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[randallman]

HTTP 404 wrote...


Justice is the one thats gay, he's the one that was in a man in Awakenings afterall.  kidding.

honestly, i think it has a little bit to do with Bioware filling in the gay relationship demand. Overall, there isnt much choice in LIs, I kind of wish there were non companion LIs but alas only people who fight are the only ones worthy of love.

Firstly, Im no homophobe.  I've got friends who are openly gay, though none who are 'bi' that I am aware of.

Secondly, allow me to repeat this statistic again.  Exit polls in the 2008 US election indicated just over 4% of the US Population was openly gay.  If that number were double (adjusting for people who didn't want to admit it), it would be 8%.  Surely not a large enough % of the population to make half of the potential romantic encounters in a video game gay-centric.

Sorry, I'm not buying it...

--Randall

[Chaos_1001]

OK....for the second time....



1. Stay on topic for the love of "insert favorite action hero here":
2. This is a GAME not REAL LIFE. quit making justifications / remarks connecting the two
3. POLITICAL statements and or RELIGION does not belong on this forum, ANYWHERE !

[randallman]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

OK....for the second time....



1. Stay on topic for the love of "insert favorite action hero here":
2. This is a GAME not REAL LIFE. quit making justifications / remarks connecting the two
3. POLITICAL statements and or RELIGION does not belong on this forum, ANYWHERE !

What?

We're so culturaly biased that if we (the humans posting here) wish to say anything disparaging about the homosexual LIs in the game, we're homophobic pariahs.  This is why it seems somewhat germane to indicate that we arent in fact homophobic.

Furthermore, the decision to include homosexual LIs clearly isnt driven by some 'Dragon Age Lore', rather some social pressure from... WAIT FOR IT...






REALITY.

As a result, I will fully disregard your comments surrounding what we should and should not post in this thread (or any other).

So without further adeu - EOF

--Randall

[Medhia Nox]

Randallman - you say "The percentage is not enough to merit homosexual relationships."

Then you say: "Inclusion of homosexual LI's are due to pressure from reality."

Which is it? Your New Gay Overlords are confused at what you're thinking - but know that we care.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 22 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[randallman]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Randallman - you say "The percentage is not enough to merit homosexual relationships."

Then you say: "Inclusion of homosexual LI's are due to pressure from reality."

Which is it? Your New Gay Overlords are confused at what you're thinking - but know that we care.

It's both...  Even though 4 to 8% of the U.S. are openly gay/bi as per exit polling at elections, gay marriage is such a huge issue that it can change and has, in some instances, changed the tides of politics across the country.

But anyway, I'm glad you care   It's actually made my day.

--Randall

[Chaos_1001]

randallman ...

my personal choices of relationships " in game " were 90 % homosexual. I myself (as a person ) am very open to various viewpoints..but that is real life. again... real life has absolutly no bearing on a WAIT FOR IT ...




GAME !

It is unprofessional not to mention "completly off topic " to discuss real life scenarios just because there is the option of choice of said relationships within the game .AND for the record I'm not telling you what to post or not to post . "rather" more to the point trying to keep the topic on topic of the choices concerning relationships within the game. It is an interesting topic with great ideas. You for instance know nothing about me other than what I have let you to " believe" you know about me.I never discussed to anyone here myself personally or my orientation OR the real kicker ( my gender)

[Hoogies123]

Maybe justice is making him gay. Hehehehe!

[randallman]

Regarding this topic, game and reality are fully inseperable.  The content only exists because of social perceptions that it's becoming 'OK' to include this type of content and because of social pressure to decrease inequities between the sexual orientations.  And frankly it was overdone, the incidence of 'homosexual tendencies' overstated vs. ''real world numbers', and I don't play video games to experience being hit on by others of the same gender.

Let me ask you this, how many video games were made where there were 'Gay love interests' available in 1996?  1986?

