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[Rivina]

I am a *tiny* bit dissapointed that Bioware went with the somewhat more 'obvious' choice, but i'm confident that they can make it a well done side plot.

[Ailith Tycane]

I think thins quote best explains how I feel about the whole Zevran being a steryotype issue.

"In Dragon Age, character is ALWAYS first. For what it's worth, I'm a gay man, and and would rather see Bioware stay true to the character than veer away from consistency in the interests of defying stereotype. Besides, once you will play, I think you will understand than none of these characters are actually stereotypes--certainly not Zevran, who is, in my mind, in a class all his own...I think these minor issues are natural occurrences when the focus is on character, and not on defying sexual norms at the cost of consistency."

Modifié par Ailith430, 29 octobre 2009 - 10:51 .

[Darthnemesis2]

Quote from Gaider?

[NackterGolfer]

when developer time is money, and there are small amount of people who want a feature (2 options to engage a sexual relationship with another man) you simply think about if it's worth it.
If your small amount isn't big enough to make an impact, it gets cut out and I guess some Analytic pointed out it's only worth 1 option. Maybe a small amount of people is not satisfied by that, because they don't like the 1 option they get and will not buy the game. Is the loss resulting worth as much as developer time spended on the feature?

I see the point, if I like it or not. That's the reason there is only one option.

Do gays and lesbians get discriminated by that? Yes. Gays and lesbians seem to be a minority when it comes to gamers, so makes that your claim invalid? No. Does your outcry make sense? No.

The basic rules of capitalism are not going to change because someone argues on some forum, all you can do is go outside and start a revolution. Good luck with that.

So all the people including me completely wasted their time arguing on some irrelevant thing, just because you didn't like the 1 option you got and you complained about, before even getting to know these characters, apart from the 1 minute in the trailers you've seen. And is that 1 minute enough to make a judgement?

I am sad because there is no romancing option with Dog. If everyone could make the small step and love nature and its creatures, noone would care for same-sex-relationships anymore.

By the way, I am a male heterosexual, and have never harmed or abused an animal, except eating it or the occasional killing of flies and mosquitos. I think I went fishing once, so count in some fish.

[frano1]

the dauntless you are typical gay person...you never get enough...you want rights..we give them to you...then you want more rights...they put m/m romance option in game which is already far more than enough and you complain...so stop wanting gay dark fantasY game which i hope you will never get and dont buy the game and go play as gay in sims or smth...90% of the pps on this world are straight and the game is ofc for that majority not gay minority...tbh i am not homophobic at all..i dont care what you are doing in your private life...my moto is live and let others live...but stop asking too much...its shame that gay minority already dictates alot of rules for straight majority!..but NO YOU SHALL NOT GET GAY DAO...IT STOPS HERE...YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!

[Ailith Tycane]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Quote from Gaider?

No, some guy named Tom in the comments of an atricle about the romances, haha.

And Frano, I think you should try going over your post replacing the words "Gay" with "Black" and you'll see how narrow minded and archaic your reasoning is.

Modifié par Ailith430, 29 octobre 2009 - 11:26 .

[Darthnemesis2]

Ailith430 wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Quote from Gaider?

No, some guy named Tom in the comments of an atricle about the romances, haha.

Ah, I would have known it wasn't Gaider if my reading comprehension/recollection didn't suck. He says he's a gay man... and I don't think Gaider is.

[Daniel Secondthought]

frano1 wrote...

the dauntless you are typical gay person...you never get enough...you want rights..we give them to you...then you want more rights...they put m/m romance option in game which is already far more than enough and you complain...so stop wanting gay dark fantasY game which i hope you will never get and dont buy the game and go play as gay in sims or smth...90% of the pps on this world are straight and the game is ofc for that majority not gay minority...tbh i am not homophobic at all..i dont care what you are doing in your private life...my moto is live and let others live...but stop asking too much...its shame that gay minority already dictates alot of rules for straight majority!..but NO YOU SHALL NOT GET GAY DAO...IT STOPS HERE...YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!

Ignoring for the moment that the OP is *possibly* not as offended as they make to be, that they are *possibly* just being inflammatory to get a response from the forumites here, that they are *possibly* getting a sick sense of gratification from watching both the homophobic and open-minded subgroups duke it out for their amusement...

...even taking all this into account your post is wrong and offensive on so many levels, I literally do not know where to begin. Don't get me wrong, it's not the *worst* thing I've ever read, and you probably don't mean it to be malicious, but it is a prime example of how an otherwise well meaning person can put a boot on another person's neck and not even realise they are doing so.

[Arconi4n03]

Oeh, can I be in the open minded camp? I'll bring my own boxing gloves...I promise

[frano1]

Ailith430 wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Quote from Gaider?

No, some guy named Tom in the comments of an atricle about the romances, haha.

And Frano, I think you should try going over your post replacing the words "Gay" with "Black" and you'll see how narrow minded and archaic your reasoning is.

NONO..I AM REALLY NOT NAROWMINDED AND I AM EVEN TOO LIbERAL..I AM TOTALLY LIBERAL...BUT LISTEN..IF THE MAJORITY OF ppl who play this game is straight...then its normal that game will be straight...if for nothing then for marketing purposes...but bioware waws really nice and tryed to be nice to gay minority and add gay romanse and then he is COMPLAINING about how that is not enough...

thats is like:you hear a ring on the door
                     you open the door and there is a beggar and he wants some food
                     and you give him some bread and meat and something to drink
                     and HE TELLS YA:NO I DONT WANT THAT..I WANT PIZZA  AND LAMB MEAT NOT PORK!

POINT IS:be grateful

[Ailith Tycane]

I understood what you were trying to say, but the way you said it was incredibly pernicious towards gay people and you didn't even realize it. The feeling you gave off was "You're a minority, so you don't deserve the same privileges the straight majority get."



And your whole "Its shame that gay minority already dictates alot of rules for straight majority" sentiment was a little to Hitler-ish for my tastes. I have a strong feeling that English isnt your native language, so be much more careful about how you word things.

[Ub3r_]

im sure you can always come up with a "gay" mod that lets you romance every male in the game, from Zevran to hurlok alphas

[MikeSunrider]

The first sentence Frano1 posted was dead on though if he replaced typical with stereotypical (Oh the Irony). This was just a case of biting the hands that feeds you. Even though I agree with the views of the OP that Zevran seems like a stereotypical bi-man considering he is an elf, and elves have been the gay laughing stock of fantasy since the Lotr movies.



But he is overreacting, why should the game be catered to him personally? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from his post.

[MikeSunrider]

The first sentence Frano1 posted was dead on though if he replaced typical with stereotypical (Oh the Irony). This was just a case of biting the hands that feeds you. Even though I agree with the views of the OP that Zevran seems like a stereotypical bi-man considering he is an elf, and elves have been the gay laughing stock of fantasy since the Lotr movies.



But he is overreacting, why should the game be catered to him personally? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from his post.

[frano1]

the thing is we live in democracy(is it good or bad is open for a debate,are kings better?..in democracy you always live in normal mediocrciity...in kingdom you can have great king and live great and his idiotic son can ruin everything...and you die:D)...but we live in democracy...and democracy is all about rule of majority and making things that benefits that majority...ofc you have to respect minority and give them equal rights...but you cant let that minority to rule over majority by applying pressure about their rights all the time...if you ask me i dont have anything against gay ppl...i would give them the rights to marry and everything.i dont think they are bad or inferior ppl..but they must understand that they are minority and they must understand that DAO is made for majority and thus dont make silly complains about not good enough gay content...by putting gay content in the game bioware shows diversity and respect for gay pps and that is enough...ofc they will give more attention to straight relationships becouse majority off ppl playing are straight.

and yes i know that my pasot before was a lil bit rough on the endges but i just got annoyed sometimes..

and ye...english isnt my native language...i am from croatia:)

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Oh no, another disgruntled homosexual. This is going to bother Bioware soooo much... NOT.

[frano1]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Oh no, another disgruntled homosexual. This is going to bother Bioware soooo much... NOT.

heh agree

[frano1]

and for all you gay ppl somewhere here look at this and stop complaining..i think this is enough:D



bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/sex-and-the-single-dragon-age-hero.html

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Seriously, though. If Bioware had to cater to every single minority group it would take them another 10 years to incorporate it all. At least homosexuals GET a romance.



Maybe I should petition Bioware to include an S&M romance, I haven't seen that yet, have you? Would be my personal favourite. Or what about men who only like older women. Come on Bioware, where is the Wynne romance? Perhaps there are some posters here with a jeans fetish, so naturally there should be jeans in this game.

[BECC4]

It's not that long ago that women were in the minority and we whinged about not getting fair representation or opportunities in games and look how that turned out, unfortunately the fact is that the gay community is in the minority at least for now anyway, give it time, the fact that there is a M/M romance is a fair indication that they are at least considering the needs of as many different groups of people as possible, do you expect them to get everything right first time?



By not even being prepared to try out their offering how can you give constructive critism for the next attempt?



Or do you want them to abandon their attempts altogether for a minority group that can't be pleased?



Please don't misinterpret, I don't think they should abandon their attempts but by throwing a strop and refusing to even consider their efforts ........ well I just don't think it's the best method of getting your own way.

[SeanMurphy2]

It comes down to personal taste. There are posters complaining about no female elves or female warriors to romance. There might be heterosexual men and women that say they don't like either of their romance options.



Resources are always limited. In several Bioware games straight females have only had one romance option.

[KethWolfheart]

I can see this is another thread going nowhere. So to ignore most of the posts and just address the original posters statement.

As a member of the gay community I will say I would have preferred Alistair. I also think Zevran has some sterotypical traits that could have been avoided ...but he also has plenty of cool traits as well. For one he is an assassin, he is intelligent and handsome (if not as handsome as Alistair IMO).

The point of my post is to just state that you should not judge the entire GLBT community based on the OP's post. Some may feel put-out, I do not. I consider the fact that Bioware took the risk of adding in a solid m/m romance to be a major step and I am very happy about it regardless.

I do not say this because I wish to promote steretypes or because I feel I should gladly accept any "scraps" thrown my way, as I do not feel that is the case.

Instead I wish to fully support Bioware for adding the content in the first place and to show companies in general that it can be worthwhile and not hurt their business. I would prefer that they not regret their decision and instead see that it was accepted so that future content may slowly move forward and possibly be more robust.

Modifié par KethWolfheart, 29 octobre 2009 - 01:37 .

[KethWolfheart]

BECC4 wrote...

It's not that long ago that women were in the minority and we whinged about not getting fair representation or opportunities in games and look how that turned out, unfortunately the fact is that the gay community is in the minority at least for now anyway, give it time, the fact that there is a M/M romance is a fair indication that they are at least considering the needs of as many different groups of people as possible, do you expect them to get everything right first time?

By not even being prepared to try out their offering how can you give constructive critism for the next attempt?

Or do you want them to abandon their attempts altogether for a minority group that can't be pleased?

Please don't misinterpret, I don't think they should abandon their attempts but by throwing a strop and refusing to even consider their efforts ........ well I just don't think it's the best method of getting your own way.

Just to add this was also well put.  With the exception I would not say "a minority group that can't be pleased".  Please do not lump all GLBT folk in with the OP.

I think there should be *constructive" feedback on how it was implemented, but ranting about the fact that we got it in the first place is hardly constructive IMO.

[Ub3r_]

another thing to consider, think about it, all the men that gays might find attractive, only a tiny percent of those will be gay, the rest, not so gay. What if they made the gay character old and balding? what then? would the gay community complain because he wasn't attractive enough? or that Bioware thought so low of gays to give them the man that probably best represents 30% its target audience?

[DaySeeker]

Two things I'm sure have been said, One: I don't know enough about Zev to say if he is any kind of stereotype, Two: Hooray for the gay, it is fantastic to HAVE the option very often omitted from games. He may not be my type in the real world (again, gay guys don't have long hair), but I am excited about finding out more.