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[Red Viking]

Honestly, Dauntless, I think you need to take a step back and think about what you're really posting. We all get why and how you're upset, but the only thing you've accomplished in the past twelve pages is alienating a lot of people.

Like others have said: You do not speak for the entire LGBT community, so please stop acting like you do.

Modifié par Red Viking, 30 octobre 2009 - 05:41 .

[SonvarTheMighty]

@OP
If you don't like Alistair not being a M/M romance option then don't buy the game. Because at this stage they aren't going to change who the romance options are.   Otherwise, cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

Modifié par SonvarTheMighty, 30 octobre 2009 - 05:47 .

[Drasanil]

TheDauntless wrote...
 
With all of that in place, how was it determined that Alistair would not be thrown into the mix? Was he written with many gender pronouns in his dialogue as opposed to Zevran who was not? Why one and not the other, if not for the negative reasons which I've highlighted earlier?

Here's a question. Why should Bioware make all romances bisexual? So you can have the stud you wanted? In order to achieve some subjective non-discrimination quota as perceived by you? Because it makes perfect sense that out of a group of seven people more than half of them would have sexual preferences which reflect those of less than 10% of the population?

There should be both characters who are exclusively straight and exclusively gay and in equal quantities among the approachable party members. If not that, they should all be bisexual.

Why? There is not an equal number of gay and straight people, and I very much doubt any random person you find attractive suddenly decides to become bi-sexual simply to accomodate you. Whether or not there is a gay option in game is of little relevance to me, but good on Bioware for even including it in the first place for those who wanted it. How ever, to place some arbitrary numbers' quota in order to not "offend" gays is ridiculous.  

It's actually BioWare's ways that are homophobic in this case, likely not by intent but in practice.

They included a bisexual option which you go steady gay with and have you even read the lore on the Dragon Age wiki? The game and the setting, are any but homophobic to the point it jars with the image of a dark fantasy medivialesque world. What more do you want a gay pride parade in Denerim to welcome your character, just so you can be not offended?

Their willingness is something for which I will give them the benefit of the doubt. But with no good results that still amounts to nothing.

Look I get it you're pissed, you wanted your character to get 'jiggy' with Alistair, some people wanted to romance an elf chick, and some were looking foward to a solid dwarven romance option, guess what? They didn't get it and some how they managed to get over it.

If you really want to get down with Alistair, just make manly looking chick, pretend it's a drag queen and be on your merry way, its not like you can see the naughty bits any ways so what does it matter? And on the plus side it's very avant-garde. progressive and totally respectfull towards the LGBT, problem solved

Modifié par Drasanil, 30 octobre 2009 - 06:12 .

[TheDauntless]

Here's a question. Why should Bioware make all romances bisexual?

They ought to because it would be easy and it would put straight and LGBT gamers on equal footing. They opt not to because they bow to fears of conservative criticism of such a move. And, I suspect BioWare can't fathom taking gay people seriously at heart, else there would have been a gay character in their games.

Why? There is not an equal number of gay and straight people, and I very much doubt any random person you find attractive suddenly decides to become bi-sexual simply to accomodate you. Whether or not there is a gay option in game is of little relevance to me, but good on Bioware for even including it in the first place for those who wanted it. How ever, to place some arbitrary numbers' quota in order to not "offend" gays is ridiculous.

There are no flamestrikes or circles of healing in real life either. And the orcs in fantasy pale in comparison to all the real life ogres where I live. When searching for reality, fantasy should not be your logical choice.

They included a bisexual option which you go steady gay with and have you even read the lore on the Dragon Age wiki? The game and the setting, are any but homophobic to the point it jars with the image of a dark fantasy medivialesque world. What more do you want a gay pride parade in Denerim to welcome your character, just so you can be not offended?

Yes, he isn't gay. You are the first to see that with me. Because of that I will trust that you can follow a hypothetical exercise. Well, semi-hypothetically: You are a straight person in a world where your sexual identity is oftentimes cause for shame, exclusion, and rejection. You find straight people underrepresented and at best, insultingly presented by mainstream media. You like RPGs and one company that writes wonderful stories has been dropping a token bisexual character here and there among all the gay heroes and villains. Nobody else has done this. You find the onesies and twosies approachable but they're the minority and are slightly less likely to mate with your straight PC than they are with any gay PC, and the gay interactions get the full treatment. You get shortchanged. You decide to tough it out. It will get better. It must! No one else is pretending to include you. Several games in, you keep getting more of the same. It's enough for you! You set aside money for Tuesday.

