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[montpoupon]

The game was released on March 8, take a look at when each of the reviews was released. People who complain that DA2 is too "streamlined" or "simplified" compared to DAO frankly, are also guilty of just rushing through the game. I'm playing through the game at my own pace, doing each and every quest and I'm enjoying it thoroughly.

Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
--> I don't get it, there's quite a lot of dialogue, both with characters and NPCs.

Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
--> Not sure what you're complaining about, the companions seem to have just as much if not more personality than those in DAO. I've reloaded save points so many times switching the party mixup just to hear what each person's comment is on the situation. And if you have certain people present in certain situations, some interesting interactions occur. Try running around with a party of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline after "The Long Road" is complete.

Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
--> This I agree with. But the trade-off is that there are more quests, more story components. I was always impressed by how there was such a beautiful, one-time-use map for a Leliana's "rival encounter" in the forest. But at the same time it seemed a bit of a waste for what ends up being 20 minutes of the player's time. That said, while the caves in DA2 are "high quality", they do get too familiar after a while.

Bring back party itemisation.
--> I'm kinda on the fence on this one. They're your companions, do you really need to tell them how to dress? One thing I'm always wary about is itemization that puts your people into horrible (or unnatural) outfits just for the stats. In DAO the overall clothing designs tended to be more generic, but in DA2 the companion designs are very personalized for each person. The only DAO person who came close to this was Morrigan, and that is because she had well, specialized "armor". She looked sad once you put her into a regular robe or hat or whatnot.

Bring back Dragon Age.
--> I'm having a lot of fun with the game. Its better in many ways, worse in a few. I like that you have more roots in the game, that the game does make you go back and forth in the area that you live quite a bit, that people and the area evolve. What I don't like about Bioware games in the past is that they've been at the end of the day a fairly linear path with about 6-7 mission areas that you go through in the order you want - this is especially true for DAO and ME2. I like that DA2 is more like ME1 in that there's more sidequests, even if its at the expense of some map re-use.

I like it that its not your typical Bioware formulaic "you're the last jedi/warden/spectre/special kung-fu school student/son of death god" theme. Its a different approach, and one that I am really liking. I don't mind if they do this again, create a complex story spanning the lives of several people over many years.

[Nonoru]

At least it's not only the PC players who enjoy the game now.

Modifié par Nonoru, 18 mars 2011 - 01:08 .

[exskeeny]

oldmansavage wrote...

Grovermancer wrote...

Wivvix wrote...


Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
Bring back party itemisation.
Bring back Dragon Age.

Bring back the hard, effortful, believable combat that looked like it came from actual human beings, (instead of the spastic, ADD, anime, console hack n slash, weightless-weapons, exploding-bodies everywhere, 'God of War' nonsense that is DA2's melee combat.)

I'm with you bud the only people that like this new system are little kids and tapout shirt wearing tards who think call of duty was the best game ever.

I'm not a little kid, Call of Duty was good as was Call of Duty 2, however the rest were utter pooh. I actually don't mind any of those point (I don't see how the you can compare the different genre's though,)s. I loved Dragon Age: Origins but I was plagued by random crashes and bugs so I will probably never play it again.

I think DA2 is great game and I know I will play this time and time again I just wish I could do the same with DA:O with confidence that I won't crash every 20 mins.

[Mlaar]

daemon1129 wrote...

To sum it up for those who TL:DR, what I am trying to say is, anything below 90% for a AAA is not good at all, definitely for an indie title, but its sub par for a sequel to Dragon Age Origins.

I long for the day when all games are rated on the same scale non of this AAA rubish indie crap.. if someone reviews a game out a 100% then yes I expect 90%+ to mean this game is verging on epicness 80% to mean this game is very good 50-70% to mean hey its above average regardless what genre the game is.. quite simple really I buy a game with 83% then thats what I expect a game of high quality regardless of who made it, why do people always have to try and overcomplicate things is beyond me.

