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[irvm89]

During Act 1, I made the decision to make her a Grey Warden. No big deal, I thought. This would be the best for her since she wouldn't be subject to Templar abuse or die to the taint.

During Act 2, I meet her and Alistair during the Qunari Invasion. I was expecting a somewhat happy reunion but she seemed angry. I've been playing a Diplomatic Hawke the entire game and reached full Friendship with her and did her Companion quest. I was pretty surprised by the reaction and I couldn't figure out why she seemed to behave like she had full Rivalry. Because there was nothing I could do, I moved into Act 3.

So in Act 3, I decide to take a look at my Codex entries for my companions. Understandably, she can't keep in touch a lot with her family. But the next line caught me off guard. She resents Hawke for making it out unscathed while she nearly died and only communicated with their mother. After I read that, I felt like making her into a Grey Warden was a bad decision for her.

It makes me wonder what her codex will say if she joins the Circle. Will she then resent Hawke for not bringing her along to the Expedition? Is the best decision really to just bring her and have her die to the taint?

[Emzamination]

Making her a warden is a horrible decision because your basically handing her an early death sentence and denying her the right to have children.

I'd rather her be a circle mage where shes at least still in kirkwall.

[lx_theo]

I know at the end of the game for when she joins the Circle, she says that she is actually happy because being in the Circle gave her a new understanding and view on the world. She seemed much happier than when she was a Grey Warden. Carver was more of the opposite.

[Captain_Obvious]

I had a smiliar response from Carver. His letter said something to the effect of "it's your fault I'm here after all." My previous playthrough he left and joined the Templars after I made him stay behind at the Deep Roads mission. If I had to pick one, the Warden route seems to be the less confrontational path, but the Templar/Circle options suck also.

With Bethany, I would probably go with the Circle for her from now on. She does not seem like she is cut out to be a Gray Warden, and is more relieved than anything else to finally be "caught."

Carver on the other hand, his ass is getting shipped to the Wardens from now on. He wanted to go so goddam bad, He can freaking deal with it. It's the only way he'll get what he wants and be out from under Hawke's shadow.

[Sweet Mango]

Wait, how do you make her a Grey Warden? Apparently I totally missed that option.

[Emzamination]

Sweet Mango wrote...

Wait, how do you make her a Grey Warden? Apparently I totally missed that option.

You must bring her and anders with you to the deep roads

[lx_theo]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

I had a smiliar response from Carver. His letter said something to the effect of "it's your fault I'm here after all." My previous playthrough he left and joined the Templars after I made him stay behind at the Deep Roads mission. If I had to pick one, the Warden route seems to be the less confrontational path, but the Templar/Circle options suck also.

With Bethany, I would probably go with the Circle for her from now on. She does not seem like she is cut out to be a Gray Warden, and is more relieved than anything else to finally be "caught."

Carver on the other hand, his ass is getting shipped to the Wardens from now on. He wanted to go so goddam bad, He can freaking deal with it. It's the only way he'll get what he wants and be out from under Hawke's shadow.

Carver actually has a change of heart when with the Grey Wardens. He thanks you by the end.

Sweet Mango wrote...

Wait, how do you make her a Grey Warden? Apparently I totally missed that option.

Bring both Anders and your sibling along for the Deep Roads expedition.

[Sweet Mango]

Emzamination wrote...

Sweet Mango wrote...

Wait, how do you make her a Grey Warden? Apparently I totally missed that option.

You must bring her and anders with you to the deep roads

Ah, I see. I never took Anders to the Deep Roads.

[Captain_Obvious]

lx_theo wrote...

Carver actually has a change of heart when with the Grey Wardens. He thanks you by the end.

Thank the Maker for that.  I really didn't like him as a Templar, and he seemed like he joined them solely out of spite.   Way to be your own man as the anti-Hawke, Carver.   