So to address the lore you're referencing, there was mention of background npcs regarding LGBT representation in one of the reviews. A dwarven transvestite from a brothel was the only contender. If she's the only one who stands for the LGBT community outside of Zevran plus Morrigan and/or Leliana, then I can call that a cop-out as well. I have no interest in reading them. They're crumbs, not marketed with the game. The background lore does not matter when the public face of DA is unwilling to be inclusive.

Modifié par TheDauntless, 30 octobre 2009 - 10:10 .

[mrmoneda]

Why don't you just take your ball and go home already?

[mrmoneda]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

They are absolutely all scripted the same.  What does this say about our portrayal of characters as weak-willed , catty, or promiscuous?  Nothing whatsoever since they are completely uniform in this regard across gender, sexuality, and personality.  Computer programs.  Go figure.

T_T

This means no threesomes? Aw....

There is, supposedly, a potential three and foursome.

[Ecaiki]

mrmoneda wrote...

Why don't you just take your ball and go home already?

Because trying to start a crusade over a video game is so much better? :innocent:

Seriously, Dauntless is making me embarrassed to be gay.  Like that friend that you pretend to not know when they get waaaaaay too drunk and start shouting insults at people.

[mrmoneda]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...


*squees* Though I'm pretty sure there's not a female pc/alistair/zevran threesome is there? If you have spoilers give me a link please?

Edit: I quoted the wrong post. *sighs* Sorry

Well it does involve Zevran...

[Edit] No posting links to copyright material.

Modifié par Kevin Lynch, 01 novembre 2009 - 12:31 .

[Linarc]

Ok, here is the link:
HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD:
some information about Zevran

edit: hmm, it was posted before I did...

[Edit] No linking to copyright material.

Modifié par Kevin Lynch, 01 novembre 2009 - 12:35 .

[Eshaye]

TheDauntless wrote...

Here's a question. Why should Bioware make all romances bisexual?

They ought to because it would be easy

And you know this how? Really now are we to seriously think that writing romances are Bioware's prime objective when fleshing out a game? Come on now.. 

Here's earth come back to it please. Now if you were simply suggesting and hoping for one character in the future to be just gay (no bi option) then fine that's a valid suggestion, however to say that it would be EASY for Bioware to write romances for every possible encounter is pushing it a bit. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 30 octobre 2009 - 11:42 .

[TheDauntless]

Eshaye wrote...

TheDauntless wrote...

Here's a question. Why should Bioware make all romances bisexual?

They ought to because it would be easy

And you know this how? Really now are we to seriously think that writing romances are Bioware's prime objective when fleshing out a game? Come on now.. 

Here's earth come back to it please. Now if you were simply suggesting and hoping for one character in the future to be just gay (no bi option) then fine that's a valid suggestion, however to say that it would be EASY for Bioware to write romances for every possible encounter is pushing it a bit. 

I know this thanks to what we witnessed in Jade Empire and Mass Effect. You may as well if you played through them or read through my other comments. Princess, Sky, and Liara used perhaps gender pronouns once or twice each in any single playthrough when they addressed their respective PCs. Usually they and everyone else stuck with "Commander" "Shepard" etc.

Romances may not be BioWare's primary concern but they like to call attention to the fact that they are the only western company that includes them. Given that they are also the only western company that pretends to include gay romance options, they're held to the highest standard when representing LGBT sexuality.

It wouldn't be pushing at all. The guys would like guys and girls. The girls would like guys and girls. Can you point to me the cons in that situation? You surmise that they would have to write up a whole different romance story to say, allow Alistair and Wynne(most of us assume she is not a F/F option) to be able to have same-sex romances with a PC. Rest assured, the content is already written in the form of opposite-sex romance with PCs. There has not been a single BioWare romance in their games which I've played, NWN, KOTOR, JE, ME, in which the attraction of an npc feels hinged upon a PC's gender. No babies. All the gender-neutral dialogue is there, just like in JE and ME. I know this because if the bisexual npcs of DA had romances which played out in ways significantly different depending on if you are a guy or a girl then we would've heard about it. It wouldn't be like the cop-outs in JE and ME. However the game reviews, the writer weigh-ins here in this thread, and the spoilers about Zevran in the link posted recently report no hints of that outcome. None of them suggest that Zevran's same-sex activities are uniquely different from his opposite-sex interactions. Therefore, it would be a simple matter to adapt this to Alistair and the straight female PC. Clearly they know how to make it happen in DA. In short, BioWare has the means and perhaps even the wish to be fair, but intentions count for nothing when the unfavorable end product speaks the loudest.