Personal note I would have placed DA2 between 65 - 75% it was a fun game for filling in the time till something truely inspiring comes along (Sorry Bioware but it really comes across as you were cutting corners to reach a release date rather than spending extra time to make the game reach its full potential)

[Ke11iente]

The metacritic review is more accurate than anything you'll read on here. Reviews / reception of the game is going to be skewed on this forum.
We're on the bioware social boards. We're fans.

People who aren't Bioware fans that were seriously "meh" about this game won't be in this forum. But they might review on metacritic.

[Dubya75]

Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
DISAGREE

Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
DISAGREE

Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
AGREE

Bring back party itemisation.
DISAGREE

[Evolution33]

User opinions are not statistics. A lot of people have opinions that David Eckstein is graet at baseball because he has a large heart, but his average WAR per season has been around 1.8 which means he is slightly below average. Statistics are measurements and have nothing to do with opinion. The point of a stat is it is not subjective. The stats that will tell Bioware if people liked the game or not is how many people started and finished the game, and how many of those that finished went on to play a second playthrough. A large sampling of user opinions are just that a sampling of opinions.

[Undead Union]

I think this is more about the OP's disregard of Dragon Age 2 than anything else. The only reason why users post this type of trash is because they don't want to throw their opinions in the dust...being too obnoxious and garrulous, they hope to instill hatred in the community for something that is more than just "different". Because THEY disliked Dragon Age 2, they want all the fans, even the majority of those who really like the game, to feel bad about purchasing it. You know, it's not only foolish to post stuff like this...it's also blatantly irresponsible.

Nobody loves change, but the fact that fans of Bioware, a company that is constantly reiterating its gameplay and story mechanics, complain NOW about such things as the changes in Dragon Age 2...well, it makes fans seem much more idiotic than they really are. We're better than this.

[Tirigon]

Hopefully BioWare sees this.

I didn´t need statistics (which I haven´t faked myself, therefore don´t believe, anyways) but I guess it´s good for whoever is responsible at BioWare to get this company back to its former glory.....

[Perles75]

Spuudle wrote...

Gisle Aune wrote...

I would disregard most of the user reviews as many are the same sihitty liitle subjective sentence stated as a fact copied to reach the limit. And many think there's close to nothing between 10 and 0.

Despite not being as good as Origins, it's not a bad game. I enjoy it r eally. But, I hope Bioware has learned from this.

This

I think so too.

Besides, the reasons why DA2 is not considered as good as its predecessor (I mean, for people who actually have a real opinion of the game, and not trolls) are very subjective too. For example I don't agree with most of the points of the first post

[Perles75]

Tirigon wrote...

Hopefully BioWare sees this.

.

Oh come on, do you think they don't know?? It's months that people are complaning about this game!
I'm sure they know very well the strong and the weak points of the product they built

[stuboy52]

most user reviews are only done by haters who complain about everything no matter what and anyway this post is false from the start with the statement statistics dont lie because they do as they are based on a tiny amount of opinions so it doesnt give a realistic image.

[Dubya75]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Point is, pretty much every game has haters...every game gets bad user reviews.

But User reviews on DA2 are far worse than the usual. SOMETHING was wrong, and simply attributing it to some "4chan raid" or "trolls" and ignoring it is folly.

I think you've touched on something here. Why aren't all games critised like DA2? 
Personally, I don't quite understand it because I love the game apart from a few problems but for even a small group of gamers to go to this extent or ranting and hating is strange. 
Perhaps it was Bioware's marketing or something. Who knows...

On the other hand, crappy games usually get forgotten very quickly. Perhaps fans are so desperate for DA2 to be awesome that it has resulted in this extreme kind of reaction because people were so disappointed with it.

Modifié par Dubya75, 18 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[Otterwarden]

Grovermancer wrote...

Wivvix wrote...


Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
Bring back party itemisation.
Bring back Dragon Age.

Bring back the hard, effortful, believable combat that looked like it came from actual human beings, (instead of the spastic, ADD, anime, console hack n slash, weightless-weapons, exploding-bodies everywhere, 'God of War' nonsense that is DA2's melee combat.)

Well said.

