chantry.

Edited to add:  And I am not sure it's entirely intentional that he used blood magic.  Maybe he knew the power was there.  Maybe not.  Maybe the effect was greater than he'd intended.  Maybe we'll know next game.  Maybe not.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 18 mars 2011 - 08:57 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

You're reading too much into it, guys. A wizard did it. Literally. That's really all you need to know.

Fairly amusing that one of the ingredients used to start a war was crystalized urine and feces, but...

[Foolsfolly]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

You're reading too much into it, guys. A wizard did it. Literally. That's really all you need to know.

Fairly amusing that one of the ingredients used to start a war was crystalized urine and feces, but...

Ahem

[genocidal villain]

anders used poo to blow up the chantry

[Augustei]

Didn't he make Gunpowder? I mean the ingrediants are quite similar if I recall. The Dragon age equivilant of gun powder maybe? I thought he may have stolen plans from the Qunari while they were in Kirkwall

[Lithuasil]

Poo is a weapon, monkeys do it too?

[Naitaka]

I assume that he somehow learned how to create explosive because well, that exactly what his ingredient sounds like. Also, Ander is a devoted follower of Andrastate and the Maker, not of the Chantry. Those two are very, very different things. I'm just not sure how studying Old Tevinter tome could give him the information he need to create gun powder, but it's conceivable he lied about that part of his plan as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden learned of Qunari's formula to create gun powder somehow.

Modifié par Naitaka, 18 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Didn't he make Gunpowder? I mean the ingrediants are quite similar if I recall. The Dragon age equivilant of gun powder maybe? I thought he may have stolen plans from the Qunari while they were in Kirkwall

Gunpowder typically doesn't result in giant glowning red pillars of magical death. Rather massive fiery explosions of realistic death, which do the same thing but don't look nearly as mystical.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 18 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[Foolsfolly]

Well, besides the fact he opened a clinic in the sewers (thus next to an ingredient he'd need) he also opened shop at the one place where you can buy great lost Tevinter books for cheap (according to the Enigma of Kirkwall codex).

So, he could get his hands on books and ingredients while having the safety of dozens of escape tunnels that the Templar would have trouble shutting down before moving in on him.

Anders learned the golden rule about setting up a shop, it all comes down to location.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Naitaka wrote...

I assume that he somehow learned how to create explosive because well, that exactly what his ingredient sounds like. Also, Ander is a devoted follower of Andrastate and the Maker, not of the Chantry. Those two are very, very different things. I'm just not sure how studying Old Tevinter tome could give him the information he need to create gun powder, but it's conceivable he lied about that part of his plan as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden learned of Qunari's formula to create gun powder somehow.

Anders WAS acquainted to a certain dwarf with a penchant for explosives, so that may factor into it.

[Naitaka]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

I assume that he somehow learned how to create explosive because well, that exactly what his ingredient sounds like. Also, Ander is a devoted follower of Andrastate and the Maker, not of the Chantry. Those two are very, very different things. I'm just not sure how studying Old Tevinter tome could give him the information he need to create gun powder, but it's conceivable he lied about that part of his plan as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden learned of Qunari's formula to create gun powder somehow.

Anders WAS acquainted to a certain dwarf with a penchant for explosives, so that may factor into it.

True, but the explosive in DA:A was lyrium based if I'm not mistaken, while I doubt Ander used much, if any Lyrium at all with his red pillar of death.

[stuboy52]

i still think it was to do with red lyrium as as said he hates blood magic and also on point of him devout yes he is to the maker but he hates the chantry, the templars and the circle all in equal measure as they all are part of mages suffering.

[Sabariel]

Vengeance got all "A"s in Chemistry

[Vilegrim]

Naitaka wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

I assume that he somehow learned how to create explosive because well, that exactly what his ingredient sounds like. Also, Ander is a devoted follower of Andrastate and the Maker, not of the Chantry. Those two are very, very different things. I'm just not sure how studying Old Tevinter tome could give him the information he need to create gun powder, but it's conceivable he lied about that part of his plan as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden learned of Qunari's formula to create gun powder somehow.

Anders WAS acquainted to a certain dwarf with a penchant for explosives, so that may factor into it.

True, but the explosive in DA:A was lyrium based if I'm not mistaken, while I doubt Ander used much, if any Lyrium at all with his red pillar of death.

red lyrium+ salt peter + charcoal = gunpowder with added pwn all ID4 lazor.

[Monochrome Wench]

I think conventional explosive + magic for extra boom!