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[Medhia Nox]

NOT enchantment!

[Icinix]

You don't like the shiny?

[Darth Obvious]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

And yes, I agree that Sandal's performance is too much, not because he appears in DA 2 at all, but because his running gag is inflated too much.

I agree as well. It's been done, and it isn't funny anymore.

[PlumPaul93]

Sandal is a creep in this game, he looks like he'd watch you when your asleep and then slit your throat once you wake up, those eyes....

[KentGoldings]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Hmm I like the changes to him honestly. He's more important, and well...lets fact it, why leave him as the token retard to sell you things, I mean did anyone get a kick out of that, if so your more vile than me.

KentGoldings wrote...

Speaking as the father of two children on the Autism Spectrum. Sandal is Autistic. He was obviously abandoned by this biological parents as a child before being rescued by father. There is nothing really mysterious about him accept he seems to be able to use magic.

Partially right, but your kids aren't soothsayers, and kill armies of warriors now do they? In serriousness if they do, how much to borrow them for one day to crush my enemies?

Hell why Sandal's dad doesn't do that short of not knowing it is beyond me.

Who is to say what my children will achieve when they're older? Sandal lives in a realm of magic, fantasy and epic power. Who is to say he hasn't discovered something?

My daughter has the spacial reasoning and Mathematics skill of a child twice her age. But, she has trouble carrying on a complete converation. 

And, Sandal's dad... isn't the sharpest knife in the place where dwarves keep knifes.  

Modifié par KentGoldings, 18 mars 2011 - 02:49 .

[Boradam]

Sandal and Bodahn, they remind me of people I know.

Also, Enchantment.

[KenKenpachi]

KentGoldings wrote...

Who is to say what my children will achieve when they're older? Sandal lives in a realm of magic, fantasy and epic power. Who is to say he hasn't discovered something?

My daughter has the spacial reasoning and Mathematics skill of a child twice her age. But, she has trouble carrying on a complete converation. 

And, Sandal's dad... isn't the sharpest knife in the place where dwarves keep knifes.  

Serriously if your kids become unstopable weapons of war call me. lulz.  
 
But nah I understand that, its both a gift and a curse for them. Leaves them able to do great things, while struggling with others. I had a really bad issue with Dyslexia growing up. Not nearlly as bad as what your kids are going through however. But that doesn't make them special cases to be made fun of or shunned. In fact the skills they have if the problems can be overcome can make them very productive members of society, more so than 75% of "normal" people.

Yeah he seems pretty dull, or unwilling to face reality.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 18 mars 2011 - 02:57 .

[Clonedzero]

people really will complain about ANYTHING huh?

[Dangerfoot]

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

[Darth Obvious]

Dangerfoot wrote...

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

What was the problem with Yoda being a badass, exactly? Of all of the criticisms of the prequels (and there are MANY problems to criticize), this is one of the weakest I've ever read. Who cares?

[Dangerfoot]

Darth Obvious wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

What was the problem with Yoda being a badass, exactly? Of all of the criticisms of the prequels (and there are MANY problems to criticize), this is one of the weakest I've ever read. Who cares?

The whole point of Yoda was that he wasn't physically imposing. He wasn't hiding some untapped physical potential, we was a wise old teacher. He was there to teach Luke strength of spirit and to show him that the force is more than just physical badassery. There was absolutely no point in making him jump around like that except to make "a super duper cool CGI scene" which is basically all those 3 movies consist of. Poor, awful writing, and 2 hours of CGI toy commercials.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Suron wrote...

Someone (or several) needs to learn restraint at BioWare.

As if all the cameo's weren't over-the-top enough (just too many considering the time period/methods of travel/locations/etc)..you certainly took and ruined at least one character with them.

Sandal.  In DA:O it was rather humorous to end up in that room just before the Archdemon and see all those darkspawn lying about his feet while he's covered in blood and just spouts his coveted "enchantment!" line when you ask "wtf?"

But in DA2, because you apparantly can't do anything without running it into the ground...he now does this at least twice?

You know, bio, part of what makes an action or character unique is the infrequent times such a thing occurs.  So what do you do?  oh look I'm about to go fight the last boss...oh look there's sandal again...how..novel.

seriously, grats on taking the humor and "magic" out of the entire thing.  Now it's just cheap.