Modifié par TheDauntless, 31 octobre 2009 - 12:10 .

[Drasanil]

TheDauntless wrote...
They ought to because it would be easy and it would put straight and LGBT gamers on equal footing.

The fact of the the matter is that the straight and LGBT gamers are not on an equal footing, the market is largely dominated by straight gamers, and Bioware doesn't owe the LGBT gamers any special favours simply because they're there. They'll make a game designed to appeal to the largest segment of the market and anything extra -such as homosexual, bisexual and even to an extent hetero romances- is a bonus, the sooner you realise that the happier you'll be.

There are no flamestrikes or circles of healing in real life either. And the orcs in fantasy pale in comparison to all the real life ogres where I live. When searching for reality, fantasy should not be your logical choice.

As you said fantasy =/= reality, so you can obviously recognise the difference between the two, which means you should also be capable of understanding that a make believe video game is not a personal attack on your sexuality. So I ask you again why should Bioware have to ascribe an arbitrary quota in order to not offend you, and when I say you I really mean you specifically, since it's obvious by now that you're pretty much on your own when it comes to this.

Yes, he isn't gay. You are the first to see that with me.

Yes he isn't  all out gay, but you can have monogamous gay relationship with him, which essentialy amounts to the same thing, so what's the issue?

Because of that I will trust that you can follow a hypothetical exercise. Well, semi-hypothetically: You are a straight person in a world where your sexual identity is oftentimes cause for shame, exclusion, and rejection. You find straight people underrepresented and at best, insultingly presented by mainstream media. You like RPGs and one company that writes wonderful stories has been dropping a token bisexual character here and there among all the gay heroes and villains. Nobody else has done this. You find the onesies and twosies approachable but they're the minority and are slightly less likely to mate with your straight PC than they are with any gay PC, and the gay interactions get the full treatment. You get shortchanged. You decide to tough it out. It will get better. It must! No one else is pretending to include you. Several games in, you keep getting more of the same. It's enough for you! You set aside money for Tuesday.

First off in such a semi-hypothetical exercise the quality of the game itself takes first place, anything else is a bonus. Secondly as a straight male gamer, watching two fake lesbians go at it as opposed to one chick and one guy is just as -if not more- appealing --> in other words it's cute for all of two seconds and gets really boring really quickly. A non-issue is a non-issue, no matter which angle you try to look at it from.

So to address the lore you're referencing, there was mention of background npcs regarding LGBT representation in one of the reviews. A dwarven transvestite from a brothel was the only contender. If she's the only one who stands for the LGBT community outside of Zevran plus Morrigan and/or Leliana, then I can call that a cop-out as well. I have no interest in reading them. They're crumbs, not marketed with the game. The background lore does not matter when the public face of DA is unwilling to be inclusive.

I was referring to this lore: http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_Marriage . From what i've seen of people who are actually interested in the game and it's lore (ie: most normal RPG gamers here) the Dragon Age wiki constitutes a large part of the public face of DA, given that you know it comprised of information from DA, about DA, for those interested in DA.

[mrmoneda]

TheDauntless wrote...

Romances may not be BioWare's primary concern but they like to call attention to the fact that they are the only western company that includes them. Given that they are also the only western company that pretends to include gay romance options, they're held to the highest standard when representing LGBT sexuality.

How does it benefit you to continually attempt to heap that responsibility onto BioWare?

[Grimpeaper]

I don't really have the time to read all these responses but the question that pops into my mind is:



Do you get so upset when you meet a straight guy in real life you find very attractive but who isn't attracted to you? Do you curse the fates or god or whatever?



"Damn you, Amaterasu, why can't everyone just be bi?!?!"



As far as I can tell you're personalizing something that was not at all meant to be personal. I would actually lose a bit of respect for Bioware if they made all romances potentially bisexual because they would be sacrificing an amount of realism for the sake of pandering to a niche audience. Not everyone is bisexual or gay or straight, but when you look at the percentages straight folks are in the majority. If being a straight white male was the niche audience (of which I would be a part) I would be equally as offended.