[Perles75]

Dubya75 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Point is, pretty much every game has haters...every game gets bad user reviews.

But User reviews on DA2 are far worse than the usual. SOMETHING was wrong, and simply attributing it to some "4chan raid" or "trolls" and ignoring it is folly.

I think you've touched on something here. Why aren't all games critised like DA2? 
Personally, I don't quite understand it because I love the game apart from a few problems but for even a small group of gamers to go to this extent or ranting and hating is strange. 
Perhaps it was Bioware's marketing or something. Who knows...

It's because of the expectations linked to the Bioware name, and because after an impressive series of excellent games people gloated to see one of their products which is not unanimously recognised as great.

[Dubya75]

Perles75 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Point is, pretty much every game has haters...every game gets bad user reviews.

But User reviews on DA2 are far worse than the usual. SOMETHING was wrong, and simply attributing it to some "4chan raid" or "trolls" and ignoring it is folly.

I think you've touched on something here. Why aren't all games critised like DA2? 
Personally, I don't quite understand it because I love the game apart from a few problems but for even a small group of gamers to go to this extent or ranting and hating is strange. 
Perhaps it was Bioware's marketing or something. Who knows...

It's because of the expectations linked to the Bioware name, and because after an impressive series of excellent games people gloated to see one of their products which is not unanimously recognised as great.

Yep. You ninja'd me there, I updated my post with pretty much the same! 

I'm more disappointed with people's disappointment than I am with the game.

Modifié par Dubya75, 18 mars 2011 - 02:13 .

[KAGORN FAERYSPLITTER]

Do you really think Bioware cares at all about what we have to say, considering what they've done with Dragon Age 2, after all we've said for YEARS ?

Bioware is now a corporate property of Electronic Arts Co., and they no longer make games - they make products. Corporate products are made according to a rigid body of corporate rules and calculations made on spreadsheets, and demonstrated with Powerpoint graphs on business meetings held by people with suits and ties - all of which has absolutely nothing to do with what we the players,. their customers, want or say.

Corporations don't repond to customer views or needs, corporations PUSH their own views and ways on customers in a carefully calculated and streamlined way.

[Giantdeathrobot]

What the hell does a company cares about trolls on Metacritic anyway? Or hell, even scores in general? Scores don't bring money. I am not saying it's uninportant, it is to an extent, but if you think people at Bioware/EA are losing sleep over the user reviews then you are wrong, especially when they are so full of ''**** sux'' 0-1 reviews.

[Otterwarden]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Point is, pretty much every game has haters...every game gets bad user reviews.

But User reviews on DA2 are far worse than the usual. SOMETHING was wrong, and simply attributing it to some "4chan raid" or "trolls" and ignoring it is folly.

Yes, and it is my guess that somewhere in the bowels of Bioware they are trying to figure out what portion of pre-order sales they will have to write off as dissatisfied customers who feel taken.  The company gambled that they could port their ME2 model onto this game and expand their market audience by removing the more frustrating statistical components in classical RPGs.  The watering down of these elements was predictably going to be met with criticism from fans of the genre, all that was uncertain was how strong the backlash would be.  From my outside vantage point it looks very damaging.  Will they gain enough new console players to sustain a "Dragon Effect 3" launch knowing full well that the classical PC RPG player will not trust them until they see a finished product?  Those will be the sort of questions being debated in the bunker.

The "these statistics are skewed" stuff debated here is useless.  To arrive at the answers above Bioware/EA will have to make some educated guesses on the final sales and do some primary market research.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 18 mars 2011 - 02:34 .

[4love]

Wivvix wrote...

Metacritic data averages as of 18/3/2011

Dragon Age Origins:
PC: Metascore 91, user score 8.3
Xbox360: Metascore 86, user score 7.5
PS3: Metascore 87, user score 7.6

Dragon Age 2:
PC: Metascore 83, user score 4.2
Xbox360: Metascore 80, user score 4.3
PS3: Metascore 82, user score 3.7

The community has spoken, and the results are plain for all to see. Critics broadly agree Dragon Age 2 was worse than Dragon Age Origins to a lesser extent. Users broadly agree Dragon Age 2 was considerably worse than Dragon Age Origins to a great extent.

