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[teeru]

 So, I've been trying to romance Fenris, I'm a mage and everytime I'm nice to him her gets annoyed and pissed and stops talking to me. Even when I was nice to him, I got 20 points for rivalry - so then i heard I can romance him if he's full on rivalry but I'm wondering, what's the difference between romancing him on friendship and romancing him on rivalry? Because If It's gonna end horribly like with Anders and the betraying thing I'd like to know in advance If I should give up now.

Thanks!

[nos_astra]

Friendship means you agree with him that mages are dangerous and must be kept under control
Rivalry means you challenge his views and oppose him, trying to show him that mages can be trusted.

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[teeru]

Oh I've gathered that, I mean would it end differently? I've been told friendship romance is more emotional or something while rivalry is all action.

[Anarya]

I'm not entirely sure. I've done Anders' friend romance and am getting towards the end of Fen's rival romance and I can tell you that it doesn't end up as painfully as Anders' romances for sure. But I'm not sure exactly what the differences are between Fenris' different tracks.

I believe both Anders and Fenris' romances end in pretty much the same way regardless of whether you're friend or rival. I think it's mostly a difference in tone and dialogue.

Modifié par Anarya, 18 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[nos_astra]

nvm

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mars 2011 - 08:42 .

[UltiPup]

Friend Fenris is more calm and collected. He lets go of his path more easily.

Rival Fenris is aggresive and angry. He still cannot forget what has happened to him.

I'm going to be a Mage AND his friend. That sounds like a bunch of fun.

[NugWrangler]

From what I can see a friendship romance is a bit more sweet and loving, rivalry romance is a bit more fiery and passionate. They aren't huge differences, he just has more of an attitude with a rival even if he's in love with him/her.

Whatever you do make sure you max out either friendship or rivalry. This will ensure that you have his loyalty no matter what at the end of the game.

[Goldens]

klarabella wrote...
If you have Fenris and Anders both at 100% friendship this basically means your character is deceiving one of them.

Or maybe not.  My pro-mage girl was diplomatic and pro-freedom with Fenris for his quests, but left him home the rest of the time, and had a nearly 100% friendship at the end.  I don't remember lying; I just didn't take him out to play.

[Malja]

klarabella wrote...

If you have Fenris and Anders both at 100% friendship this basically means your character is deceiving one of them.

Actually not really. I was certain I was going to have Anders at 100% rivalry by the time I got to the end of the game since I was protemplar. Merely by not being a ****** to him I somehow found myself at 100% friendship.

[MG800]

teeru wrote...
If you have Fenris and Anders both at 100% friendship this basically means your character is deceiving one of them.

Nah, he knew about my Hawke's opinions(romancing a blood mage and befriending abomination should be a hint anyway), and he didn't always remain in home when I suspected things to get ugly and yet my trying-to-be-neutral Hawke ended up being his friend. But that may be due to his natural charm 

Modifié par MG800, 18 mars 2011 - 08:15 .

[Selidor]

I've only romanced him under the rivalry path, but I have him on 100% friendship in my second playthrough and I've generally found that while it doesn't have any impact on what ultimately happens, the way he responds to Hawke is quite different and I imagine the same difference is present between the two romance paths. Rival Fenris is more bitter and tends to get angry at Hawke very easily, while friend Fenris is more subdued and agreeable. There is one point in the game where he gets angry at Hawke whether friend or rival (Bitter Pill quest) but he does apologise afterwards.

Ultimately as long as you cultivate the relationship in one way or the other, he sticks by you whether you pick rivalry or friendship, since Hawke helps him out in a lot of ways and earns his loyalty.

[Thrennion]

I romanced him on the friendship path as a mage. I thought his scenes were very sweet. I also had Anders at 100% friendship at the end, simply by being pro-sane-mage, anti-blood-mage. Fenris is capable of seeing the difference, even if he does grouse about me being a softie.

[Victia]

Malja wrote...

klarabella wrote...

If you have Fenris and Anders both at 100% friendship this basically means your character is deceiving one of them.

Actually not really. I was certain I was going to have Anders at 100% rivalry by the time I got to the end of the game since I was protemplar. Merely by not being a ****** to him I somehow found myself at 100% friendship.

Yes me too! Its actually suprisingly easy to get everyone to 100% friendship without being 2 faced about it!

[ejoslin]

I have done both the rival and friendship romances, and they are both very good. He is much sweeter in a friendship romance (it's not comparable), both are passionate, but you know, it is FUN being able to pick the mean options and get into the fights as well.

The way he interacts with the other companions doesn't change so I don't think his views towards Hawke change him so much as Hawke just brings out different things in him when they're together. But there's just something great about, "I hate you!" "I hate you!" kiss "Dammit, I can't live without you!"

Fun stuff. But if you want the sweet squee, go for friendship romance.

[Sarah1281]

Goldens wrote...

klarabella wrote...
If you have Fenris and Anders both at 100% friendship this basically means your character is deceiving one of them.

Or maybe not.  My pro-mage girl was diplomatic and pro-freedom with Fenris for his quests, but left him home the rest of the time, and had a nearly 100% friendship at the end.  I don't remember lying; I just didn't take him out to play.

You may not be literally lying to him but don't you think the fact that he's never there when you do things that he disagrees with and thus doesn't gain rivalry points for every saved mage kind of count as cheating? I think there's something at least mildly dishonest in making sure to keep party members away from quests you'll gain rivalry for.  If party members actually responded to the weight of all your actions and not just the ones he was there for, would Anders and Fenris still be 100% friend? 

[sami jo]

I actually had Anders and Fenris in my party virtually the entire time and had both pegged at 100% friendship. My Hawke took a strong anti-blood mage stand and they both approve strongly of that. I refused to give Merill the blade after her quest as the keeper requested and earned almost as many friend points from the two of them as I did rival points from her. The hits in friendship with for helping mages ended up having very little impact, especially after the last piece of his personal quest.

[panamakira]

I don't think there are any differences in any of the romances to be honest. Rival-mancing Fenris is just to argue that not all mages are like the ones he's met in Tevinter.

I love rival-mancing though. There's way more passion involved and that's win for me.

[tigrina]

A good thing to realise is that he will respond differently on the same player options whether he is on the rivalry path or on the friends path, so you might want to give the preferred one a little boost before you go talk to him.

As for 'cheating' with rivalry/friends points, when they are at 100% they get locked in that, so I can't really see it as cheating.

I'm still not sure whether he changes his view on magic in general though, in the rivalry version. I guess not.