Also, bisexuality is more in line with Zevran's character than Alistair's. Zevran grew up in a brothel and is an assassin, presumably one who can use his good looks to get close to a target before completing his assignment. With such an upbringing it stands to reason he might be more in touch with his "bi" side. Alistair grew up in, essentially, a church. Granted, Ferelden has more enlightened views on sexuality than the real world (according to Gaider's book, "The Stolen Throne."), but such an upbringing would still color Alistair's views on sexuality and what he's attracted to or willing to experiment with.



That said, I'm a straight white male. I'm the status quo in America. I have no idea what its like to be discriminated against by the majority of society. However, I like to think I wouldn't actively search for actions that are marginally discriminatory towards me if I were a minority. I like to call that "being reasonable".

[Sol Nox]

TheDauntless wrote...

Here's a question. Why should Bioware make all romances bisexual?

They ought to because it would be easy

All your other bat-sh*t crazy aside - that is a terrible reason to do anything.

And more to the matter, that would be stretching the realm of fantasy to the breaking point. Unable to speak for others but I can say that I, as a gamer, would be unable to accept a world presented to me where everybody was given the green light to sleep with...well, everybody. Unless it was some sort of sex/dating game, (though at that point I'd have bigger issues to contend with) but that's not the case with DA:O.

While it is a fantasy the characters were designed to bring the most realism to it. Realistically, the world isn't bi. At least, I know I've never switched teams just to keep from disappointing those people that hoped I would for them. As though they were so special that the notion that I could be hot for them was unpossible, no matter any other information (read: my actual sexuality, never mind if I even liked the person or not).

Yes, Hot Person A is hot. Crying "wolf" (read: discrimination) just 'cause they won't get freaky with you - unbecoming indeed. It may make you sad times (but really, buck up) but that's how people are. And the idea that that's reflected in a game should not have 'caused...well, all this! Geezus.

Would it help to look at it this way: You're a completely gay male, yes? If a woman started freaking out, "hate crime!" 'cause you won't sleep with her would that make any sense? No. In fact, I doubt you'd have little sympathy for such behavior. Though I could be speaking out of turn in this analogy, but I hope the gist gets across.

Modifié par ColeMR, 31 octobre 2009 - 01:03 .

[TheDauntless]

The fact of the the matter is that the straight and LGBT gamers are not on an equal footing, the market is largely dominated by straight gamers, and Bioware doesn't owe the LGBT gamers any special favours simply because they're there. They'll make a game designed to appeal to the largest segment of the market and anything extra -such as homosexual, bisexual and even to an extent hetero romances- is a bonus, the sooner you realise that the happier you'll be.

Unfortunately, BioWare opened the door to evaluation not only by depicting gay and bi sexualities(to varying degree), but beginning by having "tasteful, mature" romantic relationships in their games. Should they hope to bring in LGBT dollars it is in their best interests to include LGBT gamers, and in that aspect they are quite lacking. Pretending that bisexual female characters who are exploited to appeal to certain straight male gamers first and to actual lesbian gamers second is not inclusive nor respectful to the LGBT community. Committing only token, stereotypical representations of same-sex relationships is not a bonus to LGBT gamers, it is a bonus to the segment of straight gamers who believe they are great people for supporting a product that seems to have room for everyone at first glance. That perception could not be farther from the truth. BioWare and some posters in this thread have made it quite clear that there is no room for equal LGBT representation, however they are quite content to believe that enough is enough. Indeed concessions are very taxing sacrifices, and if there were any being actually extended in this case I would have reasons to applaud BioWare for making a wise choice by refusing to bend to homophobic opinions. Sadly, BioWare bends to homophobic opinions. They and many people who support them believe in no room for gays.

As you said fantasy =/= reality, so you can obviously recognise the difference between the two, which means you should also be capable of understanding that a make believe video game is not a personal attack on your sexuality. So I ask you again why should Bioware have to ascribe an arbitrary quota in order to not offend you, and when I say you I really mean you specifically, since it's obvious by now that you're pretty much on your own when it comes to this.

I'm afraid you're incorrect, they do attack my sexuality by severely misrepresenting LGBT people in their products.

Yes he isn't  all out gay, but you can have monogamous gay relationship with him, which essentialy amounts to the same thing, so what's the issue?

How would it be gay? He isn't gay. How is it the same thing? He isn't gay, despite your suggestions.

Please recall that Zevran sleeps with female npcs and flirts with all the other party members. The issue of him not being gay is that BioWare will not allow any romance-viable characters to be gay. The reason for that is they choose to appease straight gamers' senses/replayability and various other factors first before considering the concerns of the gay gamers to any degree. This in turn leads to bisexual characters exploited for the enjoyment of portions of the straight gaming audience as priority, while LGBT gamers come second. In the meantime, BioWare claims that it includes gay romance. None of them are allowed to be gay, while BioWare relies on public ignorance to associate homosexuality with bisexuality as one in the same. The problem there is that BioWare is not acting in the best interests of LGBT representation.

The other problem here is that Zevran represents a lack of choices which straight PCs are not hindered by. This would be solved by having all the romance-viable npcs be bisexual to extend equal opportunities for all gamers, however it is BioWare's belief that there can be no room for straight and LGBT equality. Such a sentiment is popular among the public. Some are prejudiced, others are defeatist. Those who claim to be realists fail to see that they are both prejudiced and defeatist regarding this discrimination and misrepresentation.

First off in such a semi-hypothetical exercise the quality of the game itself takes first place, anything else is a bonus. Secondly as a straight male gamer, watching two fake lesbians go at it as opposed to one chick and one guy is just as -if not more- appealing --> in other words it's cute for all of two seconds and gets really boring really quickly. A non-issue is a non-issue, no matter which angle you try to look at it from.

I'm afraid that sidestepping a question does not make it go away. If you were in the position of a sexual minority who is not included by the mainstream media, it would be your misfortune to discover that much of what is produced is not to your taste. I apologize for trusting you to understand a hypothetical scenario.

I was referring to this lore: http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_Marriage . From what i've seen of people who are actually interested in the game and it's lore (ie: most normal RPG gamers here) the Dragon Age wiki constitutes a large part of the public face of DA, given that you know it comprised of information from DA, about DA, for those interested in DA.

It would appear the LGBT depictions in DA are just as unfortunate in the background as they are in the foreground. Regardless, the reviewer's assessment of the dwarven transvestite was accurate and is in accord with my opinion of BioWare's LGBT treatment.

The LGBT community are second-class citizens in DA.

[hexaligned]

Can this thread just die already? The OP has made it more than clear he just has a crush on a video game character. Everything he says is completely baseless, and driven by ego induced self dillusion. New topic : pancakes > waffles. I prefer mine with some sort of berry mixed into the batter.

[HeathenKing]

If gays should be treated equally in reality, why should they not be treated equally by their entertainment? Putting it as politely as I possibly can, you just sound like quite a c*nt.

Modifié par HeathenKing, 31 octobre 2009 - 01:28 .

[Iokastos]

close the thread please, too much hate and rambling ^^

[Red Viking]

TheDauntless wrote...

The fact of the the matter is that the straight and LGBT gamers are not on an equal footing, the market is largely dominated by straight gamers, and Bioware doesn't owe the LGBT gamers any special favours simply because they're there. They'll make a game designed to appeal to the largest segment of the market and anything extra -such as homosexual, bisexual and even to an extent hetero romances- is a bonus, the sooner you realise that the happier you'll be.

Unfortunately, BioWare opened the door to evaluation not only by depicting gay and bi sexualities(to varying degree), but beginning by having "tasteful, mature" romantic relationships in their games. Should they hope to bring in LGBT dollars it is in their best interests to include LGBT gamers, and in that aspect they are quite lacking. Pretending that bisexual female characters who are exploited to appeal to certain straight male gamers first and to actual lesbian gamers second is not inclusive nor respectful to the LGBT community. Committing only token, stereotypical representations of same-sex relationships is not a bonus to LGBT gamers, it is a bonus to the segment of straight gamers who believe they are great people for supporting a product that seems to have room for everyone at first glance. That perception could not be farther from the truth. BioWare and some posters in this thread have made it quite clear that there is no room for equal LGBT representation, however they are quite content to believe that enough is enough. Indeed concessions are very taxing sacrifices, and if there were any being actually extended in this case I would have reasons to applaud BioWare for making a wise choice by refusing to bend to homophobic opinions. Sadly, BioWare bends to homophobic opinions. They and many people who support them believe in no room for gays.

