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Anders. Better for the story to kill or not?


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#26
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The best option would be slapping him several times, then kneeing him in the balls and proceeding to kick him in the kidneys several times when he's down. Then, murder knife.

Because God damn it, Anders.

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Raiil

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I let him live, and I hope he has a chance to atone for his sins in DA3.

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The only reason I let him live is because I need him during the final battle as a healer. If the game let me, I'll kill him after the battle. My fem-mage Hawke sided with mages and was romancing Anders, even so, what he did is unforgivable. He has no right to blow up a church regardless of the reason.

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I want to destroy more chantries with him as my lover, in the next DA3. <3

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Anders destroyed the last chance of reasson. Thus, he's dead in my playtrough.

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I let him live AND went off to live merrily as a fugitive.

I always enjoyed a good insane romp, and I never did get to know Justice very well. <insert naughty threesome joke here> ;)

Admittedly my rogue was a bit of a smart ass, and while she gave Anders a good tongue lashing for blackmailing her she decided to stick with him: One part love is blind, one part knowing they were a decent team to get out of Kirkwall together, and one part letting him hopefully redeem himself until they can perhaps separate Justice from Anders ( no doubt in the Way Of Tears, as is Bioware's style) . They both had their agenda and their lust. It worked out ok .... we will see what DA3 holds. I personally hope to see a bit more of the *old* Anders honestly... One can hope. :) But would they resurrect him *again*? *ponders*

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shantisands wrote...

I let him live AND went off to live merrily as a fugitive.


I did that too.

I can't kill him. I tried once, and just reloaded. Although I also have a feeling dead or not, Anders is far from gone.

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If given the option, I would've done the exact same thing as Anders. It was pretty clear that non-violent means wouldn't make it better for the mages. And the oppression was leading them to blood magic which ultimately lead to the people suffering. A few dead priests is a small price for the freedom of a whole people that originally did nothing wrong but being born that way.

And even though Anders is whiny, at least in the end he wasn't all "Fix my problems" type of whiny. He took matters into his own hands.

And remember how you're going around killing everyone that dares wrong you? Now someone does it and it's out of your control he's got to die.

Modifié par Danjaru, 18 mars 2011 - 07:28 .


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Danjaru, it is not that simple. Anders made the chance for a somewhat peaceful end non-existant.

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In my first playthrough as a mage I sided with the templars and killed Anders. In my second one as a rogue I am siding with the mages and let him live. I don't think it really matters what you do anyway. I highly doubt that decisions impact future stories much. It's merely cosmetic. At best he'll get a cameo in DA3.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 18 mars 2011 - 07:36 .


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Danjaru

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Gisle Aune wrote...

Danjaru, it is not that simple. Anders made the chance for a somewhat peaceful end non-existant.


Exactly.. I would rather have a war than it ending with Mages being just as oppressed.. Being made Tranquil left and right, being raped, locked up, turning to desperate measures and ruining others lives as well. They were little more than slaves, and when peaceful revolution is made impossible, a violent one is inevitable (wise words from Kennedy)

I don't know what people are more butthurt about. The fact that it happened or the fact that it was out of your hands.

Modifié par Danjaru, 18 mars 2011 - 07:38 .


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Peace was an illusion.

Letting him live so that he may deliver Justice the proper way, and atone. Martyrdom = no in my book. Look how many fanatics Andraste created.

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He died in my first playthrough.

I think i'm gonna kill him on this playthrough too lol

No desire to let him live at all :)

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I let him live the first time around - I liked that he acted with intent and awareness of the people he'd kill and the war he'd start (unlike other companions and their "Whoops, I started a bloodbath!" actions), and I think it made sense for the escalating aggression of the character.

The game I'm playing now I'm planning to kill him, but I think my preferred story will be #1 where he lives. Plus, given that we know that Justice can inhabit a corpse, I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up in expansions/sequels and I'd rather have it be something I actively choose than not.

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I let him live. I don't condone what he did, but I don't think he's fully responsible, either. I too am for exorcising him if it's possible down the road. I suppose we'll see. Also...as uncomfortable as this topic is, I understand why he did it. The mages in Kirkwall really are treated abominably. Anders watched his friend and former lover turned tranquil. He witnessed other templars turning other mages tranquil for the purposes of raping them. And while it's true we tend to see the worst of both sides, I still have a problem with keeping the mages in the conditions at the Gallows. Should he have blown up the Chantry to free them? No. But he did. The only thing you can do now is move forward and try to fix some of the damage.

