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[Turnip Root]

From nuking the Chantry?

I was absolutely shocked when I saw this scene.  It's tradition for Bioware games to have a "OMGWTF" twist and this one was definetly among the most shocking of them.

Even though I could sympathize with Anders, his decision created a huge schism amongst my companions, most notably with Sebastian and Fenris outright betraying me.  Is there a way I can stop Anders from doing this?

[thesuperdarkone]

NO

[Nyaore]

No, he'll do it no matter what sets you take to prevent it from occurring.

[Turnip Root]

Dammit! Is it at least possible to keep the loyalty of Sebastian and Fenris without killing Anders?

[Nyaore]

Sebastian, no. Fenris however will stay with you if you've garnered full friendship with him, and apparently rivalry as well though I have yet to test that.

[Lulia]

I don't think so. I'm on the second playthrough and having nothing to do with him at all and i refused to do his quests but he still seems to be progressing towards his goal, although i guess time will tell.

[surfgirlusa_2006]

Even if you don't have full rivalry/friendship with Fenris, you have an option to bring him back over to your side once you make it over to the Gallows for the final showdown.

[Turnip Root]

That does it, Anders dies on my next playthrough.

[Scott Sion]

Why would you want to avoid this? Between the visually pleasing effect of the chantry blowing up and Sebastians screaming like a five year old girl it was my favourite part of the game, And you wanna know what? I got up and started clapping, Uh-huh thats right I yelled encore as well.

[Parrk]

I've read that some have had success in preventing the chantry from being blown up by choosing the "exit game " dialogue choice on that one screen...

[Turnip Root]

plnero wrote...

Why would you want to avoid this? Between the visually pleasing effect of the chantry blowing up and Sebastians screaming like a five year old girl it was my favourite part of the game, And you wanna know what? I got up and started clapping, Uh-huh thats right I yelled encore as well.

Well I felt bad because Fenris, Anders and me were having a bromance and it's never easy choosing between bros.

[Scott Sion]

still you would think an event like the chantry blowing up would bring everyone together, I guess not. Well morrigan would approve at the very least.

Morrigan Approves: 1000

[Halo Quea]

No. It was always going to happen. It really made me sick because he spent all of this time preaching to Merrill about "her demon" and all the while he was fully consumed with his own. That is saying that he was so contemptible that he took a good spirit and "demonized" it.

But there was one thing that I liked about it. It further revealed the reason why most good spirits don't ally themselves with mages. If the Mage is bad then the good spirit can become corrupted. I wished Bioware had explored that instead of drowning us in blood mages and abominations.

Anders clearly didn't have the wisdom or morality as Wynne did with her Faith spirit in Origins. And I think it might have been good to have Bethany exposed to something like this. Maybe have the good spirit rescue her from the taint instead of handing her over to the Grey Wardens.

Gosh Bioware, there were so many good things you guys could have done with this game.

[armagite]

*Embark upon a new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.* This is a key feature of the game according to main DA2 page... how I laughed at it after 3rd play-thought and know this is not the case.

[coolair74]

*Embark upon a new adventure that takes place across 7 years , 3 are actually playable and decision you make really has little impact on the story.*

[coolair74]

*Embark upon a new adventure that takes place across 7 years , 3 are actually playable and decision you make really has little impact on the story.*

[highcastle]

Halo Quea wrote...

No. It was always going to happen. It really made me sick because he spent all of this time preaching to Merrill about "her demon" and all the while he was fully consumed with his own. That is saying that he was so contemptible that he took a good spirit and "demonized" it.

But there was one thing that I liked about it. It further revealed the reason why most good spirits don't ally themselves with mages. If the Mage is bad then the good spirit can become corrupted. I wished Bioware had explored that instead of drowning us in blood mages and abominations.

Anders clearly didn't have the wisdom or morality as Wynne did with her Faith spirit in Origins. And I think it might have been good to have Bethany exposed to something like this. Maybe have the good spirit rescue her from the taint instead of handing her over to the Grey Wardens.

Gosh Bioware, there were so many good things you guys could have done with this game.

I think you're turning a very gray issue into something decidedly black and white. Exactly what happened to Anders to pervert Justice into Vengeance is left largely unexplored. But we do see something of the horrors of the Circle. That one templar turning mages tranquil for the purpose of raping them is one example that springs to mind. Anders mentions something similar in a banter with Aveline. Given all the times he ran away from the Circle and dialogues like these, I wonder the extent of what happened to him in the Ferelden Tower.

Even without justification like that, I'm still not sure you can quantify Anders as purely evil or call him lacking in morality. It's clear he has a moral compass, it's just not the same moral compass you might have. He's lost sight of certain concepts. Again, I'm not trying to justify him. I think what he did was wrong, but I don't think you can call him evil because of it. He wasn't doing it for the purpose of killing innocents. He was doing it to force a change he believed was neccessary. History is littered with examples of this, and we tend to whitewash or demonize these actions depending on how things turned out or which side committed the action.

I do agree with you about his hypocrasy towards Merrill, though. There's even an interesting banter between the two of them where Merrill calls him out on this, saying she had the wisdom to recognize all fade creatures are dangerous. Of course, when you played Awakening for the first time, did you think Justice would be capable of this type of act? Did you think Anders would be? I don't have the answers, but I think they're worth discussing.

[Badpie]

Turnip Root wrote...

plnero wrote...

Why would you want to avoid this? Between the visually pleasing effect of the chantry blowing up and Sebastians screaming like a five year old girl it was my favourite part of the game, And you wanna know what? I got up and started clapping, Uh-huh thats right I yelled encore as well.

Well I felt bad because Fenris, Anders and me were having a bromance and it's never easy choosing between bros.

It is when one slaughters a bunch of innocent people and turns into a terrorist.

But I know how you feel.  My Hawke loved him, but she had to kill him.  He wasn't kidding about breaking her heart.

[Badpie]

Shavon wrote...

Well, when you are warped by a demon you can't control. . . .

why couldn't we have the option to separate him from Justice, the way the Warden did with Connor

O:

He was the one that warped Justice. Not the other way around.  But eventually I suppose it became a two way street, driving him crazy.

[Drowsy0106]

Turnip Root wrote...

That does it, Anders dies on my next playthrough.

U can try, but a wizard will just bring him back for the next DLC. 

[someon7x]

plnero wrote...

Why would you want to avoid this? Between the visually pleasing effect of the chantry blowing up and Sebastians screaming like a five year old girl it was my favourite part of the game, And you wanna know what? I got up and started clapping, Uh-huh thats right I yelled encore as well.

When I thought it was a result of my letting an abomination run amok in the chantry, I was clapping.

When I learned that I had no impact whatsover on the most controversial event in the game, I was booing.

It's like if DAO made me kill Alistair. It's so much cooler when he dies because I don't let him walk away.