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[conanthelibrarian63]

Anders kind of annoys me, but his healing and revival skills are absolutely essential for me.

There don't seem to be any other healer type mages.

Even if I play as a mage, I don't have his Aid ALlies and Regroup skill.

How do you guys play without Anders?  Just buy a bunch of potions?

[TeamLexana]

Mine survives just fine without him on hard. Better even cuz I have more dps, lol. If someone falls then I toss the revival bomb on them. Anders takes too much micromanaging for me, I don't like it. His AI is screwed, even set to range or told to "hold" he'll still charge a group of enemies and catch aggro.

[Loc'n'lol]

Find better ways to prevent the damage in the first place (more killing power, more crowd control, more damage reduction, better threat management, simply not being where the damage happens...), and potions are more than enough.

[shoggoth1890]

I'm considering doing away with him as well. Tactics and AI are screwy to say the least. Used to have him on "cautious" to make sure his focus was on healing and support, but then he stood next to me, getting hit with AoEs and arcing attacks(I tank). Apparently that tactic only makes him flee if directly targeted. I changed it to passive, to get him the hell away from me, but he still moves close and attacks randomly.

I have everyone set to attack Hawke's target, with higher priority on actions to handle the occasional aggro loss, but they still attack targets other than mine. Just now, for example, I had made sure that my target was locked on before combat in order to avoid the "hey, Hawke briefly glanced at that, so I'm going to attack that regardless of what else he looks at" flaw I've encountered. During the fight, I saw a darkspawn start running away. Curious, I followed him while remaining locked on the other darkspawn and sure enough, Anders was persistently pew pewing this guy that I had never targeted.

[mousestalker]

I made it through Act 2 without using a healer at all. It's just a matter of learning how to play without one. Watching old Benny Hill reruns is good practice for doing this, by the way.

[shoggoth1890]

Hah, I love the analogy. It's true though, kite enemies. Now I'm going to have that wacky Benny Hill music playing in my head each fight though.

[Wereparrot]

mousestalker wrote...

I made it through Act 2 without using a healer at all. It's just a matter of learning how to play without one. Watching old Benny Hill reruns is good practice for doing this, by the way.

How? Don't you have to take Anders with you to do his personal quest? I haven't done this yet, but I am resigned to using him in at least this, probably the fade quest aswell because I don't want to lose Merril to treachery (I hear she turns hostile). If I'm not careful I can see myself being mageless untill I get Bethany back, since I also understand that Anders betrays you aswell (I'm a glutton for spoilers).

[TeamLexana]

Oh man when Merril when hostile she one shotted my whole party. I'm not even kidding. She's deadly. I had to go again and this time I ohcrapohcrapohcrap backstabbed, assasinated her, lol.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I mostly used Varric, Aveline and Fenris (I was a 2H warrior) and we killed stuff faster than we could get hurt. Potions took care of the rest, and you can use the potion Mythal's Favour (I think it was called?) if you need to resurrect anyone. I always carried a couple of those for emergencies.

[naughty99]

I think Nightmare is almost impossible without Anders if you are playing a rogue or warrior.

Maybe it can work you spend a lot of gold on the revive potions, but I'd rather save up for the knockback immunity ring and a few tomes.

I rarely make it through any big battle without reviving at least 2 dead party members

Modifié par naughty99, 18 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[JoshieoPandar]

Prepare to stock up on pots, if you are.

[Fredvdp]

My mage Hawke is a spirit healer, but I guess that answer is a bit too obvious.

[termokanden]

It's possible without Anders for sure. But it's a bit sad that we're stuck with one healer. Even if you have Bethany, she isn't available for the whole game. So either you have to play a mage or bring Anders if you want healing. Well you can just use pots I suppose.

But even if you have another mage, Anders is actually the best healer simply because his cooldowns can be made lower.

[AsaTJ]

TeamLexana wrote...

Oh man when Merril when hostile she one shotted my whole party. I'm not even kidding. She's deadly. I had to go again and this time I ohcrapohcrapohcrap backstabbed, assasinated her, lol.

It's frustrating that even having her at 100% friendship and romanced doesn't prevent that from happening.

*I* can't survive nightmare without a healer, but that's mostly because I have a weird thing about wanting to avoid consumables as much as possible in RPGs (ie: Res bombs.)  But I guess some people can, so more power to them.

Modifié par AsaTJ, 18 mars 2011 - 02:12 .

[Wereparrot]

I thought that Merril would be dead in Kirkwall too, but no; seeing as Fenris and Aveline are still alive and they turned hostile too...

Was a bit hard in the fade though. Lucky the firestorm spell is so outrageous.

[Erunestaron]

there is a modification that you can skill heal on merril - to easy i suppose ^^

[AsaTJ]

Adding skill trees characters shouldn't have feels like cheating to me. To each their own, but I feel like if I did that I wouldn't be completing the challenge the designers put before me.

[FrozenDawn]

well the rock wraith is definately not possible without him on nightmare, as are all the bigger battles i suppose. Unless you want to use up a lot of potions and injury kits.

[termokanden]

I have the problem some of you seem to have as well. I like saving my potions for when they are absolutely necessary. But it seems you are meant to use potions often in this game. Potions will actually drop more frequently if you have very few of them. So the game will compensate for any potion addictions you might have without Anders.

[AsaTJ]

I don't mind chugging potions, the things that annoy me in RPGs are the "Does X for Y seconds" items. Like the elemental balms in Origins--I sold every single one I ever picked up. Same with poisons, grenades and traps. It just stresses me out the more finite resources I have to manage, so I opt to just ignore them 99% of the time even if it would make certain fights much easier.

Modifié par AsaTJ, 18 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[DA Trap Star]

On Nightmare? No
On any other mode, Yes

[elric331]

AsaTJ wrote...

I don't mind chugging potions, the things that annoy me in RPGs are the "Does X for Y seconds" items. Like the elemental balms in Origins--I sold every single one I ever picked up. Same with poisons, grenades and traps. It just stresses me out the more finite resources I have to manage, so I opt to just ignore them 99% of the time even if it would make certain fights much easier.

I DO EXACTLY THAT LOL.
And I thought i was strange for doing that. I hate having to keep track of the time limits on everything since whenever I switched back to that character, I'd have to apply it again and it annoyed me to no end.
I prefer just using a tank, healer, and me as dps with better crod controlling to make up for it. But I will absolutely refuse to use time limit potions. And even health pots I'd prefer to avoid.

[TG-Nalfen]

Even with potions; on nightmare, the cooldowns are too long to deal with the damage on the big fights. Add in CC imunity on certain enemies, ranged attacks that never miss and you can't really do them without a healer. Sucks because i personally hate Anders...

[EzFlyer]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...



Find better ways to prevent the damage in the first place (more killing power, more crowd control, more damage reduction, better threat management, simply not being where the damage happens...), and potions are more than enough.

rofl @ bison of course pic!

to the OP:  yea, i hate it, too.  was same issue in da1 really.  if you don't make your main a mage (i'm always a rogue), you're stuck w/very limited choices for healing.  especially in this one, tho, as merrill has NO heal tree.  bethany had one in act 1, but then she poofs.  it sucks.

[TcheQ]

I used anders as a battle mage.  his skills are pretty useless on nightmare