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[SeptimusMagistos]

DPSSOC wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

So mages have the right to be free so long as they agree with you, if not then it is perfectly alright to violently coerce them into doing as you wish.  And people say the Qunari are bad.

No one coerced them into anything. They chose to rebel by themselves after Anders demonstrated just how little the Templars value their lives. The rebellion is their own doing, completely independent of any action Hawke takes. But they'll need Anders in the top leadership to make sure no one knuckles under and gives up halfway through. Not so much through coercion as through directing the political climate of the rebels.

[DPSSOC]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

So mages have the right to be free so long as they agree with you, if not then it is perfectly alright to violently coerce them into doing as you wish.  And people say the Qunari are bad.

No one coerced them into anything. They chose to rebel by themselves after Anders demonstrated just how little the Templars value their lives. The rebellion is their own doing, completely independent of any action Hawke takes. But they'll need Anders in the top leadership to make sure no one knuckles under and gives up halfway through. Not so much through coercion as through directing the political climate of the rebels.

Except that Anders is not, nor has he ever been, a great swayer of people, if he was he wouldn't have had to engineer the no-compromise scenario to get mages to fight beside him.  The only way Anders has to keep people in the fight is with the threat of Justice, they hold the line or face the demon.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Ryzaki]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Anders/ Justice planned the bombing and his suicide / sacrifice right after, to not have to deal with the aftermath. Killing him is giving him the easy way out.

Most of my Hawkes let him live. In my case because 99.99% of my Hawkes romance him. But even if you hate his guts, you should let him go at first.

If you despise him let him go at Lowtown. Anders will come back to stop you at the Gallows and you will have to battle him and he makes it quite clear you broke his heart. You can kill him and destroy his spirit at the same time, how is that for revenge ?

If you like Anders, even if you are feeling hurt and betrayed, is best to let him live and make him atone for what he did. Don't let Justice's plan work. It wants to get rid of Anders and sow chaos. Hawke and Anders can join forces to make sure Justice's acts do not mean the massacre of all mages and good templars.

If anything even my Hawkes that like Anders (Rivalry) kill him. He's a puppet in his own body. Why let him continue living such a horrible existence? Better to mercy kill than let that demon countinue to use his body against his consent.

As for breaking his heart...only thing he says is "I loved you." I found the stab in back romance lines much more poignant.

The 'puppet' thing is only a problem if you're running rivalry with him. If you're ANders' friend, he's able to control Justice. He just happens to agree with him on this one.

As for the story: definitely let him live. The mage side is going to have people who want to give up halfway and accept re-enslavement. Anders needs to be there to force them to carry the fight through to the end.

Considering I only rival him it's a nonissue to me. Rather kill him than let the demon use him.

[LobselVith8]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

No one coerced them into anything. They chose to rebel by themselves after Anders demonstrated just how little the Templars value their lives. The rebellion is their own doing, completely independent of any action Hawke takes. But they'll need Anders in the top leadership to make sure no one knuckles under and gives up halfway through. Not so much through coercion as through directing the political climate of the rebels.

True, the Circles broke free from the Chantry. And Anders may be alone; Anders will tell a pro-mage, apostate Hawke that he should be a leader to the mages; after siding with the mages and sparing Anders, he will tell Hawke that he is the leader mages have been waiting centuries for.

[Renmiri1]

Anders is like Alistair in the sense the he would rather follow than lead, he feels unconfortable in the spotlight. See his Codex on Act3 for a romanced Anders.

[SeptimusMagistos]

DPSSOC wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
Yes because being forced to fight in a war against your will under pain of death is vastly superior to enslavement.  Wait something in that doesn't work.

Works for me. But then my Hawke is probaby the one person more extreme about mage rights than Anders ever was.

So mages have the right to be free so long as they agree with you, if not then it is perfectly alright to violently coerce them into doing as you wish.  And people say the Qunari are bad.

No one coerced them into anything. They chose to rebel by themselves after Anders demonstrated just how little the Templars value their lives. The rebellion is their own doing, completely independent of any action Hawke takes. But they'll need Anders in the top leadership to make sure no one knuckles under and gives up halfway through. Not so much through coercion as through directing the political climate of the rebels.

Except that Anders is not, nor has he ever been, a great swayer of people, if he was he wouldn't have had to engineer the no-compromise scenario to get mages to fight beside him.  The only way Anders has to keep people in the fight is with the threat of Justice, they hold the line or face the demon.

Not entirely true. He was involved in the mage railroad. He had non-mages ready to fight to defend him from someone they thought might turn him over to the Templars. Anders was always heavily involved in the mage cause and he's a fine organizer. If nothing else, he can always serve as an example of the enthusiasm all mages should strive for.

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Anders is like Alistair in the sense the he would rather follow than lead, he feels unconfortable in the spotlight. See his Codex on Act3 for a romanced Anders.

That ain't ever gonna happen for me, I just can't bring myself to romance him.  Do you have a picture of it you can post here, or a copy/paste of what it says?

[babymoon]

Let him live. I love Anders, and think he's an interesting character. And I want to see how he handles himself and his guilt in the next game.

Modifié par babymoon, 09 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .