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[Harcken]

Leaving him alive would probably be best for a future import, more content and all. Probabl'y won't be much (like Zevran and Leliana), but killing him would make you miss out on a two minute cameo.

[theradicalpunk]

durasteel wrote...

I am starting to think that it doesn't much matter, for the simple reason that the Dragon Age team doesn't seem to be able to get their crap together with regard to importing game saves.

I killed the damn architect, but rumor has it he's still alive and well and being weird in the deep roads somewhere. I hardened Leliana against the chantry and made the unf unf unf with her, and my Warden Commander returned to his red headed bard after Awakening, but here she's a religious fruitcake again and I'm getting the "many years ago" line instead of "very dear to me."

Until and unless the saves carry over correctly, our choices in one game can't be relied upon to make any difference whatsoever in sequels.

That's pretty ****** poor. Sorry you went through all that and didn't have it show.

Time to file a complaint. Then again I can over look such things.

[quantumraider]

If I could I'd kill him to get the deep roads maps ... unfortunately that isn't an option.

I try to ignore him as much as possible, but even then he goes and blows up the chantry :/

[InfiniteAvenger]

PurebredCorn wrote...

I don't know about the story but I killed Anders and I don't feel one bit guilty for it. My character was even romancing him and ... gah! I still get a little peeved every time I think about that stunt he pulled.

Anders is basically an abomination in the early stages.  A failed attempt to save his friend, Justice, who merged with Anders and tainted by Anders' desire for Vengeance.  The whole game he is foreshadowing with his actions and dialog.  We saw this 2-3 other times in both DA:A and DA2 prior to the Ending.(depending on if you have the DLCs or not)

The DLCs do give a lot of additional information that helps kick the guilt over killing Anders.  To kill Anders is to put them both out of their misery.  Justice was never supposed to leave the Fade to begin with and everything after that was foreshadowing this erratic behavior.

-IA

[Fast Jimmy]

^
Agreed. Everything seems to indicate you aren't doing Anders or Justice any favors by NOT killing him.

I killed Anders on my two playthroughs (although I did see his dialogue if he survived on YouTube) and I doubt sparing him will play any role in DA3, given how shallow killing/sparing characters in DA:O made a difference in DA2.

So, while it might have next to effect on the story or it's purpose, it's still something that I think is the best thing to do.

[Plaintiff]

I let Anders live every time. He was completely right to do what he did. The Chantry absolutely deserves to be scourged off the face of Thedas with fire. My only regret is that Sebastian wasn't inside it at the time.

[TheJediSaint]

Plaintiff wrote...

I let Anders live every time. He was completely right to do what he did. The Chantry absolutely deserves to be scourged off the face of Thedas with fire. My only regret is that Sebastian wasn't inside it at the time.

I agree completely!  Only with the complete reverse of what you just said!

[Auintus]

Depends on your character:
I had one Hawke that killed him for stirring up chaos, one that spared him for being a tactical mastermind(that explosion got EXACTLY what he wanted), and one that spared him, on rivalry, because he tried to do a good thing, but lost to Justice. The romance bit earned him some points too.

[Ryzaki]

I feel it's better to kill him. He gets the war he wanted and to become a symbol. That and his crazy self isn't running around to do anymore damage.

[Renmiri1]

Anders/ Justice planned the bombing and his suicide / sacrifice right after, to not have to deal with the aftermath. Killing him is giving him the easy way out.

Most of my Hawkes let him live. In my case because 99.99% of my Hawkes romance him. But even if you hate his guts, you should let him go at first.

If you despise him let him go at Lowtown. Anders will come back to stop you at the Gallows and you will have to battle him and he makes it quite clear you broke his heart. You can kill him and destroy his spirit at the same time, how is that for revenge ?