[TobiTobsen]

Let Bethany join the circle. She is way happier there than with the wardens. It ruins her life, she just want's to be normal. Being steril and a death with 40 isn't really normal after all. And she seems to suffer from the darkspawn nightmares constantly.

Just kill Alrik, side with the mages or rebell against Meredith decision to kill her at the end and she will be way better off compared to her as a warden.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 18 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[lx_theo]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Let Bethany join the circle. She is way happier there than with the wardens. It ruins her life, she just want's to be normal. Being steril and a death with 40 isn't really normal after all. And she seems to suffer from the darkspawn nightmares constantly.

Just kill Alrik, side with the mages or rebell against Meredith decision to kill her at the end and she will be way better off compared to her as a warden.

death at 40? Isn't she about 20 when the deep roads stuff happens?

[TobiTobsen]

lx_theo wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Let Bethany join the circle. She is way happier there than with the wardens. It ruins her life, she just want's to be normal. Being steril and a death with 40 isn't really normal after all. And she seems to suffer from the darkspawn nightmares constantly.

Just kill Alrik, side with the mages or rebell against Meredith decision to kill her at the end and she will be way better off compared to her as a warden.

death at 40? Isn't she about 20 when the deep roads stuff happens?

Make it 50 then

[PantheraOnca]

lx_theo wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Let Bethany join the circle. She is way happier there than with the wardens. It ruins her life, she just want's to be normal. Being steril and a death with 40 isn't really normal after all. And she seems to suffer from the darkspawn nightmares constantly.

Just kill Alrik, side with the mages or rebell against Meredith decision to kill her at the end and she will be way better off compared to her as a warden.

death at 40? Isn't she about 20 when the deep roads stuff happens?

if anders is in your party in the deep roads with your sibling, your sibling doesn't die and instead becomes a warden (or can, if you so choose).

making her a warden ensures an early death (at around 40 yrs old, not in the deep roads when you are on the expidition).

[errant_knight]

lx_theo wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

I had a smiliar response from Carver. His letter said something to the effect of "it's your fault I'm here after all." My previous playthrough he left and joined the Templars after I made him stay behind at the Deep Roads mission. If I had to pick one, the Warden route seems to be the less confrontational path, but the Templar/Circle options suck also.

With Bethany, I would probably go with the Circle for her from now on. She does not seem like she is cut out to be a Gray Warden, and is more relieved than anything else to finally be "caught."

Carver on the other hand, his ass is getting shipped to the Wardens from now on. He wanted to go so goddam bad, He can freaking deal with it. It's the only way he'll get what he wants and be out from under Hawke's shadow.

Carver actually has a change of heart when with the Grey Wardens. He thanks you by the end.

Sweet Mango wrote...

Wait, how do you make her a Grey Warden? Apparently I totally missed that option.

Bring both Anders and your sibling along for the Deep Roads expedition.

Yeah, by the end, Carver basically tells you that being a warden is what he was meant to do.

[Virginian]

Grey Wardens aren't sterile read the books and stop spreading false hoods. Fiona an Elven Grey Warden Mage has King Maric's baby in Dragon Age: The Calling.

As for Bethany and the Wardens she forgives by the end and even rejoins your party for the final fight and any DLC stuff you can do after the game is finished.

Modifié par Virginian, 18 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[TobiTobsen]

Virginian wrote...

Grey Wardens aren't sterile read the books and stop spreading false hoods. Fiona an Elven Grey Warden Mage has King Maric's baby in Dragon Age: The Calling.

As for Bethany and the Wardens she forgives by the end and even rejoins your party for the final fight and any DLC stuff you can do after the game is finished.

Okay. Didn't read that book. But wasn't saying Alistair something about that when he dumps a female warden if he is made king? *shrugs*

[Foolsfolly]

Bethany has a lot of dialogue early on about how she wished she wasn't a mage and could have that fabled 'Normal Life' thing.

Making her a Warden strips every illusion she had at ever leading a normal life. She's in the Wardens, her powers must be used, and she's constantly fighting and moving around. She'll never stay in one place for long, and as the years go on she'll start hearing the Call and will die young and alone.

The Wardens are a death sentence. You die to save lives. And this has been put upon her, she did not choose it. And all she did was the same thing Hawke did except Hawke becomes a noble with money.

I'd resent Hawke too.

I haven't turned Carver into a Warden yet, but since he kept talking about how he wanted to get out of Hawke's shadow and be his own man....maybe the Wardens are a better fit for him. But who knows, he dislikes Hawke and could hate Hawke for becoming a Warden as well.

But I think he'd enjoy being someone important doing the whole Save the World act. Bethany'd like nothing more than to settle down and be normal.

[Virginian]

Alistair says he never knew a Grey Warden who had children after he/she became a Grey Warden only those who had children before he/she became a Grey Warden. He also said it would be hard to have a child as a Grey Warden with a non Grey Warden and it would be harder if father and mother were both Grey Wardens he never said it would be impossible.

[Adon 9]

Honestly, I think Bethany's reaction is both unfair to Hawke but very human. It's a case of looking at the situation without taking Hawke's perspective into account.

First, it is possible or even likely that the main reason Hawke brings her to the Deep Roads is because Bethany protests so vehemently to her mother's desire to have her left behind. In my own playthrough, that is the main reason I brought her... of my companions she was the one who *really* wanted to go. If she wasn't so gung ho about it, I would have gladly left her behind and sighed with relief that she was out of danger.

Then she got ill with taint. Hawke is faced with a quandry -- do I have her become a Grey Warden, knowing it's a harsh and fairly short life, or let her die here and now? While the Warden's life can't exactly be called a pleasant one, it doesn't have to be completely miserable -- look at DA:O for possibilities of Wardens making the most of what time they have.

So her cool reception of Hawke in the Qunari uprising strikes me as lingering sour grapes. Hawke isn't blameless -- in the end it WAS Hawke's decision to have her come or not, but basically no matter what he/she did it would leave a family member unhappy. Bethany has lost her chance at normalcy... but she's also the one who was adamant about coming along to the deep roads. She's obviously not happy to be a Warden, and Hawke's a convenient target for her ire about that. It is sad though that it took her so long to let it go. Hawke was saving her LIFE... can she honestly say she'd rather have died?

[Freestorm Skinn]

When you read Bethany's codex entry, it says that she really looks up to Hawke, so her saying she wants to go on the expedition to the Deep Roads might be because she feels obligated to her older sibling.

[kingsims]

The circle is the best choice and she ends up coming with you if you side with the mages anyways at the end and she is free again but now with a champion of kirk wall to back her up. All the templars were freaked at the end of meredith and didn't want to mess with hawke. i got 40 hours of of DA2 compared to 60 with DA:O.

[Quill74Pen]

This whole thing of an early death as a Grey Warden due to the Taint and whatnot is wrong.

Most "normal" folks in the Medieval Age — the setting in which Dragon Age occurs — were lucky to live into their 40s or 50s if they were lucky. So if a "normal" woman is turned into a Grey Warden at age 20 or 22, she's not going to die earlier than the "normals" due to the Taint. With or without the Taint, she will live just as long as a "normal" woman.

Well, unless she gets skewered by a darkspawn.

Quill74Pen

[EricHVela]

"Better to kill 'em now and get it over with." -Montgomery Scott, Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country

Don't bother saving them. Problem solved.

[Clonedzero]

with carver he seems to resent you for it at first. but at the end of the game he forgave me and realized it finally gave him the purpose he was looking for. then we bro-hugged and killed a whole ton of templars together.

[Aggie Punbot]

Does Hawke even know about the shortened lifespan aspect of Grey Wardens? Or even the lowered birth rate part? Anders was deliberately vague about what exactly Grey Wardens suffer from when they join the order.