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[Sen4lifE]

But at sometimes, you don't actually a get a choice, which is a bit annoying, because personally, I'm straight.

This should go if you're gay and want to be without hitting on someone of the opposite sex.

It's frankly bad work of the conversation wheel.  I've been experiencing it a lot lately.


Really, the sentences wrote sometimes have abo****ely NO resemblance to what is actually said, and can really be irritating.  If it wasn't for the little icon in the center, I'd get really frustrated.

Here's what I'm talking about:

When you talk to Anders after you get back.  If you just want to learn your companions and NOT hit on them, you can not with him, unless you ****** him off, there is NO way of winning.

Blah blah, being weighty last time we talked, blah blah

1) Be a good friend
2) Make a sarcastic joke that pisses him off
3) Be an ass, make him mad

He talks

#) Hit on him
1) Encourage him like a friend
2) Be sarcastic, ****** him off
3) Be a jerk, ****** him off

He hits on you

You can:

1) Refuse, because you don't roll that way or don't want him and ****** HIM OFF with a, was it -10 or -15?
2) Hit on him
3) Hit on him

Okay, that's a what the **** moment for me.  With Zevran, if you just wanted to be friendly, you could tell him so without losing a ****-ton of influence.  If you seduced him and broke up with him, that's one thing.  But what the ****? He wasn't even remotely gay in Awakening, now you can't even avoid flirting with him while trying to make friends?

Seriously, this actually pisses me off a little, because I have to potentially ruin any other romance option just to try to learn one of my companions?  What kind of freedom is that?

Really, you can't say pretty much what you did with Zevran, whatever but I don't go that way?


I'm not intending to offend anyone of the homosexual orientation: this should go for any way, I just don't know if this is an isolated incident or if it happens with all companions.


Edit 20110325 CST:

I feel it necessary to set some rules down in the original post of this thread to try to avoid objective opinions about homosexuality which violate the terms of using this forum and what this forum is about. Note that a moderator does have the right to close this thread if it becomes more about that than the issue of dialogue option or what you think of this situation.

This thread is created to solely discuss your opinion on this situation or situations like these and what you think of the choices presented to you as a player at the time of these conversations. It is not to discuss whether or not homosexuality is religiously, morally or politically acceptable. If you have opinions you'd like to discuss about homosexuality, this thread is not the thread to do such in, and this forum is not the forum to do such in.

This does go both ways: just because you are gay or straight does not elevate you above these rules in that this thread is not to discuss if homosexuality should be allowed in this game or homosexuals are oppressed. If you would luck to discuss such things, again, do not do it here. This is not concerning whether homosexuality is a "choice" or "accident of birth" (note that I quote) but it is about this situation and related situations within the game.

If you have disbelief in the intent of this thread, you are allowed your opinion but please bring it up in private messages as I will be willing to discuss it, however, this thread is not designed to detest the validity of opinions on such situations as this because it is a homosexual encounter.

If you feel yet compelled to bring up any of these above discussions in this thread and not elsewhere, I can not stop you, but I ask that you at least make it relevant to the topic.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 25 mars 2011 - 06:20 .

[Nimpe]

You don't have to be gay. But Anders is gay, and he hits on you. It's realistic. Everyone isn't going to wait for you to get romantic.

And if you flirt with someone you like, and they deny it, you're going to feel upset.

Modifié par Nimpe, 18 mars 2011 - 09:34 .

[Lord_Saulot]

When someone hits on you and you reject them, they usually don't like that.

But guess what, they can get over it, especially if you build a friendship in the future.

That is how it works in this game. I turned Anders down, and then built up a friendship afterwards.

[Taleroth]

Nimpe wrote...

And if you flirt with someone you like, and they deny it, you're going to feel upset.

Not a real man!
*flex*
Pfft.  Getting upset when someone turns you down.  Not that I know what getting turned down is like.
*secretly cries*

Modifié par Taleroth, 18 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[vigna]

Gay guys generally don't randomly hit on guys they think are straight though unless it's to see how homophobic they are. That's my experience.

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

Maybe Anders is just the pushy sort. There are some people in real life that you have to shut down hard to get them to stop hitting on you.

[Cutlass Jack]

Its funny that that no one complains about Isabella showing up at your house even if you don't flirt with her. But giving a slightly negative comment to Anders is somehow forcing it on you.

Seriously though, its completely easy to end the relationship before it ever starts and still be best friends with him. The rivalry hit you take is minor. And one of the later the blackheart lines (which just means 'no I dont want a relationship') ends it with no hit at all.

[Marionetten]

It's just Anders. He's somewhat of a prat so it fits his personality.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Its funny that that no one complains about Isabella showing up at your house even if you don't flirt with her.

Don't even get me started on that...

Modifié par Marionetten, 18 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[Sen4lifE]

No, you DO have to be gay if you DON'T want to ****** him off (lose influence).

I've repeated the conversation multiple times with different combinations to try to avoid it. If you don't flirt with him back, or try to say you're not interested, you lose about 10-15 influence.

You can NOT say anything like you're just not interested: you can be a dick about it or flirt with them.

The point that makes me angry about this situation is that it is very black and white. It's not like with Zevran where you can just accept that they're gay and just be friends, like you can in real life, there is no just tolerating it. You HAVE to flirt with him or you HAVE to be somewhat rude and lose influence (he feels like you're trying to control what he feels).

It's a very big oversight and kind of petty because there is no "gray zone" there. You're gay or your an ass. It really make me go WTF?