So because it happens twice in two games, they ruined the character... do we need to call the WAAAAmbulance? 

Seriously, this is just sad.

[Darth Obvious]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

What was the problem with Yoda being a badass, exactly? Of all of the criticisms of the prequels (and there are MANY problems to criticize), this is one of the weakest I've ever read. Who cares?

The whole point of Yoda was that he wasn't physically imposing. He wasn't hiding some untapped physical potential, we was a wise old teacher. He was there to teach Luke strength of spirit and to show him that the force is more than just physical badassery. There was absolutely no point in making him jump around like that except to make "a super duper cool CGI scene" which is basically all those 3 movies consist of. Poor, awful writing, and 2 hours of CGI toy commercials.

You're looking way too much into it. Yoda was frail and weak in eps V and VI because he was very old and near death. There is no reason to believe that he was like that before, and making him actually a badass with a lightsaber has no bearing whatsoever on whether it was good or bad writing. That's just what he was like before, period.

Now, failing to make Anakin a likeable character before he fell to the Dark Side, on the other hand, was bad writing. His fall at the end of ep III would have been far more tragic if the audience really liked him before that. Instead, he was always just an annoying brat, and no one felt sorry for him at all when he was all burnt and crispy. That's bad writing, as it is completely the opposite of the Anakin we were led to believe existed before he became Vader.

[KenKenpachi]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

What was the problem with Yoda being a badass, exactly? Of all of the criticisms of the prequels (and there are MANY problems to criticize), this is one of the weakest I've ever read. Who cares?

The whole point of Yoda was that he wasn't physically imposing. He wasn't hiding some untapped physical potential, we was a wise old teacher. He was there to teach Luke strength of spirit and to show him that the force is more than just physical badassery. There was absolutely no point in making him jump around like that except to make "a super duper cool CGI scene" which is basically all those 3 movies consist of. Poor, awful writing, and 2 hours of CGI toy commercials.

He was the Grand Master of the Jedi Order. I would think that makes him more than some crazy trainer.

[Brako Von Shepard]

Yeah Sandal's evolution in DA2 was very good. I'm more excited to see him in the next DA, than I would having Hawke and the Warden on the same team.

[Dangerfoot]

Darth Obvious wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

I didn't mind it too much, but if they turn this into a Yoda type of thing (where George Lucas made Yoda a skilled acrobatic fighter in the prequels because he's an idiot) then I'm going to be annoyed.

What was the problem with Yoda being a badass, exactly? Of all of the criticisms of the prequels (and there are MANY problems to criticize), this is one of the weakest I've ever read. Who cares?

The whole point of Yoda was that he wasn't physically imposing. He wasn't hiding some untapped physical potential, we was a wise old teacher. He was there to teach Luke strength of spirit and to show him that the force is more than just physical badassery. There was absolutely no point in making him jump around like that except to make "a super duper cool CGI scene" which is basically all those 3 movies consist of. Poor, awful writing, and 2 hours of CGI toy commercials.

You're looking way too much into it. Yoda was frail and weak in eps V and VI because he was very old and near death. There is no reason to believe that he was like that before, and making him actually a badass with a lightsaber has no bearing whatsoever on whether it was good or bad writing. That's just what he was like before, period.

It was a complete and utter retcon that missed the entire point of the character, but believe what you want I guess.

[Dangerfoot]

KenKenpachi wrote...

He was the Grand Master of the Jedi Order. I would think that makes him more than some crazy trainer.

Before the prequels, being a Jedi was about much more than lightsabers.

Did you notice how Luke doesn't use his lightsaber very much in the originals? Now watch the prequels, every damn scene has lightsabers.

Yoda was there to teach Luke there was more to the force, but Lucas forgot about that when he was rolling around in money.

[Parrk]

They do things like this (the hint of Sandal as demigod) to encourage us to have fun with it and enjoy a speculative dialogue. Most on these boards understand this and have participated.

The OP has absolutely got to be trolling. There is simply no way that one person could possess both the lack of cognitive ability required to not understand this and the self-righteous pomp to post a scolding whine-fest in response.

[Marta Rio]

Gabey5 wrote...

