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[Saaziel]

"Do all the Collectors have armor and/or barriers?"

Everyone except Harbinger. That's where the Geth Plasma Shotgun comes into play, goes through barriers likes there's no tomorrow, in my experience any ways.

"is it worth going for LotSB before the Collector Ship as well"

I'd think so. Its a Biotic heaven sort of speak, lots of ways to throw mooks off ramps or into the clouds. The electrical arc antennas makes it a lot easier for biotics as well.

[termokanden]

For my Adept on insanity, the game was very annoying up to and including Horizon. Afterwards I got the upgrades, and the difference was so huge I now felt the game was too easy. I never finished that playthrough. It has been said many times before, but it wasn't a good idea to hide all the biotic upgrades (except one if you have DLC) after Horizon. It creates a very unnatural difficulty curve for adepts. I always felt the difficulty should increase steadily throughout the game, but that's really not how it works here.

On the other hand after I played through on insanity the first time (that was an engineer actually, much smoother experience), I have been unable to really enjoy the lower difficulties. Feels like the fun just goes away when things die too quickly.

Modifié par termokanden, 20 mars 2011 - 12:13 .

[mcsupersport]

Collectors are all barriers and armor, some health BUT all defenses are barrier and armor.

Husks are armored over health on Insanity and Hardcore.
Preatorian is all barrier and armor.
Harbinger is all barrier and armor.
Scions are all armor.
Collectors are all guarded by barriers over health.

So things that hit armor and barriers are a good idea on any collector missions. My favorite Adept companions on the collector ship is Thane(w/ incisor sr if you have it) and Miranda. All others can work, but for me the number of warps plus passives and combos with Miranda and Thane just seem to destroy the Collector ship.

[lazuli]

mcsupersport wrote...

Before you go to the Collector ship try to recruit Thane. You will find Thane with sniper rifle and unstable warp paired up with Miranda with unstable warp and you as an adept will tear through collectors like a hot knife.

This is good advice.  An additional source of Warp for the Collector ship is always welcome, whether you're new to Insanity or an old hand.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Just completed Garrus' recruitment. Had a few hairy spots (the second and third shutters were a pain, particularly the last pyro that hung around the corner so I couldn't get anything at it and burned me to a crisp if I popped out to shoot or use biotics... oh, and the YMIR got right into Garrus' room before we shut it down XD) but it is definitely beginning to feel easier. I am now kicking myself that I didn't go and get the biotic upgrade from Firewalker, but someone was suggesting to save it for after Horizon/before the Collector ship so as to trigger the ship before all the recruitment missions. Am looking forward to doing Thane's recruitment though... giant dropoffs everywhere! May also grab Samara first (for solely plot reasons).

Next up is Horizon, and I'm sort of dreading it. Am planning to head in with Miranda and Mordin for the anti-armor. Cannot wait to get the Collector Beam Rifle (my favorite HW).

Again, I can't thank everyone in this thread enough for all their help and advice. So far it's all been extremely helpful, even if just to reassure me that I am not a big giant idiot for struggling so much. Thanks again!

[XCPTNL]

lazuli wrote...

This is good advice.  An additional source of Warp for the Collector ship is always welcome, whether you're new to Insanity or an old hand.

It's nice to have but you don't really need it. Collector missions are not that hard for Adepts. You can lock down Harbinger with Singularity all the time if you like and easily deal with the barriers/armor and health of the collectors. On the platform sections like in the Collector Ship and the Collector Base you can also just Pull/Throw the Collectors off the platform after removing their barriers with Warp or your Weapon (with the Geth Shotgun it's pretty easy). In my opinion the Collector Ship is almost easier for an Adept than any other class. You can play it solo without much problems, see cruz1ale's video (and this was without the GPS and before there was Stasis available:

And with the Geth Shotgun it's even easier. Also if you choose Stasis you can also get rid of the Scions pretty easily, although the second one requires good timing:

I think recruiting Thane and beating his shield and mech-heavy mission before getting the additional weapons training from the Collector Ship is actually a harder task than beating the Collector Ship solo (which you obviously don't have to, you can bring Miranda, Jack or Jacob with additional Warp and Pull and it becomes even easier).

