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[Scars Unseen]

lltoon wrote...

I'm more confused why Bioware didn't use their own concept art for the elf design. I mean they looked fine in the pics.

To be honest, they mostly do look like that.  The main issue is they went just a tad too far with the elongated necks.  Well that, and some of the heads are poorly modeled, Fenris and Merril aside.  I still prefer them overall to the ones in DA:O, where I didn't even realize Iona from the Human Noble origin was an elf until I used a mod that altered NPC appearances.

Modifié par Scars Unseen, 19 mars 2011 - 07:53 .

[Cauld]

It was an irritant to me, not so much for the way the redesigns actually look (Though I'm on board with those who think the "new" Darkspawn are pretty dodgy, elves too for that matter.), but more for the reason that for me, it damages the fidelity of the setting and world to even be having to talk in terms of "new" and "old" creatures when we're only two games into the series, which combined with the fact that my personal experience was of having two character I'd killed in Origins resurrect themselves in the game (Which other threads inform me isn't bug related but rather the result of my Warden not being canon enough for the writers) makes the lore, world and setting seem rather... Flaccid.

Modifié par Cauld, 19 mars 2011 - 07:54 .

[Sigma Tauri]

Deylar wrote...

Look, I'm old fashion.

I like sticking to mythology. And posted a few pictures of Real Elves.

Not this JRPG crap.

Say what you want about yourself and your feelings about the redesign.

It doesn't make you right that elves aren't technically humanoid.

You didn't post "real elves" either. You posted pictures of art that depicts your ideal elf (and some of those pictures are out-of-sync as bizarre as the real game). Seriously, this is a fictional race subject to creative whim. The same cliche-busting motivation that made elves as a slave race. So, don't confuse your bias with standard.

[Scottish TaZeR]

I'v said it once I'll say it again.... All Elf's look like the had the blue knocked out of them... It other words someone at BW saw Avatar and messed with the elfs...

[Big I]

The elves look like aliens, the darkspawn look comical, and why don't the qunari wear armor?

[LightningSamus]

I hate the new elf designs and the noses are so damn horrible, they should've left them alone.

[0x30A88]

Scottish TaZeR wrote...

I'v said it once I'll say it again.... All Elf's look like the had the blue knocked out of them... It other words someone at BW saw Avatar and messed with the elfs...

This, I also draw that conclusion from them calling themselves "the People". Still way better than many other games have done -- like two-foot long ears and enormous size. I don't let it ruin the game though, and it's not that bad.

Definition of the word -- in the langauge of the same name -- found by searching on Google.
Na’vi: ["naʔvi] -- prop.n. the People

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 19 mars 2011 - 10:21 .

[LightningSamus]

The Darkspawn in Origins were so much better and more scary, now they are just look like guys dressed up for halloween. Only seen Hurlocks and Ogre so fare but evn Ogre's face in DA II looks less scary.

I love the Qunari designs though, they are so much better.

[bEVEsthda]

Hate the redesign. Sequels and franchises should never be completely redesigned, IMO. They obviously should make women as well as the other races slightly more unique, in DA2, but they went over the top.
I hate the horned qunari, hate Flemeth's 'horned' hairdo, hate Fenreis. Someone on that design team need to be moved across the ocean and hired by Square Enix.

[Cobra5]

I already posted in this thread but guess I will again. My first post was short, didn't think this would be a huge discussion...

I like the new Qunari. A retcon was jarring but I love the new look. Suggestion: Give them more then one body type, and let them wear clothes/heavy armor. They look like clones of one-another.

Dwarves are the same, I don't believe them if they say they are changed. Suggestion: add females back in...

The elves... I like the new look, as I said. I think its a huge improvement. When it works. And I feel that, 90% of the game, it works.
Of course there are some ugly-ass elves... that elven "servant" you can get is ugly as hell (Oh god I still have nightmares)... and some of them, like Fenris for example, look like they have giraffe necks. *Some* of them, the eyes are too big, for the *most* part the big eyes were ok. The nose and the rest though, I love it. Also like the Welsh/Irish accents.

For humans: give us more haircuts

[Ajspeed]

I was confused by the Quanari change they now look like demons no complaints though mainly my bigger confusion is whats is with Merediths hair

[Sigma Tauri]

Gisle Aune wrote...

Scottish TaZeR wrote...

I'v said it once I'll say it again.... All Elf's look like the had the blue knocked out of them... It other words someone at BW saw Avatar and messed with the elfs...

This, I also draw that conclusion from them calling themselves "the People"

Definition of the word -- in the langauge of the same name -- found by searching on Google.
Na’vi: ["naʔvi] -- prop.n. the People

You don't seem to know how many ethnic groups throughout the world refer to themselves as "the People."

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 19 mars 2011 - 04:55 .

[wicked_being]

I kind of like the new Qunari design, exoticly scary. The elves though...ugh I mean Fenris looks nice but what did they do to the other elves? Merrill reminds me too much of Tinkerbell especially with that hideous undergarments.

[Morning808]

I like how the elfs look but their bodys need redesigning since Merrill's neck looks like it is broken when you bed her. I love how the qun look now and everyone else just looks the same

[tmp7704]

Scars Unseen wrote...

Once again, I'm not talking about how the elves could be used in some hypothetical othe story.  I'm talkng about how they were used in Dragon Age 2.  The story would not have been made any richer by making the elves look like humans with slightly different heads.  The game is made visually richer by making them something other than simply humans with slightly different looking heads, even if you don't like the particular flavor. 