The decisions made that navigated the development path from Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2, have led to poor performance of the franchise across all platforms and comparatively poor reception by industry and consumers alike.

Listen to what the community has told you here, Bioware. Overwhelmingly, the changes made in Dragon Age 2 were NOT for the better. The inference drawn can be (is) attributed to the statistical discrepancy between review scores for DAO and DA2. User reviews should be interpreted as a vague guide only, bearing in mind this sample might not accurately represent broader user reviews.

Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
Bring back party itemisation.
Bring back Dragon Age.

                         Metacritic Gamers votes:
DAO                                                           DA2
Positive:987<----im among them         Positive:615
Mixed:51                                                    Mixed:153
Negative:150                                             Negative:1,093 <-----im among them

Bioware lost  DAO fans but gain new fans

Modifié par 4love, 18 mars 2011 - 02:39 .

[Tirigon]

Perles75 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Hopefully BioWare sees this.

.

Oh come on, do you think they don't know?? It's months that people are complaning about this game!
I'm sure they know very well the strong and the weak points of the product they built

I hope you are wrong, because if you were right then that would mean BioWare f*ck up on purpose,,,,

[Otterwarden]

Tirigon wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Hopefully BioWare sees this.

.

Oh come on, do you think they don't know?? It's months that people are complaning about this game!
I'm sure they know very well the strong and the weak points of the product they built

I hope you are wrong, because if you were right then that would mean BioWare f*ck up on purpose,,,,

Unfortunately, I think it is obvious that they did do this on purpose.  They were fully cognizant of how the classical PC RPG audience responded to their ME1 to ME2 adaptations, and they have a long history of receiving critical feedback from this group.  The fact is Bioware is trying to expand the market for their game, and they are running into the challenge that there is a high barrier of entry in real RPG designed games because of the enormous time/mental effort a newbie player has to put into figuring out how to make things work correctly.  There are a multitude of decisions that must be handled well to effectively build a good character/team and a casual player gets frustrated.  The problem is that this micro-management stuff is EXACTLY what the classical RPG player feeds on:  heart and soul stuff.  How much can you take away before they revolt?  That seems to have been the question that has driven this development team. 

[MaglorArcanist]

4love wrote...

Wivvix wrote...

Metacritic data averages as of 18/3/2011

Dragon Age Origins:
PC: Metascore 91, user score 8.3
Xbox360: Metascore 86, user score 7.5
PS3: Metascore 87, user score 7.6

Dragon Age 2:
PC: Metascore 83, user score 4.2
Xbox360: Metascore 80, user score 4.3
PS3: Metascore 82, user score 3.7

The community has spoken, and the results are plain for all to see. Critics broadly agree Dragon Age 2 was worse than Dragon Age Origins to a lesser extent. Users broadly agree Dragon Age 2 was considerably worse than Dragon Age Origins to a great extent.

The decisions made that navigated the development path from Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2, have led to poor performance of the franchise across all platforms and comparatively poor reception by industry and consumers alike.

Listen to what the community has told you here, Bioware. Overwhelmingly, the changes made in Dragon Age 2 were NOT for the better. The inference drawn can be (is) attributed to the statistical discrepancy between review scores for DAO and DA2. User reviews should be interpreted as a vague guide only, bearing in mind this sample might not accurately represent broader user reviews.

Bring back fully scripted dialogue.
Bring back mature, developed, adult personalities.
Bring back diverse dungeons and not copy-pasted level design.
Bring back party itemisation.
Bring back Dragon Age.

                         Metacritic Gamers votes:
DAO                                                           DA2
Positive:987<----im among them         Positive:615
Mixed:51                                                    Mixed:153
Negative:150                                             Negative:1,093 <-----im among them

Bioware lost  DAO fans but gain new fans

Yes but remove the negatives in da3 and they have the positive in da3, ok they at the end lost customer.
And the negative review don't buy dlc or expansion.