Modifié par Korjyan, 20 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[XCPTNL]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I am now kicking myself that I didn't go and get the biotic upgrade from Firewalker, but someone was suggesting to save it for after Horizon/before the Collector ship so as to trigger the ship before all the recruitment missions.

You can do the Firewalker mission before you get to Horizon and do some other side missions after Horizon to trigger the Collector Ship mission. I wrote this on a previous post on page 1:

After Horizon I do some Illium sidequests, buy all the stuff I need and then do 5  side missions (usually: Anomalous Weather Detected, MSV Broken Arrow, Endangered Research Station, Mining the Canyon, MSV Estevanico). The Anomalous Weather mission also gives you another Damage Proctection upgrade so you can do the Hard Shields upgrade back on the Normandy before going onto the Collector Ship. You could also do the Firewalker mission but I usually do them before recruiting Mordin. And after you have beaten the Collector Ship you have your bonus weapon for the rest of the game (and some more upgrades available at the shops).

Modifié par Korjyan, 20 mars 2011 - 03:04 .

[UsagiVindaloo]

Korjyan wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I am now kicking myself that I didn't go and get the biotic upgrade from Firewalker, but someone was suggesting to save it for after Horizon/before the Collector ship so as to trigger the ship before all the recruitment missions.

You can do the Firewalker mission before you get to Horizon and do some other side missions after Horizon to trigger the Collector Ship mission. I wrote this on a previous post on page 1:

After Horizon I do some Illium sidequests, buy all the stuff I need and then do 5  side missions (usually: Anomalous Weather Detected, MSV Broken Arrow, Endangered Research Station, Mining the Canyon, MSV Estevanico). The Anomalous Weather mission also gives you another Damage Proctection upgrade so you can do the Hard Shields upgrade back on the Normandy before going onto the Collector Ship. You could also do the Firewalker mission but I usually do them before recruiting Mordin. And after you have beaten the Collector Ship you have your bonus weapon for the rest of the game (and some more upgrades available at the shops).

Good point, but to clarify, I don't think I can go do the Firewalker mission now because Horizon has been triggered and TIM is waiting for me in the briefing room, hence the, "Dangit, didn't do the Firewalker mission."  Never mind, I can do it afterwards. As for mech-heavy missions, one way I can get around that is going with Kasumi/Miranda as my squad.

Something I'm vaguely wondering about... in general, is it good to have my squad do the pulling and me do the warping (i.e. powerlevel their Pull and my Warp) or vice versa (their Warps and my Pull/Singularity)? I seem to have gotten in the habit of getting Jacob to pull and myself to Warp Bomb (he had the high Pull as well as no casting animation), but I can switch it around if it's generally considered better.

[XCPTNL]

I'd say it depends on the situation. The good thing about squadmate's abilities is that they hit instantly and don't have to travel. The downside for Pull is that you can't arc it though so sometimes when you use a squadmate's pull the enemy gets stuck on whatever he was taking cover behind.

Your cooldown for Pull is lower. Then again for guys like Jacob it doesn't matter because you don't use any other active power so go ahead and use his Pull. Another thing you should consider about Warp Bombs is that you usually evolve Squadmate's Warp to Unstable Warp. It has a shorter cooldown than Heavy Warp (not as your own Heavy Warp though) and the blast radius is bigger. So it's perfect to detonate Warp bombs. Just mix it up... use squadmate's AND your own powers depending on the situation, cooldown... - do you need to spam Singularity to lock down Harbinger and are being shot at from every side by Collector Assassins? Then it's probably a good idea to use a squadmate's Pull and another squadmate's Warp for the Warp Bomb because you want to stay behind cover until you need to throw another Singularity at Harbinger and don't want to be in the middle of your won Warp cooldown. In other situations you can just use both. There really is no right or wrong for this.