You're free to think a story isn't made any richer by having extra layers of potential interpretation to it, but we'll simply have to disagree on this.

[Curlain]

Jackumzz wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Now to the redesign that actually annoys me: the elves. What was wrong with the elves looking like regular humans who happen to have pointy ears? They looked fine in Origins and didn't really need this overhaul we got in Dragon Age II. Now they look like rodents!!! Every time I interact with an elf I think "look at mouse person". Please change them back for Dragon Age III. They're just weird and ugly-looking now.

This, this, and this.

That and the darkspawn re-design, I disliked. The rest is fine, but again, I really don't like the re-design for the elves. They looked perfectly fine in Origins, now they're all "rodent-like". Change them back for DAIII, please.

Fully agreed, Fenris and Merrill were the only ones I thought looked ok (and I thought Merrill looked far better in Origins), the rest I strongly disliked (and made me glad we are ristricted to only a human character in DA2).

I also don't see in DA2 how so many humans find elves beautiful (which the DA lore in Origins told us they do), where as I could see it in Origins.  As they looked in Origins I could understand what Maric found so compelling about female elves in The Stolen Throne and The Calling, but with DA2 elves, I wonder what he was smoking

[graavigala85]

tmp7704 wrote...

graavigala85 wrote...

 I liked how elves looked in DA2, they need to look different!

Yeah they look different alright.



...err. well

well different compared tot he first ones "humans with pointy ears" 

[PickledGear]

Reskinning Hurlocks actually make them pretty frightening .

[Ronin2006]

I dislike the elves and and not because they don't look like people anymore. I dislike it because they look like they belong in Avatar. I like unique art design but just because it's unique and they don't look like people doesn't mean I like it anyway.

If you dressed them up like turd sandwiches they would be unique, but they certainly wouldn't be good either.

[Blastback]

Most of the redesigns grew on me. The elves however, are still just really bad in my opinion. Really bad.

I also didn't care for Alistair's redesign. He doesn't look right.

[Magicman10893]

Micro_Chip wrote...

The Dwarves don't look any diffrent to me.

The Elves are 50/50. Some look great and some ar a but meh. Overall though I quite like the new design.

The new Darkspawn are awful if you ask me.

And the the Qunari are so damn bad-ass now! Love the new look.

Not sure if this is part of the real design change or just something I noticed from the small handfull of Dwarves you actually get to talk to up close, but their heads seem larger overall, their faces seem bigger, their foreheads seem more sunk into their skulls, and their chins and jawlines seem much longer and fuller. The larger chin can be harder to notice because of the beards, but with Varric you can see his chin is longer, wider and his jawline is very filled out.

I am fine with the "Navi look" but the fact that they look so small and frail is what I don't like. In Origins they looked like slender humans with odd shaped ears and slightly smaller than the adult human, now they look like taller ten year olds. They are so thin and frail looking that I can't take Fenris seriously. His swords look like they weigh more than him and I am suppose to believe he can swing them around effectively? I understand that Elves are supposed to the agile and dextrious race and not the strong ones, but this is just too far. The ears are an improvement now.

The Darkspawn are indeed awful. They went from intimidating Orcish monsters to funny looking things that flail when they run. Also, what is with the lack of Genlocks and Shrieks? I like how Anders mentions Ser Pounce-A-Lot scratching a Genlock's nose, and then to completely ignore the existance of Genlocks. Sure, the beginning could lack Genlocks due to them not being intimidating in the least, but once Varric's done exaggerating they could put them back in. And the Ogre's look completely stupid now. I've seen more intimidating creatures in children's cartoons from America.

Agreed. The Qunari are badass now. Before they were just tall people, now their appearance reflects their barbaric and violent nature.

[Mox Ruuga]

Curlain wrote...

Fully agreed, Fenris and Merrill were the only ones I thought looked ok (and I thought Merrill looked far better in Origins), the rest I strongly disliked (and made me glad we are ristricted to only a human character in DA2).

I also don't see in DA2 how so many humans find elves beautiful (which the DA lore in Origins told us they do), where as I could see it in Origins.  As they looked in Origins I could understand what Maric found so compelling about female elves in The Stolen Throne and The Calling, but with DA2 elves, I wonder what he was smoking

I've come to the conclusion that the art team doesn't give a flying **** about the lore. They go by the "rule of cool", and unfortunately whoever designed the new darkspawn and elves has terrible taste.

And yes, I kinda question Maric's taste now. One shudders to think what Katriel and Fiona actually looked like...

[osmiumskin]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

It's funny that the thing that bugged me the most, namely the redesign of the Qunari is the thing that I got used to the quickest. Sure the Qunari having horns is a retcon, but it's one I can accept.

The dwarves were redesigned? Really?!! They look about the same to me. The only difference I've noticed is that apparently Kirkwall has no female dwarves whatsoever.

Now to the redesign that actually annoys me: the elves. What was wrong with the elves looking like regular humans who happen to have pointy ears? They looked fine in Origins and didn't really need this overhaul we got in Dragon Age II. Now they look like rodents!!! Every time I interact with an elf I think "look at mouse person". Please change them back for Dragon Age III. They're just weird and ugly-looking now.

--Sincerely,

The Teryn of Whatever

the elves very much resemble the alien race featured in the film Avatar.

[Snowbug]

Scars Unseen wrote...
There is no reason to include elves at all, if you are going to make no effort to differentiate them from humans.

I agree, but I do not think the significant differences need to be in the appearance. In my opinion it's more interesting if they do not look all that different from humans but are more "alien" in their way of thinking. Of course this makes it difficult to make them playable race.