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[Lithuasil]

PurebredCorn wrote...

I think it's one of the best parts of the game BingoParadox. Having companions with their own agendas is something I've wanted to see in an RPG for a long while. Isabela came back in my story but if she hadn't I wouldn't have thought less of the story. The Anders thing made me sick, but having things happen in a story that I didn't expect and that make me feel strongly tells me that the writing is very good.

Taking the safe route is predictable and boring and has been done a thousand times.

This, a thousand times over. Evoking such strong emotions in us just means that someone at bioware is evidently quite good at their job.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

BingoParadox wrote...

I mean, let's total it up:
There's a brother and sister killed by darkspawn...
A mother killed by an insane mage...
An uncle who stole mom's inhertance and left the family destitute...
A girlfriend willing to watch half a city burn before she owns up to what she's done...
Another potential girlfriend so wrapped up in a demon's BS she almost got her entire village killed...
A best friend who uses you to collect parts for a bomb (since it's pretty obvious he had no intention of getting rid of Justice/Vengeance/whatever), and then uses you as a distraction while he plants it...
And the war you just spent six years trying to do something about happening no matter what you do.
The overall story line is so depressing, I can't believe it. And nothing you do in the game can change a single bit of it.

My choice, after Anders plays terrorist and pushes the *WAR* button, would be to kill him and then turn to Aveline and say "You know what, I spoke with the Ferelden King the other day. He seems like an OK fellow. What do you say we hop a boat back home and leave these sick idiots to kill each other off as they are so obviously hell-bent on doing?"

Except you kill Aveline and drop her off the boat on the way. Because let's face it. She'll try to screw you over eventually.

[Medhia Nox]

I don't care that they had their own agendas - what I care about is that I could do nothing to stop them.

I supposedly knew these people for years - everyone, EVERYONE knew that Anders was a danger - I knew he was a freedom fighter, I knew where the underground railroad for mages was - and I could do nothing. I knew he was an abomination - I couldn't turn him in.

I could just sit back and watch him do his thing.

And Isabela - I KNEW she was running out of the building after the guy with the book - I KNEW she wouldn't come back. But - there we go.

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Seriously BingoParadox - I just want to go join the Qun or leave - not sit around and be "friends" with a bunch of degenerates.

If they had told me I was playing an ineffectual scumbag who caters to his psychotic friends - I would have at least purchased the game knowing what I was getting. ((Actually, I would have just purchased Shogun 2 - that's beside the point))

[Emzamination]

Worst? Anders is a hero and had every right to blow up the chantry.

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?

I hope we blow up Val Royeaux if theres an expansion

rage isn't even a strong enough emotion for what I feel for the chantry.

[vigna]

Emzamination wrote...

Worst? Anders is a hero and had every right to blow up the chantry.

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?

I hope we blow up Val Royeaux if theres an expansion

rage isn't even a strong enough emotion for what I feel for the chantry.

See, now you are just making stuff up.

[Taura-Tierno]

I thought that the companions' betrayals were largely the reason they felt more like real individuals. In Origins, the companions were more like mindless followers. Not that they were mindless, but ... they just kind of tagged along. I was shocked when Anders blew up the chantry, so even though I sided with the mages, I executed him because ... well, terrorist.

As for Isabela. I agree that what she did was awful, but she did come back. At least for me she did. And she didn't keep that book for all those years. She actually mentioned the relic the moment it surfaced again, so it's not as if she could've done anything about it once it was gone. Yeah, she lied, but telling the truth wouldn't have made the Qunari go away. Was it her fault that the Qunari were stranded in Kirkwall? In a sense, yes. But it wasn't her intention to strand them there, and she couldn't do anything to fix it once they were there. So in my opinion, since she did come through in the end, it (almost) redeemed her. She's no Anders who intentionally harmed anyone, at least.

I liked that the story was depressing. I mean. The story starts with the Blight, that's tragic enough. With all the refugees and wars going on, why should it be a jolly ride?

[Emzamination]

vigna wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Worst? Anders is a hero and had every right to blow up the chantry.

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?

I hope we blow up Val Royeaux if theres an expansion

rage isn't even a strong enough emotion for what I feel for the chantry.

See, now you are just making stuff up.

O rly?

[Lithuasil]

Emzamination wrote...

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?
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Is there any source for what actually happens inside the circle walls? Knowing that would somewhat help me with my DA fanfiction project, so any hints are appreciated

[vigna]

Lithuasil wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?
.

Is there any source for what actually happens inside the circle walls? Knowing that would somewhat help me with my DA fanfiction project, so any hints are appreciated

I think there are tentacles and large staffs involved.

[Emzamination]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Worst? Anders is a hero and had every right to blow up the chantry.

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?

I hope we blow up Val Royeaux if theres an expansion

rage isn't even a strong enough emotion for what I feel for the chantry.

Wait, they are being raped?

Yeah after you save that mage during the runaway apostate quest when you talk to him in the gallows afterwards he tells you a templar came into his quarters and told him not to tell anyone. 