[Nimpe]

Sen4lifE wrote...

No, you DO have to be gay if you DON'T want to ****** him off (lose influence).

I've repeated the conversation multiple times with different combinations to try to avoid it. If you don't flirt with him back, or try to say you're not interested, you lose about 10-15 influence.

You can NOT say anything like you're just not interested: you can be a dick about it or flirt with them.

The point that makes me angry about this situation is that it is very black and white. It's not like with Zevran where you can just accept that they're gay and just be friends, like you can in real life, there is no just tolerating it. You HAVE to flirt with him or you HAVE to be somewhat rude and lose influence (he feels like you're trying to control what he feels).

It's a very big oversight and kind of petty because there is no "gray zone" there. You're gay or your an ass. It really make me go WTF?

You can get the 10 friendship rating back from one or two quests just generally being nice and sparing whoever it is. Anders usually approves this. Bonus if person is a mage.

Modifié par Nimpe, 18 mars 2011 - 09:39 .

[Taleroth]

You're taking a minor influence loss as more than it is.

[Galad22]

Sen4lifE wrote...

No, you DO have to be gay if you DON'T want to ****** him off (lose influence).

I've repeated the conversation multiple times with different combinations to try to avoid it. If you don't flirt with him back, or try to say you're not interested, you lose about 10-15 influence.

You can NOT say anything like you're just not interested: you can be a dick about it or flirt with them.

The point that makes me angry about this situation is that it is very black and white. It's not like with Zevran where you can just accept that they're gay and just be friends, like you can in real life, there is no just tolerating it. You HAVE to flirt with him or you HAVE to be somewhat rude and lose influence (he feels like you're trying to control what he feels).

It's a very big oversight and kind of petty because there is no "gray zone" there. You're gay or your an ass. It really make me go WTF?

Take the loss of influence like a man, you both can get over it I am sure.

There is enough friendship points to get over it really.

Like other have said it is realistic that Anders feels a little let down.

[Sen4lifE]

vigna wrote...

Gay guys generally don't randomly hit on guys they think are straight though unless it's to see how homophobic they are. That's my experience.

You would be so so amazed.. there are plenty of gay guys here that flirt with straight guys just to flirt.  Like guys flirt with girls they know they'll never get..

What upsets me is that you don't just turn him down, and he doesn't get mad that you turn him down, he gets mad that you act like you're trying to control him, like you try to tell him not to be gay.  Like I said, there's no grey area in it. 

[HyperLimited]

It's just -10 in rivalry, something minimal that early in the game, there's plenty of oppurtunities to gain his approval and friendship, or if you want him as a rival, you get there sooner with a head start.

[Orist24]

It's fine. Quit whining and get some friendship points later.

[marshalleck]

I think OP should just try it, he might like it.

[Sen4lifE]

Mk, obviously you missed the point. It's not the negative influence, it's the horrible and very biased choices you get in that situation, especially compared to Zevran in DA:O, what happened to that style of writing?

[marshalleck]

You mean the writing for Zevran that got a bunch of brosephs in a same-sex romance with him, who then freaked out all ovr the forums about how they aren't gay, bro?

[thegreateski]

It's hard to not be gay in this game when there are icons next to what will be said that let you know if something is romantic or not?

Strange.

Modifié par thegreateski, 18 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[Orist24]

I get what the point you are trying to convey. But the ACTUAL point is that personalities are supposed to be different. Anders and Isabella are of the impulsive, brazen, and very up front sort. Its not actually about being gay, that's his personality. He just happens to be gay. It isn't that big of a deal.

[Sen4lifE]

marshalleck wrote...

You mean the writing for Zevran that got a bunch of brosephs in a same-sex romance with him, who then freaked out all ovr the forums about how they aren't gay, bro?

Either your intentionally trying to start an argument or do not have the mental integrity to understand the point made here.

[Sen4lifE]

thegreateski wrote...

It's hard to not be gay in this game when there are icons next to what will be said that let you know if something is romantic or not?

Strange.

Someone didn't read the post.

There are two options to be romantic, one option to be a douche bag.  No options to just be rather neutral about it.  In the instance with Zevran, you could just accept it, and move on.

It's poor writing in my opinion, it doesn't reflect what could happen in a real situation.

Orist24 wrote...

I get what the point you are trying to
convey. But the ACTUAL point is that personalities are supposed to be
different. Anders and Isabella are of the impulsive, brazen, and very up
front sort. Its not actually about being gay, that's his personality.
He just happens to be gay. It isn't that big of a deal.

He gets mad, because you basically tell him to stop being gay.

There's either try to seduce him, or tell him to stop being gay.  I've met plenty of gay guys, and in real life it's the same thing you get to say to Zevran summorized by, "It doesn't bother me, but I'm not gay."  Not, "No, now stop acting gay because I don't like it" or "Hey, let's jump into bed together."

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 18 mars 2011 - 09:54 .

[thegreateski]

Sen4lifE wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

It's hard to not be gay in this game when there are icons next to what will be said that let you know if something is romantic or not?

Strange.

There are two options to be romantic, one option to be a douche bag.  No options to just be rather neutral about it.  In the instance with Zevran, you could just accept it, and move on.

It's poor writing in my opinion, it doesn't reflect what could happen in a real situation.

I never ran across this problem. You must have had a different dialouge path than me.

I only ran into one spot where the dialouge tree disappointed me.

[Orist24]

But Anders isn't based off of your friends or gay guys you meet. He is supposed to be his own person. That involves being pushy. That's him.