Cry me a river please. Games all have small world syndorme.. were you crying when you ran into Verner on Ilum? Or the other 20 minor characters Shepard just randomly comes across in the billions in teh galaxy? 

Heh, I actually kind of had a problem with this.  I mean christ how many side characters from ME1 show up on Ilium?  I'd have much preferred if these minor characters were the focus of sidequests in other locales, each of which were initiated by an email they sent to Shepard.

And as far as the "ruining Sandal" assertion by the OP: yeah, it's been done before, but I do appreciate a last chance to stock up on potions before the final showdown (it probably has something to do with my poor planning...).

[KenKenpachi]

Well in that case Lucas has always forgotten things for money, look at the Clone Wars TV show.

[Clonedzero]

well its not so much that its a retcon with yoda being all crazy with a lightsaber. it just goes against the entire symbolic usage of yoda being a small creature.

he's supposed to symbolize that theres more to the force than being a great and powerful warrior, that even a small creature can be powerful with the force and that maybe fighting isn't always the best solution to any given problem. when he's training luke he never once trains him to use his lightsaber, suggesting that its not as important.

making him fight defy s that entire point making his character pointless. i mean you can argue that its not a retcon because he was referenced as a great warrior or whatever but still.

[Darth Obvious]

Dangerfoot wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

He was the Grand Master of the Jedi Order. I would think that makes him more than some crazy trainer.

Before the prequels, being a Jedi was about much more than lightsabers.

Did you notice how Luke doesn't use his lightsaber very much in the originals? Now watch the prequels, every damn scene has lightsabers.

Yoda was there to teach Luke there was more to the force, but Lucas forgot about that when he was rolling around in money.

It wasn't a retcon at all, and you have provided no logical argument or evidence whatsoever to support such a bizarre theory. I've heard a great many complaints about the prequels (and made quite a few of them myself), but you are the only one I've ever heard complain about Yoda actually being able to fight. 

And by the way, Luke used his lightsaber a hell of a lot after he became a Jedi.

[Dangerfoot]

Clonedzero wrote...

well its not so much that its a retcon with yoda being all crazy with a lightsaber. it just goes against the entire symbolic usage of yoda being a small creature.

he's supposed to symbolize that theres more to the force than being a great and powerful warrior, that even a small creature can be powerful with the force and that maybe fighting isn't always the best solution to any given problem. when he's training luke he never once trains him to use his lightsaber, suggesting that its not as important.

making him fight defy s that entire point making his character pointless. i mean you can argue that its not a retcon because he was referenced as a great warrior or whatever but still.

Pretty much this.

And by the way, Luke used his lightsaber a hell of a lot after he became a Jedi.

I can count the number of times he uses it. He uses it pretty sparingly. I'm not sure Obi Wan or Anakin have such a managable number, even if you limited it to the prequels only. Hell, I bet Luke uses his less in all 3 movies than Obi Wan does in one of them.

[RagingCyclone]

I am reading this, and I have a feeling I might have a minority peerspective here. But I think Sandal, after playing DA2, is far more important to the DA universe than people realize. For starters, the boy is everywhere. And he has some talents that no one else posesses. I was running my thoughts with a group I belong to last night, and I have some theories as to what Sandal really is. I am actually looking forward to his story more than anyone's in DA3. But a few points:
1.He kills darkspawn better than anyone. And not just with enchantments.
2.He can handle a part of aan artifact that tears the veil and causes a house to become haunted. And yet he is unaffected by it. This same artifact has the tendency to drive people insane (Bertrand and Merideth) and yet he makes an enchantment rune that does not drive people crazy.
3.This one I might be wrong on, but I thought Bodain mentioned he found Sandal wandering in the Deep Roads alone.

I suspect there are several options for what Sandal actually is. Is he an OGB? Or perhaps the Maker watching events unfold. (I personally like this one) How better to see events transpire when you are perceived as a simpleton? My point is that I have a strong hunch there is more to Sandal than we realize. And I like the things they did with him in DA2 because I think he, along with Flemeth, are the keys to the whole DA universe and how events will play out in the overall franchise.
That's just my take on it, and you can take it or leave it at that.
Happy gaming.

[Puzzlewell]

Can I have some salamanders please?