If you like Anders, even if you are feeling hurt and betrayed, is best to let him live and make him atone for what he did. Don't let Justice's plan work. It wants to get rid of Anders and sow chaos. Hawke and Anders can join forces to make sure Justice's acts do not mean the massacre of all mages and good templars.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[sylvanaerie]

Meh, I kill him every time. The one time I did let him go, it was to see Sebastian's hissy fit and since that character was one of the 2 I had side with Templars, he came back all preachy in the gallows where I killed him again. The "you broke my heart" convo must only happen if you romanced him because he said nothing to that effect (even paraphrased) to my Hawke, instead talking about how Hawke was Knight Commander Crazy's stooge.

Far less satisfying than murder knifing him in Lowtown, so I've never repeated that, but I've only sided twice with Templars in my games out of curiousity/completionism, so not likely to ever see it again.

Most of my characters kill him out of pity.  He's too far gone that they can see at that point, out of control and he is just going to hurt more people.  I've only had one who actively really hated him, a warrior Hawke who saw Anders as everything his father warned Bethany about.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 08 septembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[FieryDove]

Plaintiff wrote...

I let Anders live every time. He was completely right to do what he did. The Chantry absolutely deserves to be scourged off the face of Thedas with fire. My only regret is that Sebastian wasn't inside it at the time.

I agree with this.

[Heimdall]

My Hawke saw it as a mercy killing.

[Giggles_Manically]

Depends.

I still dont see how getting knifed and left to rot in an alley way makes one a symbol.

[Ryzaki]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Anders/ Justice planned the bombing and his suicide / sacrifice right after, to not have to deal with the aftermath. Killing him is giving him the easy way out.

Most of my Hawkes let him live. In my case because 99.99% of my Hawkes romance him. But even if you hate his guts, you should let him go at first.

If you despise him let him go at Lowtown. Anders will come back to stop you at the Gallows and you will have to battle him and he makes it quite clear you broke his heart. You can kill him and destroy his spirit at the same time, how is that for revenge ?

If you like Anders, even if you are feeling hurt and betrayed, is best to let him live and make him atone for what he did. Don't let Justice's plan work. It wants to get rid of Anders and sow chaos. Hawke and Anders can join forces to make sure Justice's acts do not mean the massacre of all mages and good templars.

If anything even my Hawkes that like Anders (Rivalry) kill him. He's a puppet in his own body. Why let him continue living such a horrible existence? Better to mercy kill than let that demon countinue to use his body against his consent.

As for breaking his heart...only thing he says is "I loved you." I found the stab in back romance lines much more poignant.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Ryzaki wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Anders/ Justice planned the bombing and his suicide / sacrifice right after, to not have to deal with the aftermath. Killing him is giving him the easy way out.

Most of my Hawkes let him live. In my case because 99.99% of my Hawkes romance him. But even if you hate his guts, you should let him go at first.

If you despise him let him go at Lowtown. Anders will come back to stop you at the Gallows and you will have to battle him and he makes it quite clear you broke his heart. You can kill him and destroy his spirit at the same time, how is that for revenge ?

If you like Anders, even if you are feeling hurt and betrayed, is best to let him live and make him atone for what he did. Don't let Justice's plan work. It wants to get rid of Anders and sow chaos. Hawke and Anders can join forces to make sure Justice's acts do not mean the massacre of all mages and good templars.

If anything even my Hawkes that like Anders (Rivalry) kill him. He's a puppet in his own body. Why let him continue living such a horrible existence? Better to mercy kill than let that demon countinue to use his body against his consent.

As for breaking his heart...only thing he says is "I loved you." I found the stab in back romance lines much more poignant.

The 'puppet' thing is only a problem if you're running rivalry with him. If you're ANders' friend, he's able to control Justice. He just happens to agree with him on this one.

As for the story: definitely let him live. The mage side is going to have people who want to give up halfway and accept re-enslavement. Anders needs to be there to force them to carry the fight through to the end.

[DPSSOC]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Ryzaki wrote..

Renmiri1 wrote...
Anders/ Justice planned the bombing and his suicide / sacrifice right after, to not have to deal with the aftermath. Killing him is giving him the easy way out.

