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[Dasher1010]

I miss having a ton of weapon talents available to me. Sadly, there are only a few abilities in the dual weapon tree as opposed to seven ative ablities on DAO. It just felt so good to spam special attacks throughout the entire fight until I ran out of stamina.

[sevenplusone]

DW Rogues in DA:O were just auto attack kings, didn't even need skills.

[sevenplusone]

zz double post

Modifié par sevenplusone, 18 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[Dasher1010]

sevenplusone wrote...

DW Rogues in DA:O were just auto attack kings, didn't even need skills.

Yeah, but they also had flurry which my favorite attack in DAO.

[TeamLexana]

I miss old school passive backstabs to the face. So satisfying to see that animation while giggling like a madwoman. The acivated one in DA2 just doesn't compare.

[Kathila]

What? Flurry was stupid. It was actually a net LOSS of damage output, particularly once you had Momentum, because you'd stop autoattacking to execute your non-backstab regular melee hits. Plus, Dual Weapon Sweep or whatever it was called did just as much damage but executed faster and it was AOE. I think it even cost less stamina.

[TeamLexana]

Riposte was good since it would leave the enemy stunned and open for a backstab if you trained Coup De Grace. Flicker was a great one in Awakening.

[Relvor]

Hm, depends on playstyle i guess. I for myself prefer a lot of passive and sustained abilities so my stamina bar is most of the time locked at about 40%, which doesnt give me enough room to use more than 3 or 4 insta powers.

With backstab, twinfangs and explosive strike you have access to three talents in the dual tree. Take duelist and assassin as prestige classes (:innocent:) and you get   two more with Vendetta and Assassinate. Just pretend those cowardly rogue archer types couldnt use these skills.

Although more insta skills wouldnt really hurt I guess.

[TeamLexana]

DAO/A's backstab was passive. You didn't have to select backstab to do it. Just get your CC skills in order with your party and you'd be backstabbing enemies to the face left and right, over and over. Having to activate skills as the only real choice in attacking actually did take alot away from the backstabber.

[Adhin]

You can actually still perform DAO style backstabs in DA2, you just have to spec for it. And ultimately doing so is far more powerful in DA2 then it was in DAO. Here's 5 basic talents to show what I mean, sadly 3 are specializations.

Shadow: Predator - auto-crit when flanking <-- Thats literally DAO basic backstabbing right there.
Scoundrel: Blind Side - 120% dmg vs targets not attacking you <-- Basically bonus dmg regardless of flanking
Twist the Knife - Automatic crits vs stunned, sound familiar? <--- sound familiar? DAO had a talent for this.

Now to the part where it makes it far more powerful then DAO, besides just Blind Side.
Shadow: Pin Point - 25% critical strike dmg.
Assassin: Devious Harm - 1% crit dmg per cunning <--- this basically doubles your critical dmg from cunning

With 40 cunning (max to unlock anything), at base is 80% dmg on a crit. With this that would be 110%, with the Shadow that's 135% (x2.35). DAO was 50% and you could only up it via items. So, like I was saying you can still do it, you just have to spec for it. Doing so is ultimately more powerful then DAO variant.

Though DAO you could breeze through the game dual wielding with 'out' using backstabs, game could just be to easy at times. May not be the best comparison for that reason.

Modifié par Adhin, 18 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[Kathila]

Yes, but the difference is that ALL of your rogues could do that, not just Hawke, and in DA2 those talents apply to your specials also, unlike in DAO where you'd LOSE damage for using weak skills like Flurry instead of autoattacking because backstab didn't apply to those attacks.

[SlamminHams]

sevenplusone wrote...

DW Rogues in DA:O were just auto attack kings, didn't even need skills.

This.

The only useful skills were AoEs.  Flicker was cool for the wow factor, but not really that good compared to Dual Weapon Sweep and Whirlwind.  Low Blow was godawful since it took eight years to actually damage the enemy.

Pinpoint Strikes and Shadow Form on top of double Haste was hilarious.

And OMG, this just made me realize how much I hated the end of DA:A since the bug in the forest where you get captured deleted all my gear, which ate my Voice of Velvet and Rose Dagger. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Modifié par SlamminHams, 18 mars 2011 - 07:44 .