[mcsupersport]

You do know that you can hack the Heavy mech in Garrus's mission if you find it in the room just behind the Salarian leaders conference room. If you hack the mech, it then attacks the Salarian's guys instead of going after Garrus.......just so you know for future runs.

I don't know how most use the teams, but I generally like to be the one pulling because I can direct the guys more in the direction I want to get bigger damages. But this is more a personal choice. On Horizon I generally run Miranda and Grunt with grunt packing the Matlock, but hey play with who you like. I have seen many posts of people liking Mordin on Horizon, but I haven't had much luck with him, so I hope you have better luck. Have fun playing ring around the rosey with the Praetorian and the communications tower, just remember to spread your guys out when facing it so they don't get stomped and can take turns shooting it.

[UsagiVindaloo]

mcsupersport wrote...

You do know that you can hack the Heavy mech in Garrus's mission if you find it in the room just behind the Salarian leaders conference room. If you hack the mech, it then attacks the Salarian's guys instead of going after Garrus.......just so you know for future runs.

I don't know how most use the teams, but I generally like to be the one pulling because I can direct the guys more in the direction I want to get bigger damages. But this is more a personal choice. On Horizon I generally run Miranda and Grunt with grunt packing the Matlock, but hey play with who you like. I have seen many posts of people liking Mordin on Horizon, but I haven't had much luck with him, so I hope you have better luck. Have fun playing ring around the rosey with the Praetorian and the communications tower, just remember to spread your guys out when facing it so they don't get stomped and can take turns shooting it.

Oh, I did hack it, but the hack was apparently temporary; after taking out half of the Eclipse mercs, it decided it wanted revenge for my tampering and went stampeding up the stairs along with the salarian Eclipse merc boss.

Haven't actually been doing much with the "heavy hitters" so far... though mostly that was because Zaeed made a dismal showing in Mordin's recruitment mission and I decided to stick more with Overload + biotics. I'm thinking Grunt might be a good choice for the third member (second will almost definitely be Miranda), it's between him, Jacob and Mordin. Don't think a pre-loyalty Zaeed will be good for Horizon (no Inferno Grenade), and Garrus doesn't really have anti armor capability yet. Jack's pull would be nice but I gather Shockwave is useless (?) and Kasumi... is a bit of a weird one just because of her shadow step ability, which is nice against everything but still probably not quite as good as the others.

Just to make sure I have this clear, the recommendation is to take *Heavy* Warp for myself and *Area* Warp for Miranda/Thane? (sure this was said above, but I admit I'm a bit tired at the moment and my brain isn't processing!)

[mcsupersport]

I personally like heavy warp for myself, that way it hits harder but the downside is smaller area on explosions. Some people like the larger area and slightly less damage, personal preference, but I seem to have better luck with Shepard sporting heavy warp. Now companions get a 3 second reduction in cooldowns by going unstable warp. On companions Heavy warp takes 12 seconds to cool, and unstable takes 9 seconds, making unstable on companions usually best to take.

On Garrus's mission were you upstairs with Garrus or downstairs just about under him?? I always sprint downstairs so I am on level to see straight across the bridge at the short wall with my companions on either side of me(sometimes takes some work to get them there, stupid AI). This way I can stop everyone from entering the base and face the mech and Salarians with them all out on the bridge.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Just popping in for an update, I *do* seem to be doing a bit better with each mission. I just completed Horizon with Miranda and Mordin, and I only struggled with a few bits: the section just after talking to the mechanic (had no problems second try, was just struggling with husks), the final area when you first arrive (Husks and Scions everywhere) and that damn Praetorian. I had to try about five times on him. I found it really difficult to find useful cover because he kept strafing around with his beams, not to mention landing on the ground and forcing me back. I finally got it by sheer ferocity of panic ("AAAAH! AAAH! *run screaming, chucking Warps behind as I go*) If there's a secret here I'm missing, do tell.

Have done all the Firewalker missions for the biotic upgrade, as well as purchasing the biotic upgrade from Illlium (couldn't afford the one from Tuchanka, at least not without getting the discount from Grunt's mission). Have lost count of how many missions I've done before the Collector Ship, so hopefully may be able to go tackle that after recruiting Thane.