--Randall

Chaos_1001 wrote...

randallman ...

my personal choices of relationships " in game " were 90 % homosexual. I myself (as a person ) am very open to various viewpoints..but that is real life. again... real life has absolutly no bearing on a WAIT FOR IT ...




GAME !

It is unprofessional not to mention "completly off topic " to discuss real life scenarios just because there is the option of choice of said relationships within the game .AND for the record I'm not telling you what to post or not to post . "rather" more to the point trying to keep the topic on topic of the choices concerning relationships within the game. It is an interesting topic with great ideas. You for instance know nothing about me other than what I have let you to " believe" you know about me.I never discussed to anyone here myself personally or my orientation OR the real kicker ( my gender)

[Chaos_1001]

randallman wrote...

Regarding this topic, game and reality are fully inseperable.  The content only exists because of social perceptions that it's becoming 'OK' to include this type of content and because of social pressure to decrease inequities between the sexual orientations.  And frankly it was overdone, the incidence of 'homosexual tendencies' overstated vs. ''real world numbers', and I don't play video games to experience being hit on by others of the same gender.

Let me ask you this, how many video games were made where there were 'Gay love interests' available in 1996?  1986?

--Randall

Chaos_1001 wrote...

randallman ...

my personal choices of relationships " in game " were 90 % homosexual. I myself (as a person ) am very open to various viewpoints..but that is real life. again... real life has absolutly no bearing on a WAIT FOR IT ...




GAME !

It is unprofessional not to mention "completly off topic " to discuss real life scenarios just because there is the option of choice of said relationships within the game .AND for the record I'm not telling you what to post or not to post . "rather" more to the point trying to keep the topic on topic of the choices concerning relationships within the game. It is an interesting topic with great ideas. You for instance know nothing about me other than what I have let you to " believe" you know about me.I never discussed to anyone here myself personally or my orientation OR the real kicker ( my gender)

I am not saying one way or the other about your ( human rights ) choices within the game. My focus in this topic alone was to not have it turned into a gay vs straight debate  ! Trust me on this lil detail... the moderators are actively watching THIS thread. In short, stay on topic or they will without notice lock it .

[randallman]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

I am not saying one way or the other about your ( human rights ) choices within the game. My focus in this topic alone was to not have it turned into a gay vs straight debate  ! Trust me on this lil detail... the moderators are actively watching THIS thread. In short, stay on topic or they will without notice lock it .

No, I totally agree - this should not be about gay vs. straight.  That's a non-starter nor is it relevant to the forums as you eluded to previously.  What was interesting to me is that arguably unnecessary changes were made to the game to cater to the personal preferences of 4 to 8 % of the population.  Furthermore, those changes could be considered NEGATIVE changes to some material percentage of the population.  If the critics panned Mass Effect as a 'lewd sex-induced game', you know that the conservatives among us will be writing all sorts of negative things about THIS game.

An interesting decision indeed.

I find myself wondering why they bother including love interests at all...

Wikipedia wrote...
On January 21, 2008, a Fox News segment "The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum" discussed Mass Effect[97]
with the heading "'SE'XBOX?' New video game shows full digital nudity
and sex." MacCallum stated that the game "leaves nothing to the
imagination" and features "the ability for players to engage in full
graphic sex" where the player gets to decide what happens

--Randall

Modifié par randallman, 22 mars 2011 - 06:36 .

[Medhia Nox]

I agree with that Randallman - I think Bioware might thing about making their next franchise have no love interests.

My mammy always told me: "If you didn't bring enough candy to share with the whole class, you can't share with just your friends."

My mammy is a wise mammy - her name is Flemeth, and you don't want to disagree with Flemeth.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

I understant the OP's point, even if I don't agree.