[Danjaru]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Worst? Anders is a hero and had every right to blow up the chantry.

Can you imagine being made tranquill just because the knight commander doesn't like your face? 

All those mages were being beaten,raped and abused by templars and there aren't suppose to be any repercussions?

I hope we blow up Val Royeaux if theres an expansion

rage isn't even a strong enough emotion for what I feel for the chantry.

Wait, they were being raped?

Yes, there is a scene where a Templar strongly suggests that they were raping mages (dunno if I remember correctly but I think he was referring to Tranquil ones, but could be both).

[DrGulag]

Yeah after you save that mage during the runaway apostate quest when you talk to him in the gallows afterwards he tells you a templar came into his quarters and told him not to tell anyone.

So can you just clarify how murdering that chantry priest (and probably other people who were paying inside) who was trying to find a peaceful solution and help the people of Kirkwall is justified again?

Was the old woman torturing mages during night and helping people during day? Did I miss something lol?

Modifié par DrGulag, 18 mars 2011 - 07:37 .

[Lithuasil]

DrGulag wrote... 

Was the old woman raping and torturing women? Did I miss something lol?

You missed the part where a minimum of backbone from said old woman, on a single occasion, in six dam year, could've easily ended the whole misery.

[DrGulag]

So she deserved to die for being a priest and not taking sides?

[Emzamination]

DrGulag wrote...

Yeah after you save that mage during the runaway apostate quest when you talk to him in the gallows afterwards he tells you a templar came into his quarters and told him not to tell anyone.

So can you just clarify how murdering that chantry priest (and probably other people who were paying inside) who was trying to find a peaceful solution and help the people of Kirkwall is justified again?

Was the old woman raping and torturing women? Did I miss something lol?

Eye for an eye

For every mage that was made tranquill or killed a templar or priest must die.

[vigna]

Just because one person gets raped doesn't mean there are slave orgies in the circle tower run by pimping Knight Commanders. The mages were slaughtering innocents, mangling bodies, using weapons of mass destruction and generally being blood mages of evil.
Mages are not normal, they are also not normal prisoners...Anders proved that in awakening. mages are frightening people full of power. how do you control a mage that isn't willing to be controlled???

[Danjaru]

DrGulag wrote...

Yeah after you save that mage during the runaway apostate quest when you talk to him in the gallows afterwards he tells you a templar came into his quarters and told him not to tell anyone.

So can you just clarify how murdering that chantry priest (and probably other people who were paying inside) who was trying to find a peaceful solution and help the people of Kirkwall is justified again?

Was the old woman torturing mages during night and helping people during day? Did I miss something lol?

She was a better help to the mages dead than alive. So yeah, it's justified if her death could lead to the freedom of countless mages.

[DrGulag]

For every mage that was made tranquill or killed a templar or priest must die.

That's pretty much how I saw the mage mentality and why I put them out of commission in Kirkwall.

And you did too, because Bioware didn't give you the option to do otherwise lol.

So in the end we were on the same side, we both slaughtered the first enchanter

Modifié par DrGulag, 18 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[Emzamination]

vigna wrote...

Just because one person gets raped doesn't mean there are slave orgies in the circle tower run by pimping Knight Commanders. The mages were slaughtering innocents, mangling bodies, using weapons of mass destruction and generally being blood mages of evil.
Mages are not normal, they are also not normal prisoners...Anders proved that in awakening. mages are frightening people full of power. how do you control a mage that isn't willing to be controlled???

Some how I don't think the blooming rose got as much buisness as it should.

[errant_knight]

Emzamination wrote...

DrGulag wrote...

Yeah after you save that mage during the runaway apostate quest when you talk to him in the gallows afterwards he tells you a templar came into his quarters and told him not to tell anyone.

So can you just clarify how murdering that chantry priest (and probably other people who were paying inside) who was trying to find a peaceful solution and help the people of Kirkwall is justified again?

Was the old woman raping and torturing women? Did I miss something lol?

Eye for an eye

For every mage that was made tranquill or killed a templar or priest must die.

Yes, that always ends well.

[Lithuasil]

errant_knight wrote...

Yes, that always ends well.

No one said anything about ending well

[Emzamination]

DrGulag wrote...

For every mage that was made tranquill or killed a templar or priest must die.

That's pretty much how I saw the mage mentality and why I put them out of commission in Kirkwall.

And you did too, because Bioware didn't give you the option to do otherwise lol.

So in the end we were on the same side, we both slaughtered the first enchanter

I felt nothing killing him 

I just wanted to save the innocent mages :happy:

[DrGulag]

Yes, that always ends well.

It is kind of ironic that if you choose to ally with the mages you are forced to kill all of them.

I sided with the templars and was able to save atleast three members from the Circle.

Great options Bioware...

Modifié par DrGulag, 18 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[Emzamination]

errant_knight wrote...

Yes, that always ends well.

It will usher in an era of peace when the divine's head sits on a pike