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There is no "better for the story", its just a choice you have to make one way or the other. Do what you think your Hawke would do, its why this is a role playing game.

Also I have contacted the Federal Bureau of Overreaction and they will be here shortly to take care of all the "Well they'll bring him back anyway if they want him" replies. They did that once with Leliana and one Bioware writer made the mistake of coming onto the forum and defending the action with some unfortunate turns of phrase. I highly doubt they enjoy retcons and I don't think we'll see another, especially with someone like Anders who - live or die - has fufilled their main role in the Dragon Age universe.

Modifié par Noatz, 18 mars 2011 - 08:06 .


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Danjaru wrote...

Gisle Aune wrote...

Danjaru, it is not that simple. Anders made the chance for a somewhat peaceful end non-existant.


Exactly.. I would rather have a war than it ending with Mages being just as oppressed.. Being made Tranquil left and right, being raped, locked up, turning to desperate measures and ruining others lives as well. They were little more than slaves, and when peaceful revolution is made impossible, a violent one is inevitable (wise words from Kennedy)

I don't know what people are more butthurt about. The fact that it happened or the fact that it was out of your hands.


The mages are killing innocents and creating chaos, there is now no order and blood mages and abominations are running rampant at the same time, and the templars are trying to exterminate all of the mages, during this thousands maybe even millions of innocents will die. 

This is better than the uneasy peace of before? no matter who wins both sides lose and the mages were never capable of governing themselves in the first place. 

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CRISIS1717 wrote...

Do you really want to hear him whining at how oppressed he is all the time in DA3?

You know what needs to be done OP.


Do what must be done lord anders

Do not hesitate...

Show no mercy... <_<

#44
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When Anders blew up the Chantry Hawke's claim to the title was abandoned, he is now known as the new champion of Kirkwall. Hawke retired and occasionally joins Anders party.

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Spoilers

While finally killing him was satisfying from a therapeutic standpoint... I found the actual scene wasn't done very well.

In my first playthrough I was a MaleHawke 2h Warrior, and when I decided to kill Anders--who by the way was conveniently in a position to be beheaded--rather than unsheath my massive sword and do the deed... I pull out some puny dagger and stab him in the back? I mean, honestly... that was rather disappointing. I wanted to see his head roll.

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I have a female rogue Hawke who romanced him, for the story and for her character I couldn't have her kill him (though if he was anyone else she wouldn't have hesistated to do so) but she didn't want him in her sight so she told him to leave and never return.

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Willis Macvalin wrote...

 I'm a Mage and enjoying being a good guy. I wanted to make the best story to import into DA3 (unless they don't but that's unlikely).
I've gotten to part where Anders basically becomes a terrorist and kills the people in the chantry and you've got the chance to kill him. Sebastion threatens to leave if he doesn't die but Anders is just trying to protect the mages.
What should I do and which option will make the better story??


Personally, I let him live. He wanted to put an end to slavery and attacked an institution that's been involved in the oppression and slavery of mages for a thousand years. How many more centuries of rape, torture, tranquility, and death should mages have had to endure before someone decided that enough was enough? That's the reason I spared him as an apostate Hawke, descended from Parlathan. You should follow what you think is best, though. You should do what fits for the Hawke you've made.

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Spirits should stay in the Fade and leave the business of humanity to humans I would say. Anders was more happy-nuts than dangerous-crazy before Justice. Yes, I guess I mostly blame Justice. And Anders for trying to help his "friend" too, but yes, Justice. Bat-!@# crazy in Awakenings couldn't have been expected to go much different inside an already powerful mage.... Anders, you are a moron.

On topic: I think killing Anders makes for a more "logical" ending to such a crime but.... I didn't go that route. It just wasn't what my character would have done. Do what makes sense to your character would be my advice. Being happy with your ending is not the same thing as thinking you made the "best" decision sometimes :)

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Anders is a dick and probably deserves to die, but killing him also doesn't really solve any problems. If anything he could become useful in the future.

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I am not sure that he will have any significant role in the future. So I think him dead offers a better story. Because his name, for good or ill, will be remembered. Either as a crazed lunatic, or a martyr. A source of dread or of inspiration.

That said, him alive will probably mean him losing control to Vengeance more and more. And perhaps becoming even more extremist than he is now. Which could be interesting.

But I doubt he'll have that much effect. His role was to be the catalyst. So I'd say dead, because his name will most likely live on.