[Satyricon331]

randallman wrote...
No, I totally agree - this should not be about gay vs. straight.  That's a non-starter nor is it relevant to the forums as you eluded to previously.  What was interesting to me is that arguably unnecessary changes were made to the game to cater to the personal preferences of 4 to 8 % of the population.  Furthermore, those changes could be considered NEGATIVE changes to some material percentage of the population.  If the critics panned Mass Effect as a 'lewd sex-induced game', you know that the conservatives among us will be writing all sorts of negative things about THIS game.

And just how many of those cultural conservatives are going to dislike the game solely for its bisexual content, and not also for its graphic violence (okay, bad example), irreligiousness, use of dark magic, casual use of demons, or other things that would give my fundamentalist father a heart attack?  That percentage of the population, libertarian and permissive to anything except same-sex relationships, is very, very tiny indeed.  Meanwhile, the actual cultural conservatives will dislike it anyway.  Your argument is incoherent.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

OK....for the second time....



1. Stay on topic for the love of "insert favorite action hero here":
2. This is a GAME not REAL LIFE. quit making justifications / remarks connecting the two
3. POLITICAL statements and or RELIGION does not belong on this forum, ANYWHERE !

Paul Blart forum cop. Give this guy a mod badge. 

-Polite

[thegrimfandango]

thegreateski wrote...

It's hard to not be gay in this game when there are icons next to what will be said that let you know if something is romantic or not?

Strange.

This. The icon is a big goddamn heart, you can just not pick it.

[Chaos_1001]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

OK....for the second time....



1. Stay on topic for the love of "insert favorite action hero here":
2. This is a GAME not REAL LIFE. quit making justifications / remarks connecting the two
3. POLITICAL statements and or RELIGION does not belong on this forum, ANYWHERE !

Paul Blart forum cop. Give this guy a mod badge. 

-Polite

/sigh.... Again :

This thread has some very interesting and constructive content within it. I attempted to to keep it on track for those reasons. Like I mentioned earlier, this thread in particular is being watched closely because of the controversial content. If a moderator thinks for a second that it is about to get out of hand ...Instant Thread Lock , no warning or comments just a lock...

[Zinou]

Whatever, Isabela is where it's at.

[Paraxial]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Randallman - you say "The percentage is not enough to merit homosexual relationships."

Then you say: "Inclusion of homosexual LI's are due to pressure from reality."

Which is it? Your New Gay Overlords are confused at what you're thinking - but know that we care.

Gay overlords?

Fabulous

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 22 mars 2011 - 11:05 .

[Cody211282]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Randallman - you say "The percentage is not enough to merit homosexual relationships."

Then you say: "Inclusion of homosexual LI's are due to pressure from reality."

Which is it? Your New Gay Overlords are confused at what you're thinking - but know that we care.

Gay overlords?

Fabulous

At least they will be well dressed and not smell bad.

[randallman]

Satyricon331 wrote...

And just how many of those cultural conservatives are going to dislike the game solely for its bisexual content, and not also for its graphic violence (okay, bad example), irreligiousness, use of dark magic, casual use of demons, or other things that would give my fundamentalist father a heart attack?  That percentage of the population, libertarian and permissive to anything except same-sex relationships, is very, very tiny indeed.  Meanwhile, the actual cultural conservatives will dislike it anyway.  Your argument is incoherent.

So you believe that it's impossible to have conservative ideals about marriage and sexuality to the point of being offended by it, yet enjoy a good fantasy RPG?

Have a look at the boards and threads like this which provide evidence to the contrary.

Anyway, this little battle between us was never the intent of my posting to the thread, so have a great one but you win

--Randall

[Satyricon331]

randallman wrote...
So you believe that it's impossible to have conservative ideals about marriage and sexuality to the point of being offended by it, yet enjoy a good fantasy RPG?

I never said such a thing; on the contrary, my post said there are conservatives whose only objection would be the occurrence of bisexuality.  I just siad they would occur at low rates.  Your interpretation of my post is as incoherent as your argument.

[Sen4lifE]

randallman wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...