As you said fantasy =/= reality, so you can obviously recognise the difference between the two, which means you should also be capable of understanding that a make believe video game is not a personal attack on your sexuality. So I ask you again why should Bioware have to ascribe an arbitrary quota in order to not offend you, and when I say you I really mean you specifically, since it's obvious by now that you're pretty much on your own when it comes to this.

I'm afraid you're incorrect, they do attack my sexuality by severely misrepresenting LGBT people in their products.

Yes he isn't  all out gay, but you can have monogamous gay relationship with him, which essentialy amounts to the same thing, so what's the issue?

How would it be gay? He isn't gay. How is it the same thing? He isn't gay, despite your suggestions.

Please recall that Zevran sleeps with female npcs and flirts with all the other party members. The issue of him not being gay is that BioWare will not allow any romance-viable characters to be gay. The reason for that is they choose to appease straight gamers' senses/replayability and various other factors first before considering the concerns of the gay gamers to any degree. This in turn leads to bisexual characters exploited for the enjoyment of portions of the straight gaming audience as priority, while LGBT gamers come second. In the meantime, BioWare claims that it includes gay romance. None of them are allowed to be gay, while BioWare relies on public ignorance to associate homosexuality with bisexuality as one in the same. The problem there is that BioWare is not acting in the best interests of LGBT representation.

The other problem here is that Zevran represents a lack of choices which straight PCs are not hindered by. This would be solved by having all the romance-viable npcs be bisexual to extend equal opportunities for all gamers, however it is BioWare's belief that there can be no room for straight and LGBT equality. Such a sentiment is popular among the public. Some are prejudiced, others are defeatist. Those who claim to be realists fail to see that they are both prejudiced and defeatist regarding this discrimination and misrepresentation.

First off in such a semi-hypothetical exercise the quality of the game itself takes first place, anything else is a bonus. Secondly as a straight male gamer, watching two fake lesbians go at it as opposed to one chick and one guy is just as -if not more- appealing --> in other words it's cute for all of two seconds and gets really boring really quickly. A non-issue is a non-issue, no matter which angle you try to look at it from.

I'm afraid that sidestepping a question does not make it go away. If you were in the position of a sexual minority who is not included by the mainstream media, it would be your misfortune to discover that much of what is produced is not to your taste. I apologize for trusting you to understand a hypothetical scenario.

I was referring to this lore: http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_Marriage . From what i've seen of people who are actually interested in the game and it's lore (ie: most normal RPG gamers here) the Dragon Age wiki constitutes a large part of the public face of DA, given that you know it comprised of information from DA, about DA, for those interested in DA.

It would appear the LGBT depictions in DA are just as unfortunate in the background as they are in the foreground. Regardless, the reviewer's assessment of the dwarven transvestite was accurate and is in accord with my opinion of BioWare's LGBT treatment.

The LGBT community are second-class citizens in DA.

Again: You do not speak for the entire LGBT community, so please stop acting like you do.

[Ub3r_]

TheDauntless, im going to go so far to say YOU ARE A HETROPHOBE!!!



your actions clearly show that all you want in this world, as much as DA:O is for everyone to be available to you for your own advances. It is purely selfish on your part and NOT considerate to what anyone else is or thinks. You insult the very designers of this game because they designed specific characters with likes/dislikes, wants and needs, each unique to the character, you insult them by suggesting that every character should be open to everything the PLAYER wants, this relegates the NPC into the position of PROP and not a true character.



You want all characters to be bisexual, something totally unrealistic, for what reason? to satisfy your own desires over the rest of the community and more importantly to satisfy your own desires OVER THOSE OF THE CHARACTERS!



NEWSFLASH:

90% of the world is straight, 10% are LGBT, BISEXUALS are included in that 10%, not "100% of the world are Bisexual, but only 10% are L/G" I would be sorely offended as a straight male if there was no straight male representation in the game, because it would prove a massive misconception with the current world view. On the same note i would understand your issues if there was no possible gay romance, so long as there was a character that could fulfill that role. In the real world i would not date a Bisexual, so why would i even bother in a game? sure it might be a turn on to have a FFM encounter, but i actually value my sexuality and what it means, and if im with someone i am not going to want to 'share' because i feel that's giving away something that is meant to be intimate between two people.



TheDauntless you are obviously being completely unreasonable, and really are giving the gay community a bad name with your constant acting victimized, you need to get off your Hetrophobic high horse and come down to reality. Stop insulting the creators and writers by suggesting characters be probs for the players whimsy and enjoy the damn game