Thanks all again for all the help!

[Badpanzer]

"Oh, I did hack it, but the hack was apparently temporary; after taking out half of the Eclipse mercs, it decided it wanted revenge for my tampering and went stampeding up the stairs along with the salarian Eclipse merc boss. /images/forum/emoticons/andy.png"

Yeah that Mech will follow the Merc boss into the base sometimes if you dont drop him on the bridge..can be awkward if you arent ready :lol

[UsagiVindaloo]

Aaaand I've now hit that beautiful, magical time everyone was speaking of when I transform from timid, cowering mouse who dies when breathed on to BIOTIC GOD THAT SWEEPS ACROSS LIKE A GREAT WIND. Still had a few deaths here and there, one to the gunship in Samara's recruitment and one to some Fenris mechs in Thane's, but for the most part I suddenly turned into a terrifying monster overnight. Things got even more disgusting once I got Thane and took him and Miranda to literally Warp through Samara's recruitment mission.

Hoping things go well with the Collector Ship (that's up next) though I'm still nervous about the Praetorian.

Again, can't thank everyone enough. I would have given up long ago if it weren't for everyone's helpful advice.

[XCPTNL]

The Praetorians are both very easy. Really. You can kite them perfectly around cover. At the first one on Horizon there's this spot on the left side (from where you entered) with 2 Sky-Trucks and some crates. You can place your squadmates a bit further away from there to the right so they can keep firing at the Praetorian and don't get hit. Then you just walk around this cover all the time and Warp-Spam this idiot. It can't hit you with the ground attack if you are always on the opposite side of him. Very easy.

And on the collector ship: Jump down and before moving forward direct your squadmates down the ramp to the cover opoosite of where the 2 Collectors will spawn after the first 2 Husks. You just stay at "the entry" of that section and take cover as soon as your squadmates have arrived at their positions. Then the Praetorian will arrive and the Husks. Strip away the Husks armor with your squadmate's Warp or Incinerate and then use a Throw, Pull or Concussive Shot to instakill them. You are still safe where you are. Now the 2 Collectors will spawn. You need to kill them asap which can be a bit more tricky from your position without a Sniper Rifle. You can move down a bit on the right ramp so the autotargeting can get a hold of them. Then use your and your squadmate's powers and kill them. Maybe you can kill them faster with a Heavy Weapon like the Collector Beam, I don't know, I never use Heavy Weapons... then there's another Husk to deal with, but that's easy. Now there's just the Praetorian left. Command your squadmates away a little and start kiting the Pratorian around the ramps to the left and right. There's cover on the floor level as well. So just always move around and keep hitting it. When you are on top of the ramps (where you first took cover) and the Praetorian is underneath you it can't hit you so pop out of cover and empty your weapons. It's really not very hard. Take a look at this video (skip to 3.00): www.youtube.com/watch
(although he doesn't send the squadmate's down which I find more helpful)

[mcsupersport]

The Horizon Praetorian for me is easy to kite around the transmission tower that you activate the guns on. I put one teammate on the far end and the other over near the heavy weapon ammo or a little more to the center by on that side. Then it is just a matter of keeping a slight distance from the wall and going around and around the tower letting your teammates shoot and power blast him.

The thing to always remember about Praetorians is they will never actively chase your companions as long as you are not cloaked as an infiltrator. The only times a Praetorian will actually damage your companions is if you let them get too close and then it automatically does the ground pound attack. So as long as you put your guys away from him but with a line of site to shoot him, they will not get hurt and will constantly damage the sucker. All you need then is a group of cover that hides you from his beams and is big enough to not get stomped on or flown over. For me it is always the tower for Horizon and the Stairs for the CS. I don't use other heavy weapons in the game, so I always open the Praetorian battles with a Cain blast to them, usually takes out most of the minor baddies on the CS and generally shortens the fight without much exposure to damage.

[RGFrog]

Hehe, I always use the cain at the begining of the Praetorian battle on the CS. After that it's a cakewalk.