Justice is the one thats gay, he's the one that was in a man in Awakenings afterall.  kidding.

honestly, i think it has a little bit to do with Bioware filling in the gay relationship demand. Overall, there isnt much choice in LIs, I kind of wish there were non companion LIs but alas only people who fight are the only ones worthy of love.

Firstly, Im no homophobe.  I've got friends who are openly gay, though none who are 'bi' that I am aware of.

Secondly, allow me to repeat this statistic again.  Exit polls in the 2008 US election indicated just over 4% of the US Population was openly gay.  If that number were double (adjusting for people who didn't want to admit it), it would be 8%.  Surely not a large enough % of the population to make half of the potential romantic encounters in a video game gay-centric.

Sorry, I'm not buying it...

--Randall

So what if all the gays played Dragon Age? xD

[Sen4lifE]

thegrimfandango wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

It's hard to not be gay in this game when there are icons next to what will be said that let you know if something is romantic or not?

Strange.

This. The icon is a big goddamn heart, you can just not pick it.

I do ask that people get back on topic as this has caused a bit of controversy over choosing to be gay, which is not as the original post stated.

And this quote above this post shows that not many people (though some) actually got the point.

It's not the "Don't press the heart or press the heart" issue.

It was dissappointment in their choice of options to the player.

When Zevran hit on you in DA:O, you basically could get creeped out, be homophobic and shun him, flirt with him, or tell him you don't roll that way, just want to be friends, don't care, etc.

In this scenario, and REPLAY this conversation if you must:

You have the option to tell Anders you do not want him having those feelings for you.  This gives Anders the impression that you are homophobic or that you are trying to control his emotions.  "Why is everybody always trying to control my feelings?!"  That is what angers him, it's not as simple as rejection.  That is quoted, maybe I did not get one word right there, and if so, rage if you will, but it is a considerably accurate quote.

Or, you can hit on him.

In most scenarios, even in DA2, you would get the option to flirt with him, break his heart or choose a FRIEND option, as with Fenris, Isabela, and Merril.  For example, when Fenris talks to you, you can choose to hit on him or tell him you're there for him because he's your friend.

Why was that option not present in this scenario? It was an oversight.  And it was dissapointing, because the game was giving you a very black and white decision: Be bisexual/homosexual or a homophobe.  There was no just accepting it or telling him you just want to be friends.  I dont' care if telling him you wanted to be friends got you a -5 or -15, it was not present, and that was a bit disappointing.

Please heed Chaos_1001's advice as I would not favor seeing this thread locked as it is considered game content feedback.  This thread can be somewhat controversial in content; however, please keep the conversation of this thread focused on feedback relating to this specific conversation or related companion conversation choices.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 23 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Monsteroids]

I think it's because Ander's character is very dichotomous and oversensitive. So if you tell him you don't want him to think of you that way, he flips out. It's good foreshadowing to show how obsessive, black 'n white and oversensitive he is. I really don't like Anders, so I don't care if he whines. His response was just stupid. Then again, most of what he does is stupid.

You saying you want to override a character's personality for your own convenience is kind of funny, why not rewrite the ending while you're at it?

Now that I think of it, that wouldn't be a bad idea actually.

[Sen4lifE]

Monsteroids wrote...

I think it's because Ander's character is very dichotomous and oversensitive. So if you tell him you don't want him to think of you that way, he flips out. It's good foreshadowing to show how obsessive, black 'n white and oversensitive he is. I really don't like Anders, so I don't care if he whines. His response was just stupid. Then again, most of what he does is stupid.

You saying you want to override a character's personality for your own convenience is kind of funny, why not rewrite the ending while you're at it?

Now that I think of it, that wouldn't be a bad idea actually.

You have a good point,  if that were the point to be made.  You are responding to my post as if I am complaining about Ander's reaction.  However, this thread wasn't created focused on Ander's reaction, it was focused on your choices of what you could say to him.