Most of my Hawkes let him live. In my case because 99.99% of my Hawkes romance him. But even if you hate his guts, you should let him go at first.

If you despise him let him go at Lowtown. Anders will come back to stop you at the Gallows and you will have to battle him and he makes it quite clear you broke his heart. You can kill him and destroy his spirit at the same time, how is that for revenge ?

If you like Anders, even if you are feeling hurt and betrayed, is best to let him live and make him atone for what he did. Don't let Justice's plan work. It wants to get rid of Anders and sow chaos. Hawke and Anders can join forces to make sure Justice's acts do not mean the massacre of all mages and good templars.

If anything even my Hawkes that like Anders (Rivalry) kill him. He's a puppet in his own body. Why let him continue living such a horrible existence? Better to mercy kill than let that demon countinue to use his body against his consent.

As for breaking his heart...only thing he says is "I loved you." I found the stab in back romance lines much more poignant.

The 'puppet' thing is only a problem if you're running rivalry with him. If you're ANders' friend, he's able to control Justice. He just happens to agree with him on this one.

Most of the time Anders is in control, he still has his moments.  Personally I wanted to off or imprison him after Ella, because Justice/Vengeance is clearly something very powerful that he can't control on his own, and Hawke can't be there to reign him in 24/7.

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
As for the story: definitely let him live. The mage side is going to have people who want to give up halfway and accept re-enslavement. Anders needs to be there to force them to carry the fight through to the end.

Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

[SeptimusMagistos]

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

[KainD]

FieryDove wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I let Anders live every time. He was completely right to do what he did. The Chantry absolutely deserves to be scourged off the face of Thedas with fire. My only regret is that Sebastian wasn't inside it at the time.

I agree with this.

+1

[Xilizhra]

I don't kill him. He's useful, and my friend besides. I would not have personally blown up the Chantry, but I'll make the best of it and make sure he does too.

[DPSSOC]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

So mages have the right to be free so long as they agree with you, if not then it is perfectly alright to violently coerce them into doing as you wish.  And people say the Qunari are bad.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't kill him. He's useful, and my friend besides. I would not have personally blown up the Chantry, but I'll make the best of it and make sure he does too.

I don't kill him, either. Anders killed members of an organization that enslaved his people for nearly a millennia. Some might see him as a freedom fighter, an emancipator.

My apostate Hawke spared Anders and saved the Circle of Kirkwall. Sebastian isn't going to side with the mages against the Chantry, so his departure doesn't mean anything for the mage cause. The Chantry and the templars need to be defeated.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 08 septembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[Xilizhra]

Granted, the reason I wouldn't have done so personally is because the collateral damage from the explosion and ensuing Veil-ripping is probably rather severe. As the templars don't seem to have been doing that much against the demons in general, I really don't know if I want to see Darktown...

[KainD]

DPSSOC wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

So mages have the right to be free so long as they agree with you, if not then it is perfectly alright to violently coerce them into doing as you wish.  And people say the Qunari are bad.

See, the majority of mages support Anders thinking, and only have problems with putting their lives in danger. What Anders actually stood for - mages being free, is what the majority of mages want:

Isolationists - Want to go somewhere far away without being chased by the templars.
Libertarians - Want to be free from the chantry and govern the circles themselves.  
Aequitarians - Just think mages should be responsible and ethical which Isolationists and Libertarians basically are as well. Basically saying no to dangerous magic that can harm other people, or do it somewhere far away. 
Lucrosians - Don't care as long as they get money for their servises. 

All of the above don't want to start a second Tevinter imperium. 

And now:
Loyalists - These guys are actually in a huge minority and are faithful supporters of the chantry.

So again, basically the majority of mages would support Anders ideas, and the only thing that stands in their way is fear to be harmed by the templars. But they DO want to be free. So Anders basically organised a no compromise all or nothing situation. I personally support the all or nothing situations, I think problems should be faced, not having a half-unsatisfied life. 

Modifié par KainD, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:06 .