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[Emzamination]

Oneiropolos wrote...

The Wardens DO have a lower rate of conception than others, but Alistair points out when he tries to dump you in the first game that part of his motivation is also having -a parent be around to raise the child-. Which doesn't happen with Wardens as they start being lost to the taint and go to their Calling to at least die in battle.

However, now that all circles are rebelling, any mage that's a known mage is a potential target. Bethany would still be constantly fleeing or fighting now. Anders also proved that one could, in fact, leave the Grey Wardens. You can't stop what you ARE, but you CAN leave. Bethany could very well take that choice later, marry, and adopt a kid if they can't conceive. If she wanted to. Don't forget that Avernus was also working on some interesting methods of trying to make the taint not such an issue. Those who let him live deliver a letter to the Wardens from him, where he says he's reaching the end of his time but he's documented things extensively so that someone would be able to follow his findings and continue the research. Who knows. Avernus was mostly focussed on unlocking the potential of the taint, but in doing so, he may find a way (or lead another to find the way) to negate the whole going-to-die-from-it in his research. Being a Warden might NOT be just a unique death sentence soon. Of course, if you killed him and picked Sophia..uh...things might turn out really differently in your future. >.>

Alistair is full of bs and just didn't want to share power.

He also forgets that he stated earlier that wardens live for 30 years.

If his child still needs its mother in its late twenties then somethings wrong.

Modifié par Emzamination, 19 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[JedTed]

If i had to choose between Circle, Death, or Grey Warden, i think Bethany would be happier at the Circle. In her letter she talks about tutoring young mages which she seems to enjoy. Maybe she can even become First Enchanter someday(are there female First Enchanters?)

As for Carver, i'm not sure as i haven't played much as a mage but i figure he could do a lot more good as a Grey Warden than a Templar.

[Wulfram]

JedTed wrote...
. Maybe she can even become First Enchanter someday(are there female First Enchanters?)

Wynne's offered the job, I believe.

[TheBlackBaron]

If it it were ANY other Circle than the one in Kirkwall, I'd have to give some serious thought to the Circle option for Beth. But as it is, given everything that winds up happening (this is metagaming, of course, but so is the entire decision), that just seems like a death sentence to me. The mages are kept in a former slave holding area, guarded in the sense that an NKVD officer guarded a gulag by an oppresively zealous and slowly-going-insane Templar Knight Commander, with blood magic infesting their ranks and corruption leading all the way up to the First Enchanter, in a city where the Veil is known to be thin and carrying greatly increased risk of demonic possession.

Even if you side with the mages at the end, that just puts her right back at square one. With the Circles across Thedas rising up, the Templars are pretty much going to adopt a policy of "kill 'em all and let the Maker sort 'em out" out of necessity.

Being in the Wardens may permanently shatter any hope she may have had of being "normal" of course, but that was honestly never anything more than a fantasy anyways. You're a mage, you're never going to be normal, so you may as well do the best you can with the time you've got, and being in the Wardens is the best opportunity for her to finally comes to terms with her magic. And it removes her fear of being captured or having to keep moving and thus harming the rest of the Hawke family.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 19 mars 2011 - 11:57 .

[Mr Plow]

I think The Circle for a while was the best choice for Bethany

[Chuvvy]

She blames you for your mothers death. She was sort of ****y to me during Act II and I sent her to the circle. Also sending her to the circle is the best choice, if your going to side with the mages. +1 for drama.

[TobiTobsen]

Slidell505 wrote...

She blames you for your mothers death. She was sort of ****y to me during Act II and I sent her to the circle. Also sending her to the circle is the best choice, if your going to side with the mages. +1 for drama.

I like the send bethany to the Circle/Side with Templars Drama even more. Perfect reason to turn on Meredith. "She is no Blood Mage! And my Sister! **** you Meredith! Enough is Enough!" And Cullen even agrees with you

[Funker Shepard]

Getting her into the circle is probably initially better to her, but considering how things go later in the story, she might be better off as a Warden, outside the circle/templar conflict.

I'm going to keep a save for both alternatives.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's kind of hard to call sending the sibling to the Wardens a death sentence when the choices at that point are (a) dying now or ( dying in twenty years or so. Since there was no choice of 'live a natural life' in the context here, it's not like the sibling would hve lived a full, healthy life were it not for Hawke.

They'd be dead. Now.

[JulianoV]

[HUGE ENDGAME SPOILERS]

The Wardens have a noble purpose. Circle Mages sit around all day until the definitive outbreak. Making her join the Wardens is giving her a shot at immunity and serving a bigger purpose than the whole "mages are opressed HENCE they turn into Blood Mages/templars opress mages HENCE they turn to blood magic"(myself strongly believing the latter is the most common situation in both Thedas and Kirkwall. Tevinter is just screwed up).

That's the greatest gripe I had with this game. Hawke is a Fereldan who's fighting for a home that's not even his, with no leader he can relate to. He is a powerhungry genocidal steamroller who walked around through 90% of the game covered in human blood. From beggining to end he's on a noble journey to get rich so he can become nobility.

Getting Bethany into the Grey Wardens made me feel like the family could eventually develop somewhat of an objective CAUSE. An altruistic one, I mean. Even Leandra from beggining to end spent the whole game either complaining about your (non-existant) responsibility for your sibling near suicide and whining about wanting to be rich again, after spending 30 years living humbly and on the run.

[Annarl]

She does seem happier in the Circle than in the Grey Wardens. She's described as being sensitive and thoughtful. I don't think the Warden life of fighting is really for her. Heck, it's better than death but having seen both options now any of my next play through she will join the circle.

[durasteel]

Quill74Pen wrote...

This whole thing of an early death as a Grey Warden due to the Taint and whatnot is wrong.

Most "normal" folks in the Medieval Age — the setting in which Dragon Age occurs — were lucky to live into their 40s or 50s if they were lucky. So if a "normal" woman is turned into a Grey Warden at age 20 or 22, she's not going to die earlier than the "normals" due to the Taint. With or without the Taint, she will live just as long as a "normal" woman.

Well, unless she gets skewered by a darkspawn.

Quill74Pen

Actually, this is a misperception based on "average life expenctancy."  Infant and early childhood mortality rates were very high, and there was another spike of injury-related deaths in the late teens/early twenties.  Women died in childbirth much more frequently, as well.  Once a person survived into his or her 30s, however, it was not uncommon for him or her to live to a ripe old